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This community is really funny.
The fact that everyone threw huge hate at BHVR for the NFT situation and literally a day after the game reaches a 66k peak players playing is just astonishing.
I really want to understand the reason behind the "I'm leaving, bye" posts to exist if you literally come back next day like nothing ever happened?
I was never a fan of this uninstalling trend, but I honestly love continuity. And that isn't a thing here it seems.
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Don't forget that forum posters are a small, small percentage of the game population. The great bulk of people playing the game couldn't care less about the forums or NFT that give out Hellraiser coupons or whatever.
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People talk a big game but when it comes time to back it up. Most fold.
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Well a ######### ton of people commented on twitter and youthbe videos, so I would say there were around 5000 people *publicly* upset. There might have as well many others.
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It was to be expected.
All this "We're leaving!" -dramatic cape wrap, nose in the air followed by door slam- talk was naturally forgotten when the new DLC dropped
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The forum population is just a small subset of the playerbase.
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But it wasn't just the forum, it was the twitter population too.
But Twitter population says a lot on its own.
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This. There are so many players, and this forum is the equivalent to the Isle of Man, whilst people not on this forum is the UK mainland. It may be vocal here, but the term "vocal minority" comes to mind.
BHVR may very well be able to survive this, but this should ring alarm bells for any deals they do in future.
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It's not overlooked. It just goes to prove BHVR specifically waited for yesterday to announce NFTs so people would quickly forget about them.
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I guarantee you the people who said they wont play aren't playing. using the drop of a new dlc to "disprove" them is so nieve, as a lot of players who dont hold an opinion will be playing the place of those who left. However, it's entirely possible once the excitement of a new dlc wear off, it'll be a down, down slope.
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Not really. The forums are a very small part of the games playerbase. Of course a lot of people are still gonna play.
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There won't be any slope due to the NFTs. 95% of the people upset already forgot.
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Facts
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5000 might be slightly high? The Reddit "Official ######### NFTs Megathread" on the Dead By Daylight subreddit has about 2.6k thumbs up, and odds are pretty good a significant number of people who liked that thread also commented or liked similar threads on Twitter or Youtube.
Either way, 5000 is a small percentage of the actual size of the total combined DbD playerbase. The game has something like 40-80k concurrent players per night, and many players don't play every single night so the actual number of players is probably a few hundred thousand.
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Addiction is hard to break.
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Addiction? Maybe a reason? or maybe a change of heart after been annoyed/unhappy? People say things when hurt or angry, people have right to be angry etc, but it's perhaps heat of the moment? maybe lets not judge too quick and some are full on true to their word.
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Forums are definitely a vocal minority.
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or maybe they've moved on because they realise it's probably a fruitless endeavour given the naivety of the community at large, combined with the ignorance of BHVR after this stunt. I've deleted the game and wont get it back unless BHVR retract their stance on NFTs, and you can say "oh you're not contributing anything, you're just a sheep and will accomplish nothing" It wont have anything bearing on my conscience that I'm supporting a company that clearly doesn't care about the environment, nor does it seem to care about the illicit activities associated with NFTs and blockchains. The continued ignorance of both the community and BHVR make it clear to most rational people it wont matter. So I'll take my piece of mind tyvm. However, if people continue to support the company that is promoting NFTs, I don't want to be a part of that. And I think maybe more of the playerbase should educate themselves.
Before I forget, since I got a little passionate and offtopic. While yes right now there is no downward slope, the current player count is much lower than other dlc drops. given other dlc's had peaks of 75k+ players on steam. Providing you consider the concurrent player count trend over the last 3 to 6 months, you'll see it is on the downward.
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Don't forget this is a survivor dlc, so that naturally brings less people (not trying to sound biased, but survivors are just skins and new skins arent that likely to bring in as many new players as new characters)
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have you seen the amount of people simping for the new survivor? I also wouldnt be surprised to know a majority of the community play survivor over killer. So it's not a stretch to say the numbers would be comparable to a killer release. Also take into consideration the praise BHVR received for the patch before the whole NFT situation. There was a lot of hype around this patch. You would expect the numbers to be a bit higher, no?
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I just watched a popular streamer post a YT video where they are ripping BHVR for this deal. Saying how BHVR wants to make a quick buck, and that they're done - but of course they will continue to stream DBD because it's how they make their money. 😂
In all seriousness, I respect anyone who actually protests and stops playing the game. Good on you for standing up for what you believe in. Any one else is just full of it.
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internet drama isn't real. it's quick, easy outrage. a type of dopamine high. it means nothing.
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unfortunately, some streamers despite their inclination have no option but to keep playing. Their livelihood quite literally depends on it. I'm sure some of the bigger names would like to otherwise try and boycott, but they just aren't in a position to do so.
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i'll say it again. most people aren't paying attention to the social media. we can pitch a fit for a million years and it won't matter.
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Eh. I don't give a ######### about the new DLC. Sill not coming back.
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Updating my screenshot from yesterday. It frustrates me to see the 100% gone, but not worth coming back to fix it with the current situation. Plus if I'm being honest I was playing more to complete arbitrary things at that point, rifts and P3-ing things. I'm having more fun with other games lately anyway so if I get to take a moral stand and take a nice long break from this game that may become permanent? Fine by me.
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To be fair, I doubt many people even know about the NFT situation. And even if they did, it has very little to do with anything other than Behavior signing awful contracts.
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The dishonesty of this take is hilarious.
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You're forgetting that many people don't hang out in the forums or Twitter, and DBD tends to peak once a new patch (such as this one) comes out.
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Maybe the majority of forum members doesn't even play the game, just posts comments on the forum.
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It is a bit of overhype.
For a more moderate approach basically I enjoy DBD and will probably keep playing it for as long as I do.
Its unfortunate that BHVR has decided to sign agreements that permit open use of content that may include NFT's which are just ######### terrible when it comes to how they are set up, unregulated, often scammy, exploitable and grossly energy hungry making NFT markets one giant financial, environmental and moral trash pile.
Looks like the agreement involving NFT's is associated with the hellraiser expansion so I'll probably not purchase it due to that. I'll voice my general displeasure on that and vote with my wallet and that's all people really can do. I don't think that's an unreasonable response.
Anything else is a just a grotesque overreaction, common for the internet and to be expected.
If BHVR continue to sign agreements that promote the use of NFT's as incentives to get ingame material then you wouldn't be overly dramatic to say well that's a shame I'm not gonna support this anymore because I don't think its a good thing.
Does continuing to play because of NFT's make you the devil?... no
Does boycotting because of NFT's make you the hero of the people?... no
There are far more exploitative and destructive things in this world to be angry about. If folk were truly "making their stand" then this is the smallest weakest stand you could possibly make. Also its largely meaningless because you can just go back on your outrage and play anyway.
Its kind of like signing a facebook petition against something, its completely meaningless but it makes people feel like they contributed so they don't have to feel bad about living comfortably while burning fossil fuel that week.
Online outrage is the wet noodle of dissent and most companies know this.
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There's a whole lot of Internet Tough-Guys on here.
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182 out of 185 achievement. Come on man, you have 3 achievements to finish this out...
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So im going to bookmark this thread but im guessing that 3 months from now (next midchapter) the average player count will be spiking at only mid 50k and hitting its valleys at low 40k. this game is bleeding players since its highs of 105k back in June. dont act like 66k is something big when only a few months ago we had close to double that number
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The only funny thing is you thinking us up in arms here is enough to tank numbers on our own.....but you already knew that and still wanted your "ah-ha, gotcha" here.
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the difference between this and other problems with the world is that, this is something the community may actually have the ability to influence. The community if they try may be able to make BHVR realise "ayo, we ######### up"
It isn't that easy in our day to day lives. As large corporations are so wealthy and powerful that the average consumer has absolutely no power over them. The only thing we as consumers can do is vote out the people in power who allow big corporations to continue their unsustainable ways.
You should also consider we as a species don't have an option but to use fossil fuels for a lot of our daily indulgences. As there haven't been any green energy alternatives implemented. So saying ######### like "you use cars and consume electricity" is so incredibly nieve as most people don't have ability to change their lifestyle to a way that conforms with their beliefs.
Another factor is the insignificance of the average consumers contribution to global warming. The whole "doing your part" ploy is merely big corporations trying to point the finger at us, and make consumers feel like they're the ones at fault, redirecting the blame from themselves. If you, as a consumer for the rest of your life were to reduce your carbon emissions to 0, for the rest of your entire life, you would save the environment one whole second worth of emissions compared to the emissions of big industry.
The argument "you should do your part" or calling people hypocrites is far from the truth. The video I linked sums up the issues with global warming very well. And I implore you to watch it. Any way back to topic. The idea that people are "grotesquely overreacting" is a horrible mindset, given the passion people are showing could be put to pressuring BHVR to retract themselves from this whole agreement. BHVR isn't big enough to shrug off the business they could lose providing the community were able to band together.
The collective viewership of content creators, forum users and social media users, along with the people who catch wind of this through news outlets such as IGN and I'm sure Jim Sterling will easily have enough influence providing they care enough to make a statement against BHVR and actually pull through with the boycott.
I for one have deleted the game, do I expect my contribution to actually help in making BHVR stop their support of NFTs? No. Is it a piece of mind that will help me sleep at night? Yes. Another big issue with this scandal is that BHVR not only came out in support of NFTs, but also mislead and deceived the very same community defending them. They omitted very important information from both staff and consumers which would have dramatically decreased their sales of the Hellraiser chapter. That is not a company I want to show any support for, either by giving them money, or by playing their game.
I wish more people would realise this and come together as a community.
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those were the ones added today, I am content knowing I had and maintained 100% for a long time.
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OP can't actually demonstrate that a significant portion of the people who said they'd quit went back on it. Nothing to see here.
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The June peak was an all time peak that went away as quick as it came. Of course a lot of people played: RE, 5yrs bringing a lot of not playing players back, cakes etc.
But still, considering the usual play rate, 66k is a pretty huge number considering the "I'm uninstalling" rage.
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Same. While I personally won't protest I always had a huge respect for people who stand for what they believe in.
Even if we disagree.
People who break promises and can't keep their word are people I don't place much trust in life. I am sorry if I offended anyone it is just that I don't trust folks like that.
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You asking for an explaination to cancel culture
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Imagine trying to use a 66k player peak as an argument. New release. The peak last month, with NO new release was over 70k
The peak with RE chapter was over 100k.
Stop pretending like they aren't losing players hand over fist
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I can use it as an argument, because it is still much higher than the regular daily peak these days.
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People do this with every game, the same people who hate on the Sims and say Paralives is better, they are still playing Sims and tweeting about it and spending money on the game that they claim to hate.
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How do you know those people who posted that they were leaving are part of that current peak? It's incredibly silly to assume that, no? Unless you have something that literally tells you that said person who posted thread that they were uninstalling and leaving the game is currently playing.
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Only 66k? Look steam charts game is loosing players. Few months ago it was 100K, week ago it was 81K and now u say it's 66K. And it's only steam. I don't know about other platforms.
So yes, people are leaving.
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And that's why I never make such a claim or stop using a product due to its producers.
I know at some point I'll need the product and I also love continuity. If I claim I'll stop doing something, I will.
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Whether it's on the forums, youtube or twitter, the people voicing their opinion on this are probably still the minority of the playerbase. There are probably indeed players that just say they'll quit DBD and not go through with it, but I wouldn't generalize this to the overall population of people hating on BVHR right now.
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A few family members, neighbors and friends dont want to go to a concert. Wonder why concert still have a lot of people coming.
You get the idea?
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The people who are writing something like that are a minority. Most people do not know about NFTs or problems like that and other know but made up their mind about this.
Even if you consider this than we have to admit that the new patch is pretty good. BHVR listend to the community with this one and made some highly demanded nerfs/buffs. Spirit, Deathslinger and Wraith nerfs where very popular demands even here on the forum. Ghostface and most important of all Trapper buffs where also very good.
Finaly the new survivor is content that can be bought with Shards. This means that it is very accessible to all kind of player and bordering on free to play. Her design is nice and her perks are pretty cool too. So many people get drawn to this mid-chapter that offers a breath of fresh air.
And even people who are aware of the NFTs situation maybe decide that it is not that bad. Other companies they use every day (twitter as an example) have made NFTs themself and not even over a third party like BHVR. Also when you consider that most of the new content is free for all player: Why stop playing the game? You are not giving any more money to BHVR just by playing, in fact you probably cost them money because you use their server capacities.
Funny enough the low point was also during the same month: June 2021 had 48,768.5 player average and 105,052 player peak.
Now if you consider the average then everthing looks pretty much normal: From October 2020 to April 2021 these numbers where well below 40.000 players. After that we saw an increase with a peak in July 2021 (62,487.7) but still 51,390.7 in September. Considering that this number was again below 40.000 player you see that over all the game move upwards. Even now the 30 day avarage is 44,771.4 which is still a good increase.
Overall yes, we are loosing some player who came for Resident Evil. But we got plenty of new player right now.
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Playing supports the game. Every player is part of the product being sold. If the player count drops below critical mass, the game dies.
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