as long as MMR is a crap + or - 1 for kills/escapes, the games balance will suffer

no kidding, as i type this i am sitting in the end screen of another sandbag match where a survivor from the 10th game decided to body block me into a room with a hillbilly, needless to say i disconnected and left them to their bully match.

and the great thing is this will in turn "reward" me by dropping me lower where im again in even more matches that i do most of the gens and still get bent over and abused

i dunno, its been what, 4 years of this crap? and SWF is still the dominant playstyle while solo survivor is bottom of the barrel, singular players dont all play just killer after all and they make up the space fillers for 3man teams or killer roles.

if the solo player isnt respected enough to be able to get fairer and less cancerous games why should they stick around?

at least single player games can offer a challenge that doesnt bend you over and whip you as it demands to win 4 other players games for them while it has you tied up

aye but currently you are only scored on if you live or die.

face camped a the start of the game by bubba? -1 mmr for you +1 for the killer

tunneled out because idiots dont bring borrowed vs a face camped? -1 point for you!

decided to go insidius pinky finger clown and remove one player from the game by insta down camping in a corner? +1 for you and a forced -1 for that guy as they lose any fun they could have had.

the system is broken atm and ENCOURAGES toxic plays

i WANT to go to higher rank games because i like both the challenge and ACTUAL teammates.

this is the argument, lower MMR means baddies more often, baddies more often means more losses, its a cicle that feeds itself Ouroboros style.

the system i would introduce would be focused around pips like the old system but more tuned.

instead of escape/kill = +1, i'd change it to 2red emblems = win, 3 golds = win, 4 silvers = win, anything else being a loss, that way everyone has to do their part survivor side to score up emblems while killer has to focus on "draining hope" over kills (after all, this is the entities whole reason for hosting these games), kills ofc still rewarding a decent point amount but if the killer can get 4 red emblems and no kills i'd still consider that a win even at higher ranks because it aint easy to do such a thing.

red emblems means folks got to play the game good or bad, at least its not a face camp.

the killer gains points for hook progress rather than stages and a small boost when a stage progresses.

face camping for a full hook stage should transport the hooked survivor to the furthest hook from the survivor to discourage cheese killing, forcing the killer to adapt and giving said player a chance to actually play the game.

survivors near the hooked survivor while the killer is if remaining when the hooked survivor is transported will be exposed as punishment for not doing gens/pressuring the killer to want to leave the hook and giving the hooked survivor a chance to play (due to the force face camp)

in the event a face camp happens and the survivor is transported, the killer loses point progress towards hunting, if the transported survivor was transported because of other nearby survivors forcing the killer to protect his hook, the survivors (not the hooked survivor) lose progress towards aultruism instead and any points lost by killer or survivors will be given to the player who was on the hook when transported, giving them a chance to gain emblem progress.

healing yourself with a medkit grants no points, but healing other survivors grants double, give self care a point modifier that allows the survivor who heals themselves with a medkit 50% of the points (current heal self points)

Kindred and Small game current effect will be made baseline for solo survivors (no parties) and the perks reworked;

Kindred = walking within 16y of a survivor allows you to see their aura (up to 80y) or 10/20/30seconds, any perks or items(maps, keys, etc) that reveal survivor auras (besides Kindred) will refresh this buff

Small game = hex totems give off a weak humming sound and take an additional 3/2/1 seconds to cleanse, cleansing a hex totem if the hex is a trap (haunting grounds, retribution, etc) the debuff duration is 50% shorter for you.

and now with current kindred and small game being baseline/SWF(comms), we can balance ALL killers around the fact communications is built in and might actually see balance being more achievable.

i fart up the idea in 5 minutes, i never said it was the best system ever, im just saying a system that is just a simple binary in an ASYMETRICAL GAME that is designed to be uneven is just a recipe for failure.

could easily tweak values, increase certain killers scorings yadda yadda, point is kills/escapes is a horrible system and shows that these "YeArS oF rEfInInG" their "system" only to give us one of the most simple ladder systems ever made thats built on THE 1v1 games of freaking chess in a game that is 4v1. its lunacy to say the least thinking that was somehow a good idea.

a prime example of how bad such a system is, i just loaded up my first game as blight, literally bought him 15minutes ago, got a brutal killer with one red emblem in chases, with one perk, and what was my competition as a brand new killer?

4 deadhards, 3 borrowed times, 3 Lithes and 2 adrenalines and 3 medkits with healing syringes followed by a nice fat "EZ"

like no ######### it was ez, i was a brand spanking new killer out of the box literally bouncing around practicing the rush power, i even tried to signal i wasnt even interested in winning by swinging at totems and they just rushed the game, teabagged and left thinking they somehow earned the game.

under my system i would have lost sure, one red emblem isnt much to brag about but its a stepping stone of learning and its gauging of where i need to improve, my ability to chase wasnt an issue because i got a red while my gen pressure and hooking was non-existant and the emblems told me this is where i failed so as a system told me where i needed to improve and failed me for not doing said scorings.

under the current system a brand new killer was crapped all over, teabagged then told "EZ" while offering nothing but a big fat "you suck" from the other team in the form of a match that lasted a whopping 7 minutes with 3 health states damaged all 3 being syringe healed and essentially "4 losses" because 4 escapes = 4 losses, while each individual survivor only gained 1 point, meaning they can do this crap for weeks and drag a ton of mid level to low level killer players down hard in ranks pushing them into newer survivor players playing field.

if i was some nurse god (im an average nemesis,demo and pinhead enjoyer) tried blight with all that knowledge but needing to practice my abilitiy, losing 5 games is going to knock me down 20 pegs, now if i lose 10 games i'll be down 40 points, thats 40 wins required for a survivor to plow through to get up higher, now imagine i "git gud" as blight with my nurse knowledge of the game, im now going to stomp upward of 20 games of lower bracket players games because i'v adjusted to the killer but have higher end games experience, then im back to "0" and im now in a position to wreck 40-70 more survivor games till im in my intended bracket.

see how bad that system is now?

40 killer games stomps means 160 survivors were taken down 1 peg, meaning they didnt get affected much while i spike up and cause 4 kills every game, thats not a good system thats an abysmal system that punishes other people due to me being way below my class.

likewise the survivor side if i am way below my skill bracket i have to win 160 games to achieve the same sort of spike that the killer needed to, unless im some sort of survivor god that is undefeatable and psychic, i aint getting that power shift anytime soon.

i was making an example not a statement, lets make an extreme example.

new player starts getting cheap 4 k's every game as... i dunno lets say huntress.

guy ends up in the "high" mmr due to stupidly high kill rate, hasnt learned how to pressure gens, map control etc, he's just been relying on NOED, Iri and camping while all the survivors victimized by said insta down focused are losing to this guy's cheap wins.

now he decides to pick one of the lesser killers to play, he buys... myers!

due to his base mmr he is going to get crapped on over, and over, and over, and over, till he loses all that mmr and more, but with all those losses he's saved up enough for tombstones and such, he is now in a lower mmr bracket with an insta kill setup again, still hasnt learned map pressure, etc. so all those losses he handed the survivors free wins where they may not have gotten much points but they got an escape and escape = win

so you now have a case of many survivors getting occasional wins due to low-average killer not knowing how to play while a bad killer has got setup to stomp easier survivors.

survivors climb especially solo, is insanely steep due to lack of communications, survivors can snowball a game by playing bad and bleeding over teamamtes, etc so the survivors dragged down are dragged further due to either cheap killer tactics or bad survivor plays snowballing onto them.

in my case i get 3 gens done, thats 50% of the game done, 2 more gens and gate till i "win" because i need to escape to win, but oh no! i'v been downed, but dont worry i can hopefully rely on my teamates to make a good play and pull me out... oh they are all hiding... oh im being face camped...

another loss because of said snowballing low mmr.

does this seem fair now? does the system sound like its working?

if this was chess or an RTS a + or -1 system would work flawlessly the same way its worked for chess for many many years.

but this isnt a 1v1, its a 4v1, but the system treats it as a 1v1v1v1v1