Plague and doctor shouldn't exist

hee <3

somehow? yes

though i might have actually caused some of those forum posts when i showed people what it's like when doctor can always find you via blast --> you pre-emptively shift w and make them take ages to catch up and then begin to try to loop them and work your health states to more shift w --> actually i have 5-stack devour and you're dead if i touch you, and i get really on point with my shock denials when i'm hyperactive

my bad

Plague's vom distance isn't that far - certainly nothing on all the other ranged killers - and she can't damage you unless she's walked to a corrupt fountain, taken it, and entered a chase quickly thereafter. Her ability to use her power is largely controlled by survivors and their choices in the match, and it's easy to waste precious time. Oh, when she finds a cluster of people and snowballs, she snowballs hard, but I main her and trust me, Corrupt Purge isn't without its counters. Besides the obvious Dead Hard, you want to waste as much of her time as possible by running around corners and high wall structures. She can't shoot through solid objects and only an absolute god-tier Plague will be able to snipe you from over them. Consider that she slows down a little while she's charging her power and that usually gives you an edge to keep the chase running longer. Combined with the relatively slow speed of her projectiles, even if the Plague has timed it right so that she starts shooting as soon as she's turned the corner behind you, you'll have time to turn again without getting hit in many structures. You can also make use of mid-height structures by stopping to briefly crouch whenever she releases. Just don't be dumb and wait to drop a pallet or run out into the open. Even if she does down you with Corrupt Purge - if she only gets one down out of her 60-second run, that's really not a bad thing for your team. She only has as many of these as you give her plus one and she had way more potential to cause havoc on the team than she got out of it, given that Corrupt Purge's multitargeting is its biggest strength - so that's what you want to do, get her to chase one person and make it last.

She's moderately map dependent when it comes to Corrupt Purge, too; open outdoor maps like Coldwind or Shelter Woods are great for her, but indoors like the Game, RCPD, or Hawkins are built-in counters when you can just keep turning corners for days.

Doc's static blast is a strong survivor locating tool, but it can only be used once per minute and maps are often large or irregularly shaped - if you use it and get no pings, you're set back. And when you use it and get multiple pings... Doctor isn't a killer who can actually pressure multiple survivors at once. Scatter and he'll pick a target. The shock ability is a strong anti-looping tool when it works, but needs to be timed precisely to prevent survivors from vaulting and requires the Doctor to zap the location the survivor's going to be in about a second before the vault. Try to be unpredictable and throw pallets early to block the Doctor before he can zap you (as long as it's not a short loop pallet that the Doc can easily walk around; obviously you want to get some delay out of the pallet.) And don't expect a hiding strategy to work against a killer who can locate you; be ready to be chased and prepare your escape routes in advance. If you're really dead set on hiding, keep moving when his terror radius arrives or go into a locker. Lockers aren't a bad idea when the TR approaches and you know the Doctor isn't chasing anyone/hasn't static blasted in the past minute.

Doc in particular has a reputation as a noob stomper; low-level teams get obliterated by his toolkit because they tend to be poor in chases and reliant on stealth, but in high MMR, where everyone knows how to loop, he's very mediocre - which is interesting for a killer that has anti-loop abilities, but what can be inferred from that is that other killers have more effective anti-loop games and are better at denying survivors their tools, so to speak. I'd also say that his zappy window denial is harder to use than it looks and the timing is counterintuitive, but high-level players have mastered that and it's a non-factor when it comes to his viability compared to other killers.

Plus I don't really consider Doctor's static blast that much of an upgrade from meta killer detection perks, which you'll be facing every match anyway. Okay, so the Doctor can find survivors in his TR. It's really good, don't get me wrong, but when does he use this? Apart from the start of the game, it's once he's wrapped up a chase and needs a new target. BBQ and Thrilling Tremors give the same type of information at the same time on a larger radius. Or if you use it when you get bamboozled and lose the survivor mid-chase, I'm All Ears covers the same thing. And I had a Doctor game tonight where I basically forgot to use Static Blast because I was getting so much Nurse's Calling value I never needed to. (Levelling up Doc, lack optimal perk selection.) The point is, a killer being able to find survivors with extremely little counterplay is nothing new under the sun.

TL;DR, different types of killers require different playstyles to handle and these two have fair counterplay. Not so sure about your 'major complaints, not even my opinions', because most of the community I've been exposed to barely cares about those two killers and considers them to be solidly middle-of-the-road.

You had me there for a minute but obviously bait.

Plague is fine. She doesn't even get Corrupt purge, but one time, if nobody cleanses. Doc gets screwed by latency a lot, even with discipline add ons. Another problem with Doc, is people thinking impossible skill check build is actually good. He also loses bloodlust when using Shock Therapy. Which prevents you from doing window vaults, or dropping pallets for a whole 2.5 seconds. He attacks on the right side, dodge left. Neither killer is an issue.

Excuse me leave my vommy mommy alone

Well... as a Plague lover nothing is more frustrating in her matches than when survivors deny me my corrupt purge all my easy downs are impossible. But yes let's tell the survivors cleansing is the right move so my matches as her can feel less like pulling teeth XD

Anyone who says EZ loses my respect instantly...

You've never played Plague. It shows.

Maybe I'm doing plague wrong but my matches go a lot more smoothly when they cleanse and constantly give me corrupt purge, when they don't sure they're easier to find but my ranged ability is essentially gone so those chases I do get into go on for and obscenely longer time than they should coz I'm forced into M1 chases

made me giggle

Static Blast has a 60 second cooldown. You can't spam it, it only hits survivors in your terror radius, and it shows a massive vision blocking silhouette where that survivor was when they screamed, so unless you're right next to them they could still be long gone by the time you get there.

If you're trying to stealth against a Doctor, get out of his terror radius.

That's literally how his power works. Survivors within your terror radius scream.

You were in his terror radius.

Or you were in Madness III and you were screaming automatically. You need to break out of Madness III.