Why It Is Distressing to Play The GhostFace After Recent Patch.
Greetings Community and Designing Team,
I am an international collage student who likes playing Dead by Daylight. In the game, I play both killers and survivors. In case it may be pointed out to be very subjective and narrow, I have attached my play time and proofs of reaching red ranks on both killer and survivor sides below. I main The GhostFace and reached red ranks with The GhostFace before our new rank systems.
Before stating anything, I would like to let you kind fellows know that I love this game as much as everyone does. It helped me get through some difficult stages during my life including the pandemic which separated me and my family for 2 years. I, myself, is a huge horror fan. I love Scream. I watched every Scream movie. Though I know in Dead by Daylight, The GhostFace does not come from Scream, it is some core elements that every GhostFace shares that makes us love this killer.
After patch 5.3.0, GhostFace's ability night shroud have been adjusted. The reason I say adjusted because it is controversial. Some considers it to be an upgrade as the design team has said:
I personally think it is a minor nerf and a yield to fail making The GhostFace unique.
- Chewed Pen + Olsen's Address Book. Know as the cd build which decreases night shroud from 30s to 16s.
However, after the patch, when one goes with cd build, it even adds one more second to night shroud:
- Chewed Pen(-4s) + Olsen's Address Book(-3s). 24s - 4s - 3s = 17s.
What I am trying to say is think about why people rarely uses other addons. It is not because of the numbers. It is due to the core game play which GhostFace lacks of. Before the patch, one hardly utilized stalking since it was very distressing when survivors canceled your night shroud.
What I ask and demand is a remake of The GhostFace's core game play. Some possible suggestions:
- Delete stalking. It is so much alike to The Shape and it is distressing to play with.
- Keep night shroud since it is what one immediately thinks about when you mention GhostFace, which also fits the killer's characteristics in the movie.
- Make night shroud less powerful than damaging one full health state, which is to say GhostFace has to damage survivors multiple times during night shroud. This should balance the undetectable status of night shroud. Remember, in the movies, GhostFace cut victims multiple times before finally ends victims' lives.
- Keep or delete the crotch. It is considered cute but has very little usage with current addons. Another way of saying this is, if you are keeping this ability, make it powerful enough to compete with other builds.
- Do something with the phone calling as it is one of the classic tricks GhostFace does in every Scream movies. It is what makes GhostFace.
I am not going to and not capable to developing a brand new play style. But, I look forward to see futures changes of The GhostFace.
Sincerely,
A Loyal Dead by Daylight Player.
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"I personally think it is a minor nerf and a yield to fail making The GhostFace unique."
It was nerf to add-ons, buff to base-kit, which I like. So such changes are always welcome.
Yeah, I am not gonna even bother talking about your other changes in dept. Just no
"I am not going to and not capable to developing a brand new play style."
Yeah, then don't try. You only said to remove, or nerf everything he has and that you bascially want new killer instead, but you are not good enough to come up with ideas.
Maybe let killer reworks to killer mains that uderstand that killer and know what needs to be actually changed. There is no ghostface main on this planet, that would want to remove crouch. BHVR should never even dare to remove crouch. That would kill him. I want to teabag those survivors back!
Stalking fits to him, it works differently than The Shape.
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They could make Night Shroud a 15s cooldown as base kit and he'd still be a mediocre killer.
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Well written post! I think I understand where you are coming from emotionally. It used to be that you could get his cooldown super low with the correct addons. But we're talking about a 1 second difference now. Is it really that bad when you can now get a much lower cooldown without using those addons, and play a different style? I'm guessing the devs don't want ghost face players to JUST use the cooldown addons, but experiment with others.
If ghost face is absolutely reliant on his cooldown, then I would say that's a problem with his kit, or that other addons need to be buffed.
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Thanks friend. I think your comment is friendly and rational. My point is very similar to yours. I don't want to rely on night shroud and so should not others. However, other options are not so viable or are less competitive. That is why I demand a rework. Delete stalking, make night shroud more frequently able to use and nerf night shroud's lethality.
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I totally agree with you. There lies the problem of GhostFace's core game play. Stalking is distressing and needs to be deleted.
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Please don't delete the crotch.
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lol, same, I think it is very cute.
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Honestly I like his play style a lot, I like sneaking up on survivors and stalking them. The problem is his base cooldown on Night Shroud is still too high and his add-ons are garbage, they don't need a numbers tweak but a complete rework.
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That is true, night shroud is a cool ability, however the cd got nerf. And I personally do not prefer stalking. I like jump-scaring survivors with night shroud. And as you said, his core gameplay is night shroud which should remain if it ever got reworked.
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I mean if you like to just hit people out of stealth then Wraith is a better choice, he's essentially stronger than Ghostface right now in almost every respect. Stalking should be a a defining gameplay element for Ghostface, but he needs better 1v4 to offset the time it needs to sneak up and stalk someone. Like downing a marked survivor should make every generator being worked on explode and regress for some amount.
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Exactly! That is what I have in mind. But unfortunately, the current state of GhostFace makes stalking very distressing. A rework on stalking is needed. It really hurts me when survivors just run into me, voluntarily get hit to cancel me night shroud.
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Exactly, that is what I have in mind! Stalking build right now stresses people since survivors can simply counter it by running to GhostFace, voluntarily get a hit and cancel GhostFace's night shroud, which puts stalking into a very awkward situation. I agree with you that sneaking up is a core element of GhostFace and there needs to be a better way to bring it to our game!
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Ghostface has always seemed like such a weird one to me... like who the hell thought his power deserved a 30 second cooldown? It's really just 30 seconds of not being able to use your power because reasons.
Blight is a much more powerful killer and his cooldown is 10 seconds at most.
Granted Blight takes more mechanical skill and map knowledge than ghostface, but Ghostface requires a pretty significant amount of strategy and map knowledge for a power that doesn't help him in chase or against W. His natural cooldown could honestly be 20 seconds at most and it wouldn't be be OP.
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Yeah, lower CD and rework add-ons, then I will happily teabag survivors.
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That is an excellent example you gave on GhostFace and Blight. It is true that GhostFace's core play style is missing since stalking is never appreciated and with very little return. Players are forced to play cd build. On the other hand, the Blight has very unique powers. It is unlike the Hillbilly who instantly puts survivor into dying states. Blight's power is much more fun. This is what GhostFace needs, a rework.
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I dunno if Ghostface needs a rework really. I think the idea behind him is cool and it fits a role that some people may really enjoy. I prefer the fast pace crazy gameplay Blight has.
Ghostface has that sneak/stalk playstyle that needs to be a lot more strategic. Some people love that. The problem is that he is too inefficient with time because his power barely helps him with chase, he has no tools at all against W and on top of that he has the massive cooldown.
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Well, I have to disagree here.
I for one enjoy the stalking and think it fits the Ghostface of DbD better. The stabby-stabby hunting with multiple hits and gutting opponents like a fish even if they are not tied to a plasitc chair is more of a Legion think too me. I like the story of DbD Ghostface and that he is a more professional Killer than the teens in the movies. He thrives on his own "glory" gathered by newspapers and is kind of like a reverse-spiderman. This has a great appeal to me as he is a truely scary criminal. As such I greatly anticipate "Scream 2022" where Ghostface will probably be more professional and more of a stalker.
Now I agree that he could use some changes. I made some suggestion on how to change his add-ons for this reason in order to make him a bit more different from Myers who is all about front up stalking. Ghostface could in my opinion gain a lot more "personality" by adding different ways how he can stalk a survivor to his kit.
If you want, have a look: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/290011/ghostface-add-on-suggestion#latest
The idea is that Myers is about direct stalking and having a limited rescource. Then he goes balistic and insta downs the opponents during his "killing spree". Ghostface is much more professional, accumulation information over time and from far away, taking photos, making sketches, drawing up routins until he finaly has a way to approach his victim for a certain, perfectly assemblet kill. He eliminates them one by one, not going on a "killing spree" but rather having a cooldown between his murders.
I think your rework would eliminate the Killer I enjoy and the fantasy he is supposed to work on.
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Personally, what triggers me is :
Why is Charlotte's Victor respawn cooldown only 13 seconds, where the basekit GhostFace cooldown is freaking 24 seconds.
I mean, the power of Charlotte gives her map control, mobility, pressure, massive snowball potential (I mean, you HAVE to heal as a survivor, you must heal or you'll be crushed in a matter of seconds), and if the survivors played well (or Charlotte played bad), she just has to wait 13 seconds.
But Night Shroud, that only gives stealth and maybe a potential down..... 24s ? It makes no sense. It has to be 18s basekit at least and he requires an entire add-on pass.
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