the community is entitled and i think is unfixable, cause most dont want to fix it (big post).
so, i will just say mi opinion about this topic, brace yourselves will be a big post.
it will be my hot take about it.
so why do i think there is nothing to do to change it?,
i think is due a major desease without any cure (realistic one at this point). even if they properly balance the game (and actually to a semi comp or comp game even) that wouldnt fix a thing people will complain that the game is harder to play now and most likely you would need to play in coms to actually stand a chance, wich could make it so now for solos they would need to add proximity chat or general chat or whatever... also the killer would be way stronger and solos would suffer even more than they already do, unless as i said they added chat (voice) and make it insanely balanced with maps, RNG, tiles and many other things....wich wouldnt fix anything anyway, why?.
after almost 4k hours in this game, (but you dont need that many to get it) people especially survs enjoy the game in its actual state where is easy or pretty much easy, unless you go against THOSE 3 especific killers, in that case the games starts to get harder, and they dont like that they always hate going agaainst them (most of them do, just cause a few enjoy going agaisnt really good nurses spirit and blights doesnt mean most do, they are a minority and some other good killers with extremely good 1 v 1)
if the game gets balanced then the killer would be also ahead (for a big margin) of solo players cause they will make killers stronger for sure, so that would hurt the game badly (unless as i said the game got balanced for solo survivors wich would make SWF way stronger even if they apply debuffs to them, and we all know that, and the things like giving them an early big debuff or add another gen to do and that stuff would be so unfun that i dont think makes sense) so basically everyone should play with friends or as i said a chat should be added, but survivors dont want that and i dont think killers want that either, survivors for the most part just want to win quickly (at least when they realize about the importance of being efficient and how much that affects the game) and some others like to get chased (only if they are in complete control, like almost against all killers) so basically survs for the most part just want to chill and sometimes try hard and annoy the killer if possible; when they start understanding the game, and since there is not penalization (now) they DC when it gets a little bit hard or things dont go their way... and i see DCS consistently now, almost every game when i play solo.
summary (they want to chill or get a little bit more serious if neccesary or just wants to, but always while being ahead of the killer and in control of the game, even if they dont admit it) and even smaller summary, Win without having to make a real big effort... dont know how that happened, i dont know if its BHVR fault or what have they done wrong, or if maybe is just the community... potentially related to being a "comp" game, not really comp but 2 sides competing to win? dont think so, not every game while being competitive or having 2 sides to compete have this toxic behaviour.... its not about being competitive and win, people dont want to accept when they get outplayed and stuff, in wich games you see that many people dcing in other games when they get outplayed?...there is something more.... again not a real comp game and as i said peple wouldnt want the game to be comp (balanced for that)
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then we have the killers, what they want is to play more casually most games, and they dodge when they see a potential threat (camon, u did it many times! dont lie to yourself) and especially would want to get RID of MMR cause now they cant dodge, and even if u do dodge you will just for the most part get paired with another good team if your MMR is high, and most likely will becuase i bet you try to win most of your games wich of course will lead u to higher MMR...
MMR is what most killers are complaining about, is not like they dont like challenges, they do and i do, but you dont want to get to the point where you have to sweat your balls that hard for the most part... especially since there is not real reward and this game has so many shenanigans wich can get u annoyed, so many things you need to think about Perks, RNG, tiles and conections it can be stressing when u see survivors who actually know how to use them properly, lets be honest most killer would like just seeing survivors making mistakes and chill more... but especially because its 4 minds against 1, it can be stressing and sometimes infuriating... maybe its related to that? the 4 v 1 thing? and the fact taht people take this game so seriously even when is not a proper comp game?.
Summary as survivors they also want to chill and get for the most part easy games or maybe having to sweat a little bit more but winning as many times as possible in the process.
Big summary??? the community is entitled, little empathy for the other side for the most part, (Basically they just think for themselves even if they say the opposite) hypocritical aswell because of it, so i dont think there is much to do to fix it, IMO is something about this especific game, even if u make a new one i think is related to this especific genre that is so unique and uncomparable with other games... maybe if we see prop night, VHS or others succeed (and without much toxicity), we may understand why, or maybe will just be the same again cause its something related to this type of games...
thats my hot take about the community, thanks for the ones who made it this far, very much appreciated if u did..
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The problem is almost impossible to fix.
For most of DbD's history, the developers have been openly and notoriously survivor sided (just look at the flashlight stun fiasco, and how hard they defended it, the recent interview where they said 'well, if you aren't having fun just stop playing' to killer mains, or them sneakily disabling killer matchmaking protections simply because red-rank survivors had longish queue times for matches).
While they are better now, they've set up a nasty little feedback loop where every survivor expects to escape every match, and will launch a tidal wave of QQ whenever they don't.
Killers are expected to abide by some sort of 'code of conduct' - no slugging, no camping, no strong addons etc - and BHVR seem to agree, which is why the camping penalty was introduced, and whatever abomination their new 'anti camping' system is going to be. Survivors aren't, however.
At this point, BHVR needs to make up their mind. They either need to straight up tell killers that they should realistically expect 1 or 2 kills a match maximum (and probably buff BP gain substantially) or substantially rework their game to make the killer role more accessible. Maps like RPD, Haddonfield and Badham need substantial alterations and fixes (why the hell are infinite loops still a thing?). About 2/3 of killer perks need a buff, and about half the killer roster needs some Billy or prenerf Wraith level love.
However, I'm not optimistic.
Boons are the best recent example. Forget numbers balancing and aura stacking, they simply do not work in DbD mechanically.
It also boggles my mind how BHVR changed the validation of Dead Hard (which was already crazily strong and meta), making it even stronger, while stuff like Doctor shock validation has never and likely will never be fixed.
But survivors outnumber killers, which means they are a bigger revenue stream. I guess killers just have to accept that, for the foreseeable future, they are second class citizens.
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It will continue because both sides have people who will generalize the opposition as inherently evil the minute they pick the opposing side to play and insist on nuclear options to things they don't like instead of reasonable changes that are fair for both sides.
This will never stop, because its easy to say a whole side is a bunch of buttholes and take offence at everything new that gets implemented in the game.
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BHVR is lazy lmao bottom text
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i mean of course that is easier to say the other side is a bunch of ass.... but i dont think thats the main core issue. i was trying to get a little more deeper than that.
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I think the best way to get over it is to play both sides. I do because I'm not going to buy and then play only 50% of a game. It's easier to sort out which complaints are bs and which are valid.
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It was a simplified version of what you already stated, my apologies if the message was lost. But the biggest issue IS the lack of empathy. Reasonable arguments are ignored in favour of explaining everything away with childish reasoning or just flat out insults. A lot of people do not play both sides, or at least don't play one as much as the other.
Every survivor Opinion is shoved aside because survivor is the 'easy role' or devs are 'survivor sided'
Every Killer Opinion is disregarded because Killers 'Are crybabies who want auto 4k's' or the devs are 'killer sided'
Everyone is far too busy either blaming each other or insulting each other like its an extension of the game, to ever come to any form of compromise, because 'compromise is weakness'
Balance suggestions are taken to the extremes because half the forums (from both sides) have developed a victim complex, so instead of coming up with ideas that would work fairly for both sides, it becomes a game of 'how do I get mine and screw the other side over' or 'I want what I want regardless of how the other side suffers'
I honestly think a large part of the divide is the way the game is itself. It is ALWAYS going to seem unfair to be the one in a 4 v's 1 game. You are isolated, all the killer mistakes are your own and when you DO get immature bullies, all of it is focused on YOU. It's hard to come up with a solution at that point, because how do you change the dynamic without completely overhauling the game.
If we can't stop classing everything as unfair, toxic or proof of dev allegiance, balance will never be possible and all we get is band aids, over bandaids over old issues that were never properly solved.
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