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Tunneling

Why so much tunneling?

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  • XxAtomicAlfiexX
    XxAtomicAlfiexX Member Posts: 395

    because if someone is going to unhooked in front of or near me i might as well go for it. its like saying who would you chase, the no mither who is a one shot down or the other guy who still has 2 hits left. the faster i can kill off a survivor the easier the game gets for me and the harder the game gets for the survivors its a win win scenario. i dont tunnel very often btw, i can just defend it.

  • SnakeSound222
    SnakeSound222 Member Posts: 4,467
    edited December 2018

    Because it's common sense a lot of the time. Why would I go after a Survivor who's at full health over one that's injured?

  • Mister_Holdout
    Mister_Holdout Member Posts: 3,144

    Tunneling means the killer really likes you.

  • TrueKn1ghtmar3
    TrueKn1ghtmar3 Member Posts: 1,143
    I basically have to tunnel lol
  • TerminalEntropy
    TerminalEntropy Member Posts: 71

    What they said. And why is tunneling so bad at all, I've heard about it "not letting a survivor play" - how? The tunneled one is constantly in a chase instead of just doing gens, so he/she plays a lot! :]

  • Chi
    Chi Member Posts: 781

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    Because hitting someone else burns a lot of time.
    Wasting time is a huge problem for killers.

    Getting someone out of the trial, especially early is a massive help for the killer unless vital loadout info gets sniped.

    The person injured would have to heal up though, and the other survivor should be downed fairly easily, at least under normal circumstances. I can't find time being a justification for tunneling, unless there is only 1 gen left.

  • TrueKn1ghtmar3
    TrueKn1ghtmar3 Member Posts: 1,143
    Chi said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    Because hitting someone else burns a lot of time.
    Wasting time is a huge problem for killers.

    Getting someone out of the trial, especially early is a massive help for the killer unless vital loadout info gets sniped.

    The person injured would have to heal up though, and the other survivor should be downed fairly easily, at least under normal circumstances. I can't find time being a justification for tunneling, unless there is only 1 gen left.

    With the proficiency that survivors can run killers yea there is some justification. Can't injure one then expect to chase a fully healed one for like 6 minutes I want to feed the entity give the the injured 
  • rafajsp
    rafajsp Member Posts: 475
    Where is the Doctor "Get Gud" guy ?
  • se05239
    se05239 Member Posts: 3,919

    Turning a 4v1 to a 3v1 slows the game down immensely.

  • Rebel_Raven
    Rebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,775
    edited December 2018
    Chi said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    Because hitting someone else burns a lot of time.
    Wasting time is a huge problem for killers.

    Getting someone out of the trial, especially early is a massive help for the killer unless vital loadout info gets sniped.

    The person injured would have to heal up though, and the other survivor should be downed fairly easily, at least under normal circumstances. I can't find time being a justification for tunneling, unless there is only 1 gen left.

     No, they absolutely do not have to heal up. 
    Especially with the mindset in vsing legion.
    Them healing up requires self care, finding/using a med kit, or finding someone. If none is viable, they can just do gens while you're wasting time on the other guy.

    Under normal circumstances these days there are professional runners, and there is almost always atleast 1. 
    They either juke you, or loop you into oblivion, take you on a tour of Pallet town, if not some combination of that.
    If they do the rescue and the other was easier to catch, then it makes zero sense to go after the fresh one.

    Under surprisingly normal circumstances the rescuer hides better than the unhooked, so a killer would have to be stupid to overlook the first person they find. 

    If you can't think of a way to justify it, you haven't played enough killer, put zero thought in it, or deluded into thinking the killer must play to some code of honor that they generally do not get in return.
  • The_Trapper
    The_Trapper Member Posts: 186

    If a survivor sees a generator which is at 90%, and another at 0%, which will he go for?

    If the survivors make an unsafe save, then it's their fault. If someone unhooks me and the killer comes straight for me again, I don't get mad at the killer. I get mad at the survivor for making a bad save.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    @Master said:

    @ItzAsieR14 said:
    Why so much tunneling?

    Why not?
    You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do

    Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.

  • Rebel_Raven
    Rebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,775
    Poweas said:

    @Master said:

    @ItzAsieR14 said:
    Why so much tunneling?

    Why not?
    You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do

    Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.

    Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people? 
    Time management is primary for a killer.
    The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.
  • se05239
    se05239 Member Posts: 3,919

    @Poweas said:

    @Master said:

    @ItzAsieR14 said:
    Why so much tunneling?

    Why not?
    You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do

    Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.

    Playing 'fair' means respecting that made-up book of rules that the survivors made. It's not fun for the killer to play 'fair' since its punishes them and cost them games.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873
    edited December 2018

    @se05239 said:

    @Poweas said:

    @Master said:

    @ItzAsieR14 said:
    Why so much tunneling?

    Why not?
    You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do

    Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.

    Playing 'fair' means respecting that made-up book of rules that the survivors made. It's not fun for the killer to play 'fair' since its punishes them and cost them games.

    But for us to play fair, we gotta respect the made up rules that killers made. That means don't loop too hard, don't use instaheals or DS, don't use Sprint burst, don't bully bad killers with looping, make sure you die in your chase at some point, don't complain about hitboxes because we can't hit someone who does a 360 without it. Btw I actually respect these rules as survivor lol and my games are ok. And as killer I respect the survivors rules and I have games that go by fine.

    If it's one thing for killers, why can't it be same for survivor? Huh? Btw I am a survivor main now since I've gone bad. ;) don't complain about our made up rules when killers enforce their made up rules and camp/tunnel you if you don't follow it.

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    Poweas said:

    @Master said:

     @ItzAsieR14 said:
    

    Why so much tunneling?

    Why not?
    

    You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do

    Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.

    Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people? 
    Time management is primary for a killer.
    The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.

    It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.

  • Rebel_Raven
    Rebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,775
    Poweas said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    Poweas said:

    @Master said:

     @ItzAsieR14 said:
    

    Why so much tunneling?

    Why not?
    

    You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do

    Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.

    Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people? 
    Time management is primary for a killer.
    The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.

    It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.

    That's hilarious. 
    Just means less people eliminated so you can get that 1 gen left sooner.
    Pretty sure you want gens done as quickly as possible, too.
    Pretty damn sure you don't hang around and let killers get the hooks they would have otherwise gotten through trying to eliminate people sooner.

    And regardless of what ever code of honor you do, or don't stick to, it's about certain it's just you. Many others on both sides would gladly not follow it.

    In any event you're asking the killer to play suboptimal and have their blood points suffer as a result. That just isn't really fair. 
  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    Poweas said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:

    Poweas said:

    @Master said:
    

    @ItzAsieR14 said:

    Why so much tunneling?
    

    Why not?

    You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do
    
    
    
    Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.
    
    
    
    Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people? 
    

    Time management is primary for a killer.

    The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.

    It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.

    That's hilarious. 
    Just means less people eliminated so you can get that 1 gen left sooner.
    Pretty sure you want gens done as quickly as possible, too.
    Pretty damn sure you don't hang around and let killers get the hooks they would have otherwise gotten through trying to eliminate people sooner.

    And regardless of what ever code of honor you do, or don't stick to, it's about certain it's just you. Many others on both sides would gladly not follow it.

    In any event you're asking the killer to play suboptimal and have their blood points suffer as a result. That just isn't really fair. 

    What? There are so many killers who do well without tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left. If there's 1-2 gens left then tunnel all you want. I really hope I don't face you, tunnellers leave a very salty taste in my mouth when there's no reason to.

  • Rebel_Raven
    Rebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,775
    Poweas said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    Poweas said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:

    Poweas said:

    @Master said:
    

    @ItzAsieR14 said:

    Why so much tunneling?
    

    Why not?

    You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do
    
    
    
    Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.
    
    
    
    Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people? 
    

    Time management is primary for a killer.

    The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.

    It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.

    That's hilarious. 
    Just means less people eliminated so you can get that 1 gen left sooner.
    Pretty sure you want gens done as quickly as possible, too.
    Pretty damn sure you don't hang around and let killers get the hooks they would have otherwise gotten through trying to eliminate people sooner.

    And regardless of what ever code of honor you do, or don't stick to, it's about certain it's just you. Many others on both sides would gladly not follow it.

    In any event you're asking the killer to play suboptimal and have their blood points suffer as a result. That just isn't really fair. 

    What? There are so many killers who do well without tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left. If there's 1-2 gens left then tunnel all you want. I really hope I don't face you, tunnellers leave a very salty taste in my mouth when there's no reason to.

    I really hope i don't face you, either.
    There's no sense in holding every killer to the standards of streamers, and hold people to some rulebook that only benefits the person holding that rulebook.

    I don't usually intend to tunnel, truth be told. I don't mind trying to be nice.
    I definitely want to eliminate people, but it's usually the first person I find. I can't really be arsed to waste time in looking for someone when I can find someone else faster. 
    I will return to the hook when there is an unhooking since there is 2 people there, and I sure as hell don't know where anyone else is, usually. 

    Of course my rekindled hatred of SWF (who usually don't give a ######### about what's fun, or fair outside of their own rule book) means I do whatever since they usually abuse communication to overly coordinate, and not give a ######### about my fun.

    There is always a reason to tunnel. 3 people alive slows the game down, and helps the killer out immensely.

    I'm still trying to figure out how your rulebook is fair to killers, or how it remotely benefits them.
    I mean does it really matter after the trial if they followed your rules? Do you remember them at all?
    Do they somehow magically get blood points that playing nice lost them?

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @Poweas said:

    @Master said:

    @ItzAsieR14 said:
    Why so much tunneling?

    Why not?
    You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do

    Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.

    Thats non of my buisness. Im playing a scary monster in a horror game (in case you forgot)
    Also, survivors dont give a damn about fairness and fun on my side either, so why should I care?

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @Poweas said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    Poweas said:

    @Master said:

     @ItzAsieR14 said:
    

    Why so much tunneling?

    Why not?
    

    You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do

    Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.

    Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people? 
    Time management is primary for a killer.
    The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.

    It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.

    When there is only 1 gen left, then its too late to tunnel already

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @Poweas said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    Poweas said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:

    Poweas said:

    @Master said:
    

    @ItzAsieR14 said:

    Why so much tunneling?
    

    Why not?

    You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do
    
    
    
    Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.
    
    
    
    Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people? 
    

    Time management is primary for a killer.

    The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.

    It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.

    That's hilarious. 
    Just means less people eliminated so you can get that 1 gen left sooner.
    Pretty sure you want gens done as quickly as possible, too.
    Pretty damn sure you don't hang around and let killers get the hooks they would have otherwise gotten through trying to eliminate people sooner.

    And regardless of what ever code of honor you do, or don't stick to, it's about certain it's just you. Many others on both sides would gladly not follow it.

    In any event you're asking the killer to play suboptimal and have their blood points suffer as a result. That just isn't really fair. 

    What? There are so many killers who do well without tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left. If there's 1-2 gens left then tunnel all you want. I really hope I don't face you, tunnellers leave a very salty taste in my mouth when there's no reason to.

    Feel free to provide gameplay of these killers playing against a competent SWF "tunneling gens", I wanna see how well they do if they dont tunnel survivors in return :wink:

  • Poweas
    Poweas Member Posts: 5,873

    @Master said:

    @Poweas said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    Poweas said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:

    Poweas said:

    @Master said:
    

    @ItzAsieR14 said:

    Why so much tunneling?
    

    Why not?

    You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do
    
    
    
    Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.
    
    
    
    Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people? 
    

    Time management is primary for a killer.

    The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.

    It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.

    That's hilarious. 
    Just means less people eliminated so you can get that 1 gen left sooner.
    Pretty sure you want gens done as quickly as possible, too.
    Pretty damn sure you don't hang around and let killers get the hooks they would have otherwise gotten through trying to eliminate people sooner.

    And regardless of what ever code of honor you do, or don't stick to, it's about certain it's just you. Many others on both sides would gladly not follow it.

    In any event you're asking the killer to play suboptimal and have their blood points suffer as a result. That just isn't really fair. 

    What? There are so many killers who do well without tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left. If there's 1-2 gens left then tunnel all you want. I really hope I don't face you, tunnellers leave a very salty taste in my mouth when there's no reason to.

    Feel free to provide gameplay of these killers playing against a competent SWF "tunneling gens", I wanna see how well they do if they dont tunnel survivors in return :wink:

    Wait I forgot about SWF. Yes if you're facing one it's a good idea to tunnel the first guy, then the other 3 will be headless chickens. One goes to unhook, other does gens. Pressure the one on gens, and it's a cycle until they're all dead.

  • TheHourMan
    TheHourMan Member Posts: 1,052
    edited January 2019
    Hitting someone who just got unhooked is not tunnelling. Tunnelling is when you focus purely on one single person and refuse to acknowledge anyone else until that one is dead.
  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @TheHourMan said:
    Hitting someone who just got unhooked is not tunnelling. Tunnelling is when you focus purely on one single person and refuse to acknowledge anyone else until that one is dead.

    Usually thats called "hard tunneling"

  • Divinitye9
    Divinitye9 Member Posts: 392
    Why so much tunneling?
    Why so many clicky clicky flashlight?
  • GraviteaUK
    GraviteaUK Member Posts: 464
    edited January 2019

    Why so much tunnelling? because they can.

    Not against any rules and it will always happen, same with facecamping.

  • Zarathos
    Zarathos Member Posts: 1,911
    Master said:

    @TheHourMan said:
    Hitting someone who just got unhooked is not tunnelling. Tunnelling is when you focus purely on one single person and refuse to acknowledge anyone else until that one is dead.

    Usually thats called "hard tunneling"


    That's not a tunnel though. A tunnel is a one direct route no side paths its why its called a tunnel. If you are targeting someone off a hook that's capitalizing off an opponents mistake. Call that something else its confusing the original intention of the word. Also you do know once you hit 3 gens two gens a survivors needs to be gone or they will win via simple attrition unless your slugging but last i checked survivors hate that too.
    there's no meaningful slow down effect minus ruin which is probably already broken so the killer has kill fast. 3 hooks a kill two health states on average you cant afford to pass on a death hook. The game is balanced in a way that a killer can afford to play nice. Unless the team is crap the killer needs to play optimally.
  • Luc_ius
    Luc_ius Member Posts: 155

    As a survivor I don't have any problem with that. It's logical the killer will go for the easier prey.

  • rafajsp
    rafajsp Member Posts: 475

    @Poweas said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    Poweas said:

    @Master said:

     @ItzAsieR14 said:
    

    Why so much tunneling?

    Why not?
    

    You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do

    Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.

    Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people? 
    Time management is primary for a killer.
    The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.

    It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.

    Welcome to reallity.

  • Komotez
    Komotez Member Posts: 14
    edited January 2019

    Because I want you dead as soon as possible. It buys me more time to kill your fellow survivors.

    If it's not a bannable offence, I'm gonna do it if it benefits me

    Survivors are free to loop me, blind me, drop 50 pallets on my head, 360 me, (which is hardly in the spirit of the game, but if it works, I'm not gonna say you shouldn't) and bodyblock me (which I honestly think should be bannable but apparently it's not so go for it)

    However, in return I am free to choose to tunnel you and/or camp you (if i know for a fact all your buddies are swarming the hook)

    If you play well and give me a fun game, I may give you the hatch, but if you teabag relentlessly and 3-man bodyblock the hook and generally try to act like a toxic Ochido fanboy, you better have the skill to back it up or I'm gonna capitalise on your mistakes and it's the hook for your sorry keister.

  • fluffybunny
    fluffybunny Member Posts: 2,161
    Why so much tunneling?
    They feel/are under powered, aren't good at killer, thinks you're cute & wants to ask you out, you annoyed them somehow. 
  • fluffybunny
    fluffybunny Member Posts: 2,161
    edited January 2019
    Master said:

    @Poweas said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    Poweas said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:

    Poweas said:

    @Master said:
    

    @ItzAsieR14 said:

    Why so much tunneling?
    

    Why not?

    You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do
    
    
    
    Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.
    
    
    
    Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people? 
    

    Time management is primary for a killer.

    The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.

    It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.

    That's hilarious. 
    Just means less people eliminated so you can get that 1 gen left sooner.
    Pretty sure you want gens done as quickly as possible, too.
    Pretty damn sure you don't hang around and let killers get the hooks they would have otherwise gotten through trying to eliminate people sooner.

    And regardless of what ever code of honor you do, or don't stick to, it's about certain it's just you. Many others on both sides would gladly not follow it.

    In any event you're asking the killer to play suboptimal and have their blood points suffer as a result. That just isn't really fair. 

    What? There are so many killers who do well without tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left. If there's 1-2 gens left then tunnel all you want. I really hope I don't face you, tunnellers leave a very salty taste in my mouth when there's no reason to.

    Feel free to provide gameplay of these killers playing against a competent SWF "tunneling gens", I wanna see how well they do if they dont tunnel survivors in return :wink:

    You can't tunnel gens. You're thinking of looping. Killer equivalent to gen rushing is applying pressure on gens and the three gen strat.
  • PandaChris
    PandaChris Member Posts: 140
    edited January 2019

    This game is more of a race than a hunt. Precious seconds add up when you cant derail the survivor team to get someone off the objective and kill them as fast as possible. That is just how the game is.

    If a killer chases a survivor, hooks them, they get rescued by a full health survivor, the killer has 2 options.

    1 - Go after the injured survivor.

    Pros: The injured survivor takes 1 hit not 2, a survivor gets closer to death, the chase is shorter, the rescuing survivor will most likely not go back to a generator immediately and stay around the area.

    Cons: It sucks being the person downed then hooked, then downed then hooked.

    2 - Go after the full health survivor.

    Pros: You have 2 survivors 1 hooked? If they dont get away i guess...

    Cons: The unhooked survivor heals up, the saving survivor has a better chance at getting away being full speed and requiring 2 hits, the chase will be longer, and the unhooked survivor can heal up and go to a gen probably before the other survivor gets hooked.

    Just because certain killers with certain perks dont have to tunnel, doesnt mean mechanically its not the best choice to make more often than not.

    Edit - Im not saying tunneling doesnt suck. I am sure it does for a lot of people. They join a game, get found then tunneled and on top of that receive no blood points. But thats a game mechanic issue, not the killers fault.

  • Attackfrog
    Attackfrog Member Posts: 1,134

    Only bad killers tunnel because if you're tunneling, you're not camping right.

  • RoKrueger
    RoKrueger Member Posts: 1,371
    "Tunnel" is a term invented by survivors to try to make us feel bad and let them win. Don't fall into their trap! It's fine to take out the weakest link first
  • RoKrueger
    RoKrueger Member Posts: 1,371
    "Tunnel" is a term invented by survivors to try to make us feel bad and let them win. Don't fall into their trap! It's fine to take out the weakest link first
  • TheHourMan
    TheHourMan Member Posts: 1,052
    Master said:

    @TheHourMan said:
    Hitting someone who just got unhooked is not tunnelling. Tunnelling is when you focus purely on one single person and refuse to acknowledge anyone else until that one is dead.

    Usually thats called "hard tunneling"

    So you're saying that if you don't deliberately ignore the survivor who was last hooked, you are tunneling?