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Tunneling
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Isn't tunneling widely misinterpreted? In my book it always was focusing on someone because you have a grudge and want to to ruin their game (like if you recognize someone or get annoyed with the others playstyle).
But for what it stands for in this community (as it seems) I also think many people feel tunneled unjustly, like if I follow the only trail there and it is yours who was hooked recently, is it my fault for following a trail or your for leaving one in the first place? The one who rescued you seemed to slip away without leaving scratch marks. (this scenario may or may not have happened exactly as stated)
Also, as mentioned before going for the weakest link is a valid strategy. If you are rushing for the gate you don't really believe the killer goes for the healthy ones and let's them dash out while he maybe would have gotten another hook of your injured person there?
Those cases are the ones people tend to blame me for tunneling, so I can simply say I don't except when I do.
(meaning there is really no other reasonable option left)8
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because if someone is going to unhooked in front of or near me i might as well go for it. its like saying who would you chase, the no mither who is a one shot down or the other guy who still has 2 hits left. the faster i can kill off a survivor the easier the game gets for me and the harder the game gets for the survivors its a win win scenario. i dont tunnel very often btw, i can just defend it.
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@ItzAsieR14 said:
Why so much tunneling?Why not?
You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do8 -
Because hitting someone else burns a lot of time.
Wasting time is a huge problem for killers.
Getting someone out of the trial, especially early is a massive help for the killer unless vital loadout info gets sniped.9 -
Because it's common sense a lot of the time. Why would I go after a Survivor who's at full health over one that's injured?
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Tunneling means the killer really likes you.
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I basically have to tunnel lol0
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What they said. And why is tunneling so bad at all, I've heard about it "not letting a survivor play" - how? The tunneled one is constantly in a chase instead of just doing gens, so he/she plays a lot! :]
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@Rebel_Raven said:
Because hitting someone else burns a lot of time.
Wasting time is a huge problem for killers.Getting someone out of the trial, especially early is a massive help for the killer unless vital loadout info gets sniped.
The person injured would have to heal up though, and the other survivor should be downed fairly easily, at least under normal circumstances. I can't find time being a justification for tunneling, unless there is only 1 gen left.
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Chi said:
@Rebel_Raven said:
Because hitting someone else burns a lot of time.
Wasting time is a huge problem for killers.Getting someone out of the trial, especially early is a massive help for the killer unless vital loadout info gets sniped.
The person injured would have to heal up though, and the other survivor should be downed fairly easily, at least under normal circumstances. I can't find time being a justification for tunneling, unless there is only 1 gen left.
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Where is the Doctor "Get Gud" guy ?0
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Turning a 4v1 to a 3v1 slows the game down immensely.
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Chi said:
@Rebel_Raven said:
Because hitting someone else burns a lot of time.
Wasting time is a huge problem for killers.Getting someone out of the trial, especially early is a massive help for the killer unless vital loadout info gets sniped.
The person injured would have to heal up though, and the other survivor should be downed fairly easily, at least under normal circumstances. I can't find time being a justification for tunneling, unless there is only 1 gen left.
Especially with the mindset in vsing legion.
Them healing up requires self care, finding/using a med kit, or finding someone. If none is viable, they can just do gens while you're wasting time on the other guy.
Under normal circumstances these days there are professional runners, and there is almost always atleast 1.
They either juke you, or loop you into oblivion, take you on a tour of Pallet town, if not some combination of that.
If they do the rescue and the other was easier to catch, then it makes zero sense to go after the fresh one.
Under surprisingly normal circumstances the rescuer hides better than the unhooked, so a killer would have to be stupid to overlook the first person they find.
If you can't think of a way to justify it, you haven't played enough killer, put zero thought in it, or deluded into thinking the killer must play to some code of honor that they generally do not get in return.0 -
If a survivor sees a generator which is at 90%, and another at 0%, which will he go for?
If the survivors make an unsafe save, then it's their fault. If someone unhooks me and the killer comes straight for me again, I don't get mad at the killer. I get mad at the survivor for making a bad save.
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@Master said:
@ItzAsieR14 said:
Why so much tunneling?Why not?
You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to doWell that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.
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Poweas said:
@Master said:
@ItzAsieR14 said:
Why so much tunneling?Why not?
You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to doWell that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.
Time management is primary for a killer.
The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.
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@Poweas said:
@Master said:
@ItzAsieR14 said:
Why so much tunneling?Why not?
You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to doWell that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.
Playing 'fair' means respecting that made-up book of rules that the survivors made. It's not fun for the killer to play 'fair' since its punishes them and cost them games.
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@se05239 said:
@Poweas said:
@Master said:
@ItzAsieR14 said:
Why so much tunneling?Why not?
You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to doWell that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.
Playing 'fair' means respecting that made-up book of rules that the survivors made. It's not fun for the killer to play 'fair' since its punishes them and cost them games.
But for us to play fair, we gotta respect the made up rules that killers made. That means don't loop too hard, don't use instaheals or DS, don't use Sprint burst, don't bully bad killers with looping, make sure you die in your chase at some point, don't complain about hitboxes because we can't hit someone who does a 360 without it. Btw I actually respect these rules as survivor lol and my games are ok. And as killer I respect the survivors rules and I have games that go by fine.
If it's one thing for killers, why can't it be same for survivor? Huh? Btw I am a survivor main now since I've gone bad. don't complain about our made up rules when killers enforce their made up rules and camp/tunnel you if you don't follow it.
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@Rebel_Raven said:
Poweas said:@Master said:
@ItzAsieR14 said:
Why so much tunneling?
Why not?
You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do
Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.
Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people?
Time management is primary for a killer.
The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.
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Poweas said:
@Rebel_Raven said:
Poweas said:@Master said:
@ItzAsieR14 said:
Why so much tunneling?
Why not?
You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do
Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.
Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people?
Time management is primary for a killer.
The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.
Just means less people eliminated so you can get that 1 gen left sooner.
Pretty sure you want gens done as quickly as possible, too.
Pretty damn sure you don't hang around and let killers get the hooks they would have otherwise gotten through trying to eliminate people sooner.
And regardless of what ever code of honor you do, or don't stick to, it's about certain it's just you. Many others on both sides would gladly not follow it.
In any event you're asking the killer to play suboptimal and have their blood points suffer as a result. That just isn't really fair.1 -
@Rebel_Raven said:
Poweas said:@Rebel_Raven said:
Poweas said:
@Master said:
@ItzAsieR14 said:
Why so much tunneling?
Why not?
You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate. Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people?
Time management is primary for a killer.
The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.
It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.
That's hilarious.
Just means less people eliminated so you can get that 1 gen left sooner.
Pretty sure you want gens done as quickly as possible, too.
Pretty damn sure you don't hang around and let killers get the hooks they would have otherwise gotten through trying to eliminate people sooner.And regardless of what ever code of honor you do, or don't stick to, it's about certain it's just you. Many others on both sides would gladly not follow it.
In any event you're asking the killer to play suboptimal and have their blood points suffer as a result. That just isn't really fair.
What? There are so many killers who do well without tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left. If there's 1-2 gens left then tunnel all you want. I really hope I don't face you, tunnellers leave a very salty taste in my mouth when there's no reason to.
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Poweas said:
@Rebel_Raven said:
Poweas said:@Rebel_Raven said:
Poweas said:
@Master said:
@ItzAsieR14 said:
Why so much tunneling?
Why not?
You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate. Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people?
Time management is primary for a killer.
The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.
It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.
That's hilarious.
Just means less people eliminated so you can get that 1 gen left sooner.
Pretty sure you want gens done as quickly as possible, too.
Pretty damn sure you don't hang around and let killers get the hooks they would have otherwise gotten through trying to eliminate people sooner.And regardless of what ever code of honor you do, or don't stick to, it's about certain it's just you. Many others on both sides would gladly not follow it.
In any event you're asking the killer to play suboptimal and have their blood points suffer as a result. That just isn't really fair.
What? There are so many killers who do well without tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left. If there's 1-2 gens left then tunnel all you want. I really hope I don't face you, tunnellers leave a very salty taste in my mouth when there's no reason to.
There's no sense in holding every killer to the standards of streamers, and hold people to some rulebook that only benefits the person holding that rulebook.
I don't usually intend to tunnel, truth be told. I don't mind trying to be nice.
I definitely want to eliminate people, but it's usually the first person I find. I can't really be arsed to waste time in looking for someone when I can find someone else faster.
I will return to the hook when there is an unhooking since there is 2 people there, and I sure as hell don't know where anyone else is, usually.
Of course my rekindled hatred of SWF (who usually don't give a ######### about what's fun, or fair outside of their own rule book) means I do whatever since they usually abuse communication to overly coordinate, and not give a ######### about my fun.
There is always a reason to tunnel. 3 people alive slows the game down, and helps the killer out immensely.
I'm still trying to figure out how your rulebook is fair to killers, or how it remotely benefits them.
I mean does it really matter after the trial if they followed your rules? Do you remember them at all?
Do they somehow magically get blood points that playing nice lost them?
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@Poweas said:
@Master said:
@ItzAsieR14 said:
Why so much tunneling?Why not?
You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to doWell that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.
Thats non of my buisness. Im playing a scary monster in a horror game (in case you forgot)
Also, survivors dont give a damn about fairness and fun on my side either, so why should I care?1 -
@Poweas said:
@Rebel_Raven said:
Poweas said:@Master said:
@ItzAsieR14 said:
Why so much tunneling?
Why not?
You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do
Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.
Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people?
Time management is primary for a killer.
The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.
When there is only 1 gen left, then its too late to tunnel already
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@Poweas said:
@Rebel_Raven said:
Poweas said:@Rebel_Raven said:
Poweas said:
@Master said:
@ItzAsieR14 said:
Why so much tunneling?
Why not?
You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate. Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people?
Time management is primary for a killer.
The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.
It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.
That's hilarious.
Just means less people eliminated so you can get that 1 gen left sooner.
Pretty sure you want gens done as quickly as possible, too.
Pretty damn sure you don't hang around and let killers get the hooks they would have otherwise gotten through trying to eliminate people sooner.And regardless of what ever code of honor you do, or don't stick to, it's about certain it's just you. Many others on both sides would gladly not follow it.
In any event you're asking the killer to play suboptimal and have their blood points suffer as a result. That just isn't really fair.
What? There are so many killers who do well without tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left. If there's 1-2 gens left then tunnel all you want. I really hope I don't face you, tunnellers leave a very salty taste in my mouth when there's no reason to.
Feel free to provide gameplay of these killers playing against a competent SWF "tunneling gens", I wanna see how well they do if they dont tunnel survivors in return
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@Master said:
@Poweas said:
@Rebel_Raven said:
Poweas said:@Rebel_Raven said:
Poweas said:
@Master said:
@ItzAsieR14 said:
Why so much tunneling?
Why not?
You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate. Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people?
Time management is primary for a killer.
The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.
It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.
That's hilarious.
Just means less people eliminated so you can get that 1 gen left sooner.
Pretty sure you want gens done as quickly as possible, too.
Pretty damn sure you don't hang around and let killers get the hooks they would have otherwise gotten through trying to eliminate people sooner.And regardless of what ever code of honor you do, or don't stick to, it's about certain it's just you. Many others on both sides would gladly not follow it.
In any event you're asking the killer to play suboptimal and have their blood points suffer as a result. That just isn't really fair.
What? There are so many killers who do well without tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left. If there's 1-2 gens left then tunnel all you want. I really hope I don't face you, tunnellers leave a very salty taste in my mouth when there's no reason to.
Feel free to provide gameplay of these killers playing against a competent SWF "tunneling gens", I wanna see how well they do if they dont tunnel survivors in return
Wait I forgot about SWF. Yes if you're facing one it's a good idea to tunnel the first guy, then the other 3 will be headless chickens. One goes to unhook, other does gens. Pressure the one on gens, and it's a cycle until they're all dead.
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Hitting someone who just got unhooked is not tunnelling. Tunnelling is when you focus purely on one single person and refuse to acknowledge anyone else until that one is dead.2
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@TheHourMan said:
Hitting someone who just got unhooked is not tunnelling. Tunnelling is when you focus purely on one single person and refuse to acknowledge anyone else until that one is dead.Usually thats called "hard tunneling"
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ItzAsieR14 said:Why so much tunneling?3
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Why so much tunnelling? because they can.
Not against any rules and it will always happen, same with facecamping.
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Master said:
@TheHourMan said:
Hitting someone who just got unhooked is not tunnelling. Tunnelling is when you focus purely on one single person and refuse to acknowledge anyone else until that one is dead.Usually thats called "hard tunneling"
That's not a tunnel though. A tunnel is a one direct route no side paths its why its called a tunnel. If you are targeting someone off a hook that's capitalizing off an opponents mistake. Call that something else its confusing the original intention of the word. Also you do know once you hit 3 gens two gens a survivors needs to be gone or they will win via simple attrition unless your slugging but last i checked survivors hate that too.
there's no meaningful slow down effect minus ruin which is probably already broken so the killer has kill fast. 3 hooks a kill two health states on average you cant afford to pass on a death hook. The game is balanced in a way that a killer can afford to play nice. Unless the team is crap the killer needs to play optimally.1 -
As a survivor I don't have any problem with that. It's logical the killer will go for the easier prey.
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@Poweas said:
@Rebel_Raven said:
Poweas said:@Master said:
@ItzAsieR14 said:
Why so much tunneling?
Why not?
You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do
Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate.
Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people?
Time management is primary for a killer.
The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.
Welcome to reallity.
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Because I want you dead as soon as possible. It buys me more time to kill your fellow survivors.
If it's not a bannable offence, I'm gonna do it if it benefits me
Survivors are free to loop me, blind me, drop 50 pallets on my head, 360 me, (which is hardly in the spirit of the game, but if it works, I'm not gonna say you shouldn't) and bodyblock me (which I honestly think should be bannable but apparently it's not so go for it)
However, in return I am free to choose to tunnel you and/or camp you (if i know for a fact all your buddies are swarming the hook)
If you play well and give me a fun game, I may give you the hatch, but if you teabag relentlessly and 3-man bodyblock the hook and generally try to act like a toxic Ochido fanboy, you better have the skill to back it up or I'm gonna capitalise on your mistakes and it's the hook for your sorry keister.
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ItzAsieR14 said:Why so much tunneling?0
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Master said:
@Poweas said:
@Rebel_Raven said:
Poweas said:@Rebel_Raven said:
Poweas said:
@Master said:
@ItzAsieR14 said:
Why so much tunneling?
Why not?
You always tunnel gens too because its just logical to do Well that's not really fair on the guy you eliminate. Because it's fair to make a killer spend more time chasing people?
Time management is primary for a killer.
The more time they spend doing something is more time survivors have to do something. Like gens.
It's fine to tunnel when there's 1 gen left but if your tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left ur a dirty killer.
That's hilarious.
Just means less people eliminated so you can get that 1 gen left sooner.
Pretty sure you want gens done as quickly as possible, too.
Pretty damn sure you don't hang around and let killers get the hooks they would have otherwise gotten through trying to eliminate people sooner.And regardless of what ever code of honor you do, or don't stick to, it's about certain it's just you. Many others on both sides would gladly not follow it.
In any event you're asking the killer to play suboptimal and have their blood points suffer as a result. That just isn't really fair.
What? There are so many killers who do well without tunnelling when there's 5-3 gens left. If there's 1-2 gens left then tunnel all you want. I really hope I don't face you, tunnellers leave a very salty taste in my mouth when there's no reason to.
Feel free to provide gameplay of these killers playing against a competent SWF "tunneling gens", I wanna see how well they do if they dont tunnel survivors in return
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This game is more of a race than a hunt. Precious seconds add up when you cant derail the survivor team to get someone off the objective and kill them as fast as possible. That is just how the game is.
If a killer chases a survivor, hooks them, they get rescued by a full health survivor, the killer has 2 options.
1 - Go after the injured survivor.
Pros: The injured survivor takes 1 hit not 2, a survivor gets closer to death, the chase is shorter, the rescuing survivor will most likely not go back to a generator immediately and stay around the area.
Cons: It sucks being the person downed then hooked, then downed then hooked.
2 - Go after the full health survivor.
Pros: You have 2 survivors 1 hooked? If they dont get away i guess...
Cons: The unhooked survivor heals up, the saving survivor has a better chance at getting away being full speed and requiring 2 hits, the chase will be longer, and the unhooked survivor can heal up and go to a gen probably before the other survivor gets hooked.
Just because certain killers with certain perks dont have to tunnel, doesnt mean mechanically its not the best choice to make more often than not.
Edit - Im not saying tunneling doesnt suck. I am sure it does for a lot of people. They join a game, get found then tunneled and on top of that receive no blood points. But thats a game mechanic issue, not the killers fault.
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Only bad killers tunnel because if you're tunneling, you're not camping right.
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"Tunnel" is a term invented by survivors to try to make us feel bad and let them win. Don't fall into their trap! It's fine to take out the weakest link first0
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"Tunnel" is a term invented by survivors to try to make us feel bad and let them win. Don't fall into their trap! It's fine to take out the weakest link first0
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Master said:
@TheHourMan said:
Hitting someone who just got unhooked is not tunnelling. Tunnelling is when you focus purely on one single person and refuse to acknowledge anyone else until that one is dead.Usually thats called "hard tunneling"
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