Dead hard is a problem??

i think you're just in denial over it.

you're right tho, there is no point to further debate on this topic, its quite appearant that you wont listen.

have a good day.

Dead hard needs to be reworked. Its the only problematic perk atm that offers no downsides.

DH into wall happens if you look at killer but the loop - dead zone- loop part you forgot , also ######### up while not using exhaustion perks like at loops and dh can correct you , no other perk can do that .. you just take 1 part of the argument that you didnt agree and ignore the rest ...

want more proof why its broken ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm0cDlcbyGM go to 2:05 and tell me which other perk can do that ... even if you sprint burst there you die because he started running to late , but nope dh not broken at all ... not even that its that broken its just overpowered perk , if you run any other you are at disadvantage (just pls dont tell me sHe StiLL WeNt DoWN tHouGH , because she didnt drop pallet which was mistake since she didnt realize he has pwyf , but the thing is that perk gave her extra life that she used poorly)

its funny though how many people dissagree with you are try to prove the point and even what person above said , look at every survivor main and killer main at high elo playing game on stream or yt saying that the perk is op and look at high mmr players all running DH-DS-2 changable perks , but everyone at high elo who plays competitivly has DH and DS (and im not talking about meme builds they do for content).

The hit validation isn't an issue with dead hard. Its an issue with how the Devs handle hit feedback. If the killer doesn't hear a scream or have blood splatter on their screen after a survivor dead hards, it would look like a normal dead hard. You will go into whiff cooldown and continue the chase. Its only because you hear the scream, see the blood, and the survivor still running away do you feel cheated.

Problem with dead hard compared to other exhaustion perks is that it has absolutly zero restrictions.

Lithe needs vaults. If the killer is able to catch you off guard and there are no vaults near it doesn't do anything.

It also isn't an option. If you are in chase and you vault it happens. Doesn't matter that you could have vaulted that window 3 more times before you needed the speedboost it happens when it happens.

Dead hard has zero requirements except being injured which is what your opponent wants to do. So that doesn't really count. It is bound to happen and if it doesn't who cares if you can't use your exhaustion perk

And it is activated whenever you want. You can vault as many windows as you want. Run however long you want. Do whatever you want. You have 100% control over when dead hard happens.

On top of that the distance dead hard creates really isn't that less then other sprint based perks.

Sprint burst if the killer was smart and didn't wiff gives you (18m - 13.8m) 4.2m over 3 seconds vs a standerd 4.6 m/s killer

Dead hard gives you (~8.4m - 4.6m) ~3.6m over 1 second. Without any real restrictions what so ever.

You don't play killer don't you?

It give the survivor more then 10 seconds when they dead hard for distance in any loop that either have a window and/or a pallet. It also turn a winning chase to a waste one if they find another loop which most of the time they will.

I must admit, it really seems like you don't know what you're talking about.

Survivors lead chases, 1 hit down killers usually prevent one instance of Dead Hard, you think Dead Hard for distance only extends chases for 2s when it's universally known as one of the best chase extenders, etc.

It's ok to be new.

When you hit a healthy survivor with any kind of one shot they go down.

then after they get unhooked or recovered from that they are injured and free to use dead hard as much as they like.

Hence oneshot abilities only prevent a single use from dead hard

The usage of Dead Hard you're describing is its weakest use.

It can be used for distance to get to a pallet/window and extend a loop when you're not even within striking range, tacking on 30s+ to a chase with an action that is generally uncounterable.

If the people you play aren't using it to extend loops, they're not very good.

A survivor can choose to not get healed and stay injured. What the killer does is completly irrelevant

100% I'd do that too

I think DH is a problem because it does multiple things

1. get more distance
2. immune

All the other exhaustion perks mainly have one purpose, get more distance, but only with different activate condition

DH validation is not a buff, seriously. But what the fix brings is the problem here

First of all, even before the fix, it's always a meta perk because it's an easy second chance.

It can also be hidden, you can hold this perk when you see the long attack then use it, even upon see the knifes waved down if your ping is very low, which force the killers taking more time to get very close to you maybe even do some mind-game when toe to back. And yet perhaps you don't even have the perk but killers still assume you have it or it will be a major mistakes then you can safely get to another loop. The existing of DH is a mind-game to killers.

Further more, it affects some of killers ability now. Nemesis for example, his tentacles hit the survivor behind a pallet. Before recent patch just simple hit or miss by DH then break the pallet, but with the validation working, the hit got rejected by the server, but local end thought the survivor was hit so the pallet remains the same, the list is long but the idea remains the same.

Again, the validation is aimed to make this perk works which is a right thins to do, but it mechanically gives disadvantages That means a nerf by how it looks like and it needs to be fixed.

Back to the function it has.

Distance or defense. I think the perk needs to be tuned into either one or get a full rework.

It's apperently super easy with a good medkit and CoH. Or so i heard

Most of the time you can't push them away from a loop and if there was a situation where you could, there are lot of pallet near each other so there are a small chance where you could push them into an open area.

There are 8 perk that cuase exposed (dragon grip, iron maidan, hex NOED, hex devour hope, hex haunted ground, make your choice, rancor and starstruck) and 5 one shot killers (billy, myers, bubba, ghostface and the oni)

Iron miadan and rancor are mostly situational when it come to getting any value on them.I

Make your choice, haunted ground and dragon grip can get some good useage but it depends on the decision on the killer and finding the survivor which haunted can be pair up with hex retribution and make your choice you can hear the scream of the survivor (which depends on if there are one or more of the same character to see if it give more or less value)

Starstruck can get value but need to carry a survivor and is limited to the terror radius which can get bigger with agitation and destressing. It get a lot of value if it on a killer like the nurse has she can goes through anything.

NOED is a perk that i do hope it gets change but it in current state it only work when all 5 gen are powered and if the survivor left one totem up. It can give the killer a kill and possibly 4k'ing.

Devour hope is a good hex perk as it can become the sole reason why the survivors lost while still being fair as you need to be outside of 32 metre for it to gain token and up to three all survivor are exposed till the totem has been broken. If paired with undying it become very strong that if undying isn't destroy by te time it get it 3rd token, they will have to be lucky enough to find both of them.

Oni and billy are very limited when it come to there oneshot. Oni need to fill up his bar to activate his and it limited in steering just like billy but can go into his dash more quicker then billy and even if you have little experience of playing him you can get a lot of value if you know how to play him. Billy is very slowed when revving and at most loop his power won't do much unless the guy is very experience and skilled at playing billy.

Bubba is slowed when he's revving his chainsaw but he can move around like normal and can hit more then once but isn't great at most loop and is harder to menuveur in them but can still get some great value is some situations.

Myers and ghost face need to stalk to get them exposed individually for ghost face and all for myers. Myer need to tier up which can be a hassle once if you can find anyone. It take awhile to tier up which it can take awhile or in a moment. Going into tier 3 he gain increased vaulting speed, extanded lunge and all survivors are exposed till tier 3 run out (60 seconds) he can snowball while in tier 3. Ghost face power need to be activated to gain undetectable and the ability to stalk survivors. He can be reveal which put his ability on cooldown for 24 seconds. When he stalks survivor that can only exposed individually but can exposed all with they group up together. His crouch can make some look that are unable to be mindgame to being able to depending on both players.

Hope i didn't miss anything because i did more then this and it was erased (myer and ghostface part)

Where is my popcorn? Such interesting and hilarious topic

I don’t know why to this day you can still DH over traps.

Sensitive is really the perfect word to describe the killer community. Dead Hard is a solid perk but it remains pretty easy to play around/bait out.

I had a team yesterday that whenever they had DH available, they always got the hit validation. Frame perfect DH every single time, even on quick hits.