survivors need to understand why killers camp/tunnel
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You did miss something, you are responding to a troll.
The whole point of the post you responded to was to piss you off enough to respond to it. They want attention.
However you did manage to blue ball them a bit by not going on a deroagtory rant about men so legit thank you for that.
However next time ignore that they exist. It reminds then they don't matter and comments like theirs aren't going to change that.
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As a killer, I generally do not tunnel, I prefer the longer game, try to three gen them and patrol the triangle. It does not always work, but I find it more fun.
There are times when I have to tunnel, such as if somebody has a flashlight, I would rather get them out of the game first, basically because it is just annoying and these are the people who normally moan about killers, secondly if there is a Mikaela, because I don't want infinite healing points. Once she is gone they team have to group up to heal or find med kits. I don't normally bother with Claudettes self care, because she is just one and to be honest, not much of a threat.
The other reason is if the games pace is quick, say with a swf, then it is better to break the team up quick.
As a survivor it is very annoying and I have some survivor friends that hate it with a vengence. Getting chased and downed over and over, then leaving the game with little points is terrible, but not the end of the earth. I try to explain that sometimes it is a valid tactic just as proxy camping, when you wait for another survivor to come for the rescue, then down them as they fail and run. Also when you slug somebody and leave them on the floor before the last kill, then go for the final teammate, just so you get the 4K before the hatch spawns.
Survivors will moan that it is killer sided, that the killers perks are better, the killer is overpowered and the killers tactics are bad, but the aim of the game is make kills any way possible, and the more the better.
Killers will moan that it is survivor sided, with 16 perks, gen rushing, flashlights, swf and all the rest, but the aim of the game is to do gens and survive to escape, by any means possible.
It is what it is.
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There are definitely things they can do to prevent tunneling, its camping thats the tricky part. Like you said you can only really add incentives.
And even changing core mechanics can be tricky as well, for instance I've been writing a post of how I would rework the trials, make things feel fresh, unique but also eliminate the main frustrations of the game. Camping is the trickiest one BY FAR and I've been writing this thing for over 3 months now, every idea that I've come up with there's always a flaw. So really I'm gonna give some slack to the devs because it isn't an easy task.
*Also thank you :)
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* You’re welcome,
I know the solutions much more difficult than us layman can comprehend and I don’t hate the devs, I’m just frustrated with them. I just wish they’d do two day trials like they did with the bloodlust weekend and see what works and what doesn’t on live servers. If it works, great, if not, just revert it.
They need to do something, because the game just feels more and more stale. Hell, I haven’t been able to play in over two weeks due to being hospitalized, and just thinking about coming back to the game doesn’t seem exciting.
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Hope you’re feeling better. 💛
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Absolutely, I have no idea why they haven't done more test weekends like the bloodlust one, it is such a missed opportunity that can gather so much feedback.
They could also make a separate mode specifically for tests, so it doesn't feel forced onto people.
Also get well soon <3
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As a killer. Ur suppose to tunnel and camp if u are trying to kill.
If u sacrifice ur own feelings for the feelings of the survivors, than u should follow the survivor rule book.
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I am! They doctor was talking about releasing me as soon as this weekends if not by Monday. It depends on the continued healing of my lungs. I’m a little worried because of how bad I was before I admitted myself and now that I’m getting better, I attribute it to being in the hospital and have gotten attached. It’s weird, I never thought I’d be attached to a hospital or not want to leave it.
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awhhh. It sounds like they really take well care of you. You're in a good place.
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They don’t have to do it on weekends when it’s high play time! They can do it on Tuesday and Wednesdays, twice a month. I’m just going to blame the bean counters and pretend the devs have no say so.
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This is the key thing we always try to get across swf is always gonna be a pain vs randoms, cant tell you how lame it was today I had a team with 2 people am sure they are swf and i got caught and hook by the huntress then they both ran to a gen same with person 3 and ofc try seeing if they get the gen down before I second hook, ofc I got second hook and thats when they wanna try to save but i purposely fail my skilled check and at that point ty god the killer was on console and I expose all of them just as a revenge, yes it was low but come on the solo queue specially if its other people whos apparently swf only gonna look out for themselves or each other my thing lately is always have either at least 2 other friend with me + 1 random or full swf. trying to do it single is miserable. Back on point SWF is gonna most like to give even a good killer a hard time vs a party as you said full of potatoes aka RANDUMS.
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Everything is toxic to both sides LOL.
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Remember though survivors are nothing unlike killers who are unique cause of power but cosmetics some may not even bring mikaela and use her perks on their fav char so there is still that to be alert of. I go for flash light people first else anything dont bother me. funny though some try the old sabo hook build but star struck has me one hit that poor person trying to break my hook lol while still able to hook my other prize.
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Killers: You have to understand why we camp and tunnel!
Survivors: *use DS and BT*
Killers: *shocked pikachu face*
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Oh I fully expect every survivor to use those perks lol.
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From a solo survivor perspective, yeah, everything is designed against them. Play solo survivor a couple times a week so you can learn.
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There is no such thing as gen-rushing, that is a made up term by killer mains. Survivors main objective is to do gens and escape as fast as possible. Is there a hook-rushing problem? You know killers who try to kill you right off the bat. And these same killers try to down you as fast as possible. Pretty silly, right? That is why gen-rushing is a non problem.
As for the problem with camping? If it needs explained it is probably a lost cause. The object of the game is to have fun and for those you play with to have fun. Slugging, tunneling, and camping are winnable strategies but the cost is the fun of the other players. I always try to remember there are real people online I am playing with.
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What's funny is that no matter how often I'm accused of tunneling and camping ds never goes off on me and bt has never been a problem. Everytime I crush a team and see all four had these perks that never went off its fun to open chat and see all the wonderful accusations.
I think its because I use off meta perks and pissplosion bottles as clown. It just rustles those Jimmies.
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idk how some people can have those chats open. I always have them turned off because you play a certain way and survivors will jump down your throat.
EDIT- I'm referring to the comment above this one.
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Imagine if they had chat for consoles oh boy lol. I am thinking they think it me way worst vs the pc chat.
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Hey now. I care. If my team is stomping a baby killer, I'll sandbag to give them a hook or two. If I'm wrecking some survivors, I'll start missing on purpose so they get some excitement from a chase.
Not everyone's a fool with a lack of sympathy.
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Its not about having a lack of sympathy or being a fool and beating another team or player in a video game has nothing to do with either.
Its a video game. The other team who has nothing to do with you with nothing of value on the line has no reason to care if you have "fun".
What you do is up to you, and no one has a reason to care either way.
Because it's a video game.
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I main Claudette, have for over 2900 hours, and only play solo. No, not everything is designed against solo, it’s as easy as can be when you have teammates that aren’t powered by potato batteries.
Im terrible at the game and hit my skill ceiling long ago, yet, I can waste enough time of the killers that 3 gens pop before they down me, all I have to do is start running the second I see the killer coming. And this is with just “shift + W” and just running past pallets without dropping them. The only time I get put down quickly is when I screw up, which is often since I can’t look behind myself while running (spine chill is my crutch), or if it’s a stealth killer, since I always walk into them and push their blade into my heart.
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I dont anymore, not for awhile, but I used to. It was honestly awful and why I don't care and argue no one else should. It doesn't matter how you play or if you win or lose. You're what I used to call a "faggiercel" the three most common slurs that would be tossed at me by survivors crunched together. Try and guess which ones! Fun for the whole malajusted family.
But yeah, box stays closed now. There is nothing to be gained by reading it.
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Why does that hurt the survivor if the killer gets a free kill, if the survivor doesn’t want to play. It’s like an AFKing killer would complain that the survivors escaped.
I wouldn’t call it outplayed, there are certain scenarios where it’s impossible to stop 2-3 gens to pop, no matter how quickly I can end a chase.
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Who said anything about not wanting to play?
The entire issue with facecamping is that you either AFK or give the killer a free extra kill, possibly three.
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if you’re giving the killer 3 kills than it’s probably the survivors fault for risking the unhook only to feed them more kills. That’s why you gotta stay on gens.
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Or can't we as players realize that it's a viscous cycle...
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I understand why, doesn't make it any more fun or bearable.
It's a deep rooted problem in DBD and I don't blame killers for doing it, I hope it gets changed in some way but I doubt it.
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As long as nothing gets implemented that punishes killers for doing it. They already lose points and gens.
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No, if you get facecamped and hook suicide to get out of that trial and into the next so you can actually play, the other survivors in that trial now have to finish the trial with one survivor less. And if the killer then facecamps the next, they probably won't have enough time to finish the remaining gens before the second camp victim dies.
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It's not for me, and yes I have high MMR as I have continously gotten 3 and 4ks since it changed. Do I get some games where they wreck me? Sure but that's expected and I don't think anything is wrong with that. But I never camp and tunnel.
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In the last dev stream, they actually admitted they ARE working on ways to punish camping. Not proxy end game camping but hard camping. And killers deserve that.
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How is that debatable? Homies spawn on a gen and get to work. I don't spawn with a face camp victim, cuh.
These cats gen rush when they see I am not camping or tunneling regardless. So I start playing to their tempo. If a killer is camping, they do not need to adjust, they were doing gens anyways. This ain't no what came first, the chicken or the egg paradox. Survivors gonna do gens regardless of what you do. You aren't always going to tunnel regardless of what they do.
Debatable. Lol.
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That's just doing gens. Genrush is something else, unless you think that any time a survivor even touches a gen is immediately 'genrushing'.
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Fair enough, I suppose.
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I see many complaints by other killers saying ds and bt should be deactivated when the last gen is done because they're tired of camping endgame just to lose to bt and ds. I say oh well, survivors definitely deserve counters for all camping.
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DS should probably deactivate if they are on an exit gate. Other than that, I agree.
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Downing survivor with active DS in the exit is a free escape.
As I have mentioned before camping is really an issue in case of Bubba that’s where it is impossible to make a safe save.
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Yea that's a great idea.....Killers have been saying how SWF squads have major advantages over Killers how uneven it is and how the fun is sucked right out of the game once a SWF takes the field. But SoloQ survivors wine louder saying SoloQs need buffed because they cant compete with SWFs..... if they buff SoloQs it will make it worse to play Killers and more will go on strike and the wait times will be even worse.
Mods or Devs if you are reading this forum post please think about the balance for both Survivors and Killers. Don't let DbD go the way of so many other games where the Devs didn't care about the game.
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I do not understand your problem.
Tunneling is generaly a way that I do not like to play. Yes it costs me a few matches if I would count "wins" by the number of kills. However I just have more fun not using this. MMR adjusts to my playstyle by giving me survivors who I can beat with this attitude. Less Kills means less MMR and this progress will continue until I hit a level where I can get good results my way.
Camper and tunnler go up on the ladder and rightfully so. If you "play to win" this is a strategy that you can go for. I just hope you never complain about SWFs who also do their best to win.
And this is how it is supposed to be: Causual BBQ-Players like me face less organized surivors and camping/tunneling players who want to go up the ladder face the better SWFs. Seems fine for me.
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Or remove killers and make it Swf vs Swf. I would like to see how survivors fight each other when they can't blame killers anymore 🤣😈
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Yes, they did, but they haven’t given any idea as to what route they’d go down to achieving Like a lot of empty promises, this can turn out to be no different, so don’t get your hopes up.
Barring teleporting hooks, I don’t think camping will ever be removed.
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they said they were making camping less punishable for survivors. not punishing killers.
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If they make anything that punishes killers for camping, survivors are gonna just abuse it like the other times. The devs need to be careful with whatever they come up with.
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They've tried dealing with camping several times and it never makes it to live because their solution always ends up being something survivors can abuse. I'll hold my breath on this next fix working.
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Disagree. Neither is better or worse than the other; the fact is, if you lose to a camper you got thoroughly outplayed; he gambled that your team wouldn't do gens and the survivors made his gamble pay off.
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yup, exactly
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I'm a main survivor and I have to say I don't care if I get facecamped or tunneled. The reason why is I was a realy one and started to get the hang of it. When I can loop a killer for 3-5 gens I just take the camping as an badge of honor 😀
When I play killer and that happens more often then I like. I try to avoid tunneling but if he/she runs in front of my nose I won't say no to the hit 😆
What I ,since I started 2017, never did and never will do is camping. I take the fun of the game from me and the other guy.
But it's true that we have survivors who like to get to you. And I hate it as survivor and then I help him.
Cause the game got toxic anough. And yes when I outplayed the killer and he was a nice guy. At the end I give him the kill.
And there are a lot of survivor who do this. And therfore there are a lot of killer who do it.
Last Match I had a Steve who cuddled up with my pig but never blocked me. It was kinda cute.
So why complaining at tactics you can outplay with just doing your objective and win the game at the end or trying to be smarter then the camper.
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Then don’t get on here and complain when all you run into is DS/Unbreakable
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