USELESS! (pt1: addons)

This looks fun. Lets drop a couple of Freddys here as well.

Movement Speed Add-ons

• Garden Rake
• Prototype Claws
• Paint thinner

There is no reason to run these add-ons. The movement boost is completely pointless since it only benefits Freddy during the dream transition, before the survivors fall asleep.

Slowdown Add-ons

• Outdoor Rope
• Swing Chains
• Jump Rope

These add-ons might be more useful if Self-Care didn't wake survivors up. Not as bad as the movement speed ones though since they do somewhat help with Freddies stall, even if he doesn't need it.

Black Box

The only reason to run this add-on is to tunnel the Obsession with Dying Light or Remember Me. Outside that it's completely pointless and is far outclassed by every other add-on later on in the trial.

TAG said:

Speshul_Kitten said:

TAG said:

Speshul_Kitten said:

I think these add-ons should stay. Just because you have almost 200 or whatever doesn’t mean the person who started last week does. 

My my proposal would be to leave these add-ons but as you reach a certain rank, they become less and less available or even nonexistent. 

Example:

Rank 14-20, all add-ons and items available

Rank 9-12: no more of the more common/basic add-ons and items such as clamps, slightly increased stalking speed, etc.

Rank 5-8: no more padded jaws, plaid flannel, etc.

Rank 1-4: no common add-ons except for things such as toolbox, medkit, common trapper add-ons and other viable add-ons, etc.

Why not just, like, make some of them better?

The only ones that need rework are ones that don’t offer much benefit for the cost of their rarity.

One could argue the really bad commons don't offer enough benefit for their cost.

TAG said:

Speshul_Kitten said:

Johns Medical File and Shattered Syringe still work wel in red ranks when I play with her. I’m sure a Rank 15 wouldn’t have a hard time making use of them. Try another?

I could in theory see a case made for John's Medical File at low ranks, but Shattered Syringe?  Absolutely not.

What about the others I mentioned?

EDIT: Let me put it to you this way: If the two individuad add-ons were worth using, then why would an add-on that combines them both with no downside only cost 1000 BP more + only be an uncommon?

Unnamed_Freak said:

@Dokta_Carter said:
Unnamed_Freak said:

Legion :

Iredescent Button

Doctor :

Scrapped Tape

Clown :

Kerosene Can

Tatto's Middle Finger

I've used Iredecent Button a few matches. It gives you a good feeling of the survivors IMO

But other then that its pretty useless

Yeah, like breaking pallets instantly is pointless because why the hell would you go back to the pallet when you could be chasing someone. The map wide Terror Radius is crap because there's no way in hell you can get on the other side of the map in one use of Frenzy.

DwightsLifeMatters said:

Speshul_Kitten said:

Unnamed_Freak said:

@Dokta_Carter said:
Unnamed_Freak said:

Legion :

Iredescent Button

Doctor :

Scrapped Tape

Clown :

Kerosene Can

Tatto's Middle Finger

I've used Iredecent Button a few matches. It gives you a good feeling of the survivors IMO

But other then that its pretty useless

Yeah, like breaking pallets instantly is pointless because why the hell would you go back to the pallet when you could be chasing someone. The map wide Terror Radius is crap because there's no way in hell you can get on the other side of the map in one use of Frenzy.

The map wide Terror radius is awesome if you have Colorphobia, I’ve been using that on my Legion build. Think outside the box.  

Optimal survivors don't heal against Legion tho 

I've seen people use John's Medical File and Blind Warrior Mud and they were good killers. The rest yea they are pretty worthless.

@TAG said:
What I'm saying is that if an add-on that both slightly decreases Ambush Charge time and missed Ambush cooldown is worth 4000 BP, then an add-on that does one or the ither can't be worth more than 2000.  Therefore, there's no way the Syringe and the Medical File can be worth what you spend in BPs to obtain them.

That depends how you interpret "slightly". The wiki states that JMF "Decreases the charge time by 50 %" and VT "Decreases the charge time to 0.5 seconds" and the order matters AFAIK. That means if you use them in combination, JMF first then VT, you should have a super fast charge time.

@TAG said:
thesuicidefox said:
Black Box is very strong, but only works if you have the right build. And it has no use outside the start of the trial. I wouldn't say it's useless, more that it's just a very particular and specific use at which it excels greatly.

What is the right build, out of curiosity?  I've never had a chance to use the Black Box.

I did a build I called "Class Reunion". It's Rancor, Remember Me, and NOED, with Black Box and Class Photo. I also had Blood Warden but I think Brutal Strength would be more useful because no one has gotten the gates open with this build. Oh and you MUST offer a shroud. If you don't the obsession could spawn with someone and wake up. It also makes the game spoopy because when survivors see BB and secret offering, they think Dying Light and mori. Nah.

Literally all you do is chase the obsession all game. Make them drop pallets, which is why I say use BS instead of BW. Get 6 tokens of RM. Let them DS you, drop reset them all the time (even better if you let others pallet slam or FL you, then they think they are winning). Once the gates power 1 of 2 things happen. First scenario, the obsession doesn't have Adrenaline, you smack them down and mori them. Second scenario, obsession DOES have Adrenaline, you sleep them, see where everyone is, then smacked them down and mori them. Then you just circle the gates until you find someone, sleep them and use CP to find everyone else (if it was a scenario 2 you can just do this part much faster). Once they are all asleep there is no doing the gates (with 6 tokens and asleep it would take 100 seconds), slug them with NOED. Easy 4k, obsession gets mori with no hooks. Everyone else gen rushes only to get 1 hooked at end game.

You totally could use something else instead of BB for this, but BB with the shroud makes it spoopy, which causes survivors to gen rush and ignore totems, exactly what you want them to do while you and the obsession pal around all game.

@Mc_Harty said:
Baiscally anything with Dying Light and a Mori. You can chose to run Remember Me if you want, though you need to get more hits against the obsession.

No you don't want to run BB and DL together. It's usually a dead giveaway, and since you probably offered a mori too that means the obsession could spawn with someone and wake up. And if survivors are smart they will go out of their way to save this person. The last time I used this build, I literally chased a Meg until gates were open before I got my mori. She had DS, Adren, and insta-heal (a syringe she brought into the game but gave to someone else when the trial started, I could see her drop it), someone saved with a flashlight, and she was crazy good at looping. She did it because I used BB and DL, she knew immediately what was going on and countered it perfectly. She died but everyone lived against a build I thought was impossible to beat.

Now I use Class Photo and Zblock on my DL build with Ruin, Haunted Ground, and PWYF. Pretty sure this one is actually impossible to escape, through gates at least. CP is better for DL because it has use through the entire trial and it doesn't immediately give away your build while letting you quickly find the obsession.