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USELESS! (pt1: addons)

DwightsLifeMatters
DwightsLifeMatters Member Posts: 1,649
edited January 2019 in General Discussions
Alright devs, these are Addons which nearly no-one is using. They are absolutely useless and are floating Bloodwebs. Either rework them so we don't spend bloodpoints into useless stuff we never use, or completely remove them so we get a least bloodwebs with stuff we will use. I'm hitting the 200 mark of nearly every addon I mentioned and the number keeps growing. I'm not the only one. This list contains Killer and survivor item addons.


Myers:
Blonde Hair
Reflective fragment
Hair brush 
Glass fragment 
Mirror shard 
Vanity Mirror

Huntress:
Amanita Toxin
Pungent phial
Glowing concoction 

Nurse:
Plaid Flannel
Kavanagh's last breath
Jenner's last breath 
"Bad Man's" last breath

Trapper:
Padded Jaws

Billy:
Speed Limiter

Leatherface:
Speed Limiter 

Wraith:
"Blind Warrior"-Mud

Pig
Workshop Grease
John's Medical File
Shattered Syringe
Razor Wire
Utility Blades
Interlocking Razor
Amanda's Secret

Freddy:
Garden Rake
Prototype Claws
Paint thinner

Flashlight:
wide lense

Medkit:
Rubber Gloves
Sponge

Toolbox:
Spring Clamp
Protective Gloves
Grip Wrench

Key:
just remove this item please.

Map:
its completely useless, needs an entire rework or just remove it.
Post edited by DwightsLifeMatters on

Comments

  • Speshul_Kitten
    Speshul_Kitten Member Posts: 1,861
    ######### why is hairbow on there for MM? It’s one of his better add-ons. Stop trying to change balanced killers.
  • DwightsLifeMatters
    DwightsLifeMatters Member Posts: 1,649
    edited January 2019
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    ######### why is hairbow on there for MM? It’s one of his better add-ons. Stop trying to change balanced killers.
    I did a mistake, edited out. Calm down bud
  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
    Where is Pig?  A lot of her add-ons are not good.
  • DwightsLifeMatters
    DwightsLifeMatters Member Posts: 1,649
    TAG said:
    Where is Pig?  A lot of her add-ons are not good.
    I haven't played pig a lot with addons, I mainly use her strong addons or none. I assume ur a pig main, so u have more experience than me for sure. Tell me the addons which are useless and I will add them
  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
    edited January 2019
    DwightsLifeMatters said:I haven't played pig a lot with addons, I mainly use her strong addons or none. I assume ur a pig main, so u have more experience than me for sure. Tell me the addons which are useless and I will add them
    Workshop Grease
    John's Medical File
    Shattered Syringe
    Razor Wire
    Utility Blades
    Interlocking Razor
    Amanda's Secret
    ^
    These are the ones I'm sure most Pig mains will tell you are not worth using as they currently are.  There are a few others I would also throw on that list Face Mask, Rusty Attachments, Slow-Release Toxin, and Amanda's Letter, but I'd probably want more experienced Pig mains to chime in and paint a better picture before adding those on the list.
  • Speshul_Kitten
    Speshul_Kitten Member Posts: 1,861
    I think these add-ons should stay. Just because you have almost 200 or whatever doesn’t mean the person who started last week does. 

    My my proposal would be to leave these add-ons but as you reach a certain rank, they become less and less available or even nonexistent. 

    Example:

    Rank 14-20, all add-ons and items available

    Rank 9-12: no more of the more common/basic add-ons and items such as clamps, slightly increased stalking speed, etc.

    Rank 5-8: no more padded jaws, plaid flannel, etc.

    Rank 1-4: no common add-ons except for things such as toolbox, medkit, common trapper add-ons and other viable add-ons, etc.
  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    I think these add-ons should stay. Just because you have almost 200 or whatever doesn’t mean the person who started last week does. 

    My my proposal would be to leave these add-ons but as you reach a certain rank, they become less and less available or even nonexistent. 

    Example:

    Rank 14-20, all add-ons and items available

    Rank 9-12: no more of the more common/basic add-ons and items such as clamps, slightly increased stalking speed, etc.

    Rank 5-8: no more padded jaws, plaid flannel, etc.

    Rank 1-4: no common add-ons except for things such as toolbox, medkit, common trapper add-ons and other viable add-ons, etc.
    Why not just, like, make some of them better?
  • Speshul_Kitten
    Speshul_Kitten Member Posts: 1,861
    TAG said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    I think these add-ons should stay. Just because you have almost 200 or whatever doesn’t mean the person who started last week does. 

    My my proposal would be to leave these add-ons but as you reach a certain rank, they become less and less available or even nonexistent. 

    Example:

    Rank 14-20, all add-ons and items available

    Rank 9-12: no more of the more common/basic add-ons and items such as clamps, slightly increased stalking speed, etc.

    Rank 5-8: no more padded jaws, plaid flannel, etc.

    Rank 1-4: no common add-ons except for things such as toolbox, medkit, common trapper add-ons and other viable add-ons, etc.
    Why not just, like, make some of them better?
    The only ones that need rework are ones that don’t offer much benefit for the cost of their rarity.
  • Mc_Harty
    Mc_Harty Member Posts: 3,293
    edited January 2019

    This looks fun. Lets drop a couple of Freddys here as well.

    Movement Speed Add-ons

    • Garden Rake
    • Prototype Claws
    • Paint thinner

    There is no reason to run these add-ons. The movement boost is completely pointless since it only benefits Freddy during the dream transition, before the survivors fall asleep.

    Slowdown Add-ons

    • Outdoor Rope
    • Swing Chains
    • Jump Rope

    These add-ons might be more useful if Self-Care didn't wake survivors up. Not as bad as the movement speed ones though since they do somewhat help with Freddies stall, even if he doesn't need it.

    Black Box

    The only reason to run this add-on is to tunnel the Obsession with Dying Light or Remember Me. Outside that it's completely pointless and is far outclassed by every other add-on later on in the trial.

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    TAG said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    I think these add-ons should stay. Just because you have almost 200 or whatever doesn’t mean the person who started last week does. 

    My my proposal would be to leave these add-ons but as you reach a certain rank, they become less and less available or even nonexistent. 

    Example:

    Rank 14-20, all add-ons and items available

    Rank 9-12: no more of the more common/basic add-ons and items such as clamps, slightly increased stalking speed, etc.

    Rank 5-8: no more padded jaws, plaid flannel, etc.

    Rank 1-4: no common add-ons except for things such as toolbox, medkit, common trapper add-ons and other viable add-ons, etc.
    Why not just, like, make some of them better?
    The only ones that need rework are ones that don’t offer much benefit for the cost of their rarity.
    One could argue the really bad commons don't offer enough benefit for their cost.
  • Speshul_Kitten
    Speshul_Kitten Member Posts: 1,861
    TAG said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    TAG said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    I think these add-ons should stay. Just because you have almost 200 or whatever doesn’t mean the person who started last week does. 

    My my proposal would be to leave these add-ons but as you reach a certain rank, they become less and less available or even nonexistent. 

    Example:

    Rank 14-20, all add-ons and items available

    Rank 9-12: no more of the more common/basic add-ons and items such as clamps, slightly increased stalking speed, etc.

    Rank 5-8: no more padded jaws, plaid flannel, etc.

    Rank 1-4: no common add-ons except for things such as toolbox, medkit, common trapper add-ons and other viable add-ons, etc.
    Why not just, like, make some of them better?
    The only ones that need rework are ones that don’t offer much benefit for the cost of their rarity.
    One could argue the really bad commons don't offer enough benefit for their cost.
    Name a few? I’m sure they’re viable in the lower ranks.
  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    TAG said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    TAG said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    I think these add-ons should stay. Just because you have almost 200 or whatever doesn’t mean the person who started last week does. 

    My my proposal would be to leave these add-ons but as you reach a certain rank, they become less and less available or even nonexistent. 

    Example:

    Rank 14-20, all add-ons and items available

    Rank 9-12: no more of the more common/basic add-ons and items such as clamps, slightly increased stalking speed, etc.

    Rank 5-8: no more padded jaws, plaid flannel, etc.

    Rank 1-4: no common add-ons except for things such as toolbox, medkit, common trapper add-ons and other viable add-ons, etc.
    Why not just, like, make some of them better?
    The only ones that need rework are ones that don’t offer much benefit for the cost of their rarity.
    One could argue the really bad commons don't offer enough benefit for their cost.
    Name a few? I’m sure they’re viable in the lower ranks.
    Off the top of my head, All the Pig commons except Combat Straps, Smelly Insoles, and Chainsaw File.

  • Speshul_Kitten
    Speshul_Kitten Member Posts: 1,861
    Johns Medical File and Shattered Syringe still work wel in red ranks when I play with her. I’m sure a Rank 15 wouldn’t have a hard time making use of them. Try another?
  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
    edited January 2019
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    Johns Medical File and Shattered Syringe still work wel in red ranks when I play with her. I’m sure a Rank 15 wouldn’t have a hard time making use of them. Try another?
    I could in theory see a case made for John's Medical File at low ranks, but Shattered Syringe?  Absolutely not.

    What about the others I mentioned?

    EDIT: Let me put it to you this way: If the two individuad add-ons were worth using, then why would an add-on that combines them both with no downside only cost 1000 BP more + only be an uncommon?
    Post edited by TAG on
  • Speshul_Kitten
    Speshul_Kitten Member Posts: 1,861
    TAG said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    Johns Medical File and Shattered Syringe still work wel in red ranks when I play with her. I’m sure a Rank 15 wouldn’t have a hard time making use of them. Try another?
    I could in theory see a case made for John's Medical File at low ranks, but Shattered Syringe?  Absolutely not.

    What about the others I mentioned?

    EDIT: Let me put it to you this way: If the two individuad add-ons were worth using, then why would an add-on that combines them both with no downside only cost 1000 BP more + only be an uncommon?
    “Only 1,000 more” actually means that you’d be spending/saving anywhere from 1000-30000 BP in the bloodweb. If you always want to have good add-ons such as the one that combines them both don’t overuse them on easy games. I use common add-ons that aren’t AS effective but still allow me to play great on high ranks. Not to mention you don’t have to use two common add-ons together.
  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
    edited January 2019
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    TAG said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    Johns Medical File and Shattered Syringe still work wel in red ranks when I play with her. I’m sure a Rank 15 wouldn’t have a hard time making use of them. Try another?
    I could in theory see a case made for John's Medical File at low ranks, but Shattered Syringe?  Absolutely not.

    What about the others I mentioned?

    EDIT: Let me put it to you this way: If the two individuad add-ons were worth using, then why would an add-on that combines them both with no downside only cost 1000 BP more + only be an uncommon?
    “Only 1,000 more” actually means that you’d be spending/saving anywhere from 1000-30000 BP in the bloodweb. If you always want to have good add-ons such as the one that combines them both don’t overuse them on easy games. I use common add-ons that aren’t AS effective but still allow me to play great on high ranks. Not to mention you don’t have to use two common add-ons together.
    What I'm saying is that if an add-on that both slightly decreases Ambush Charge time and missed Ambush cooldown is worth 4000 BP, then an add-on that does one or the ither can't be worth more than 2000.  Therefore, there's no way the Syringe and the Medical File can be worth what you spend in BPs to obtain them.
  • Swiftblade131
    Swiftblade131 Member Posts: 2,053

    Billy Ultra Rares when. :cry:

  • Unnamed_Freak
    Unnamed_Freak Member Posts: 570

    Legion :
    Iredescent Button

    Doctor :
    Scrapped Tape

    Clown :
    Kerosene Can
    Tatto's Middle Finger

  • Dokta_Carter
    Dokta_Carter Member Posts: 614
    Unnamed_Freak said:

    Legion :
    Iredescent Button

    Doctor :
    Scrapped Tape

    Clown :
    Kerosene Can
    Tatto's Middle Finger

    I've used Iredecent Button a few matches. It gives you a good feeling of the survivors IMO

    But other then that its pretty useless
  • Unnamed_Freak
    Unnamed_Freak Member Posts: 570

    @Dokta_Carter said:
    Unnamed_Freak said:

    Legion :

    Iredescent Button

    Doctor :

    Scrapped Tape

    Clown :

    Kerosene Can

    Tatto's Middle Finger

    I've used Iredecent Button a few matches. It gives you a good feeling of the survivors IMO

    But other then that its pretty useless

    Yeah, like breaking pallets instantly is pointless because why the hell would you go back to the pallet when you could be chasing someone. The map wide Terror Radius is crap because there's no way in hell you can get on the other side of the map in one use of Frenzy.

  • Dokta_Carter
    Dokta_Carter Member Posts: 614
    Unnamed_Freak said:

    @Dokta_Carter said:
    Unnamed_Freak said:

    Legion :

    Iredescent Button

    Doctor :

    Scrapped Tape

    Clown :

    Kerosene Can

    Tatto's Middle Finger

    I've used Iredecent Button a few matches. It gives you a good feeling of the survivors IMO

    But other then that its pretty useless

    Yeah, like breaking pallets instantly is pointless because why the hell would you go back to the pallet when you could be chasing someone. The map wide Terror Radius is crap because there's no way in hell you can get on the other side of the map in one use of Frenzy.

    I have hit someone before a pallet and they dropped it right after(and was out of its hit area) maybe that's what its for?
  • Unnamed_Freak
    Unnamed_Freak Member Posts: 570

    @Dokta_Carter said:
    Unnamed_Freak said:

    @Dokta_Carter said:

    Unnamed_Freak said:

    Legion :

Iredescent Button

Doctor :

Scrapped Tape

Clown :

Kerosene Can

Tatto's Middle Finger



I've used Iredecent Button a few matches. It gives you a good feeling of the survivors IMO

    But other then that its pretty useless

    Yeah, like breaking pallets instantly is pointless because why the hell would you go back to the pallet when you could be chasing someone. The map wide Terror Radius is crap because there's no way in hell you can get on the other side of the map in one use of Frenzy.

    I have hit someone before a pallet and they dropped it right after(and was out of its hit area) maybe that's what its for?

    If that is the intended way to use the addon, then it's trash since most times when you hit someone with Feral Frenzy they are not close to a pallet.

  • Speshul_Kitten
    Speshul_Kitten Member Posts: 1,861
    Unnamed_Freak said:

    @Dokta_Carter said:
    Unnamed_Freak said:

    Legion :

    Iredescent Button

    Doctor :

    Scrapped Tape

    Clown :

    Kerosene Can

    Tatto's Middle Finger

    I've used Iredecent Button a few matches. It gives you a good feeling of the survivors IMO

    But other then that its pretty useless

    Yeah, like breaking pallets instantly is pointless because why the hell would you go back to the pallet when you could be chasing someone. The map wide Terror Radius is crap because there's no way in hell you can get on the other side of the map in one use of Frenzy.

    The map wide Terror radius is awesome if you have Colorphobia, I’ve been using that on my Legion build. Think outside the box.  
  • DwightsLifeMatters
    DwightsLifeMatters Member Posts: 1,649
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    Unnamed_Freak said:

    @Dokta_Carter said:
    Unnamed_Freak said:

    Legion :

    Iredescent Button

    Doctor :

    Scrapped Tape

    Clown :

    Kerosene Can

    Tatto's Middle Finger

    I've used Iredecent Button a few matches. It gives you a good feeling of the survivors IMO

    But other then that its pretty useless

    Yeah, like breaking pallets instantly is pointless because why the hell would you go back to the pallet when you could be chasing someone. The map wide Terror Radius is crap because there's no way in hell you can get on the other side of the map in one use of Frenzy.

    The map wide Terror radius is awesome if you have Colorphobia, I’ve been using that on my Legion build. Think outside the box.  
    Optimal survivors don't heal against Legion tho 
  • Speshul_Kitten
    Speshul_Kitten Member Posts: 1,861
    DwightsLifeMatters said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    Unnamed_Freak said:

    @Dokta_Carter said:
    Unnamed_Freak said:

    Legion :

    Iredescent Button

    Doctor :

    Scrapped Tape

    Clown :

    Kerosene Can

    Tatto's Middle Finger

    I've used Iredecent Button a few matches. It gives you a good feeling of the survivors IMO

    But other then that its pretty useless

    Yeah, like breaking pallets instantly is pointless because why the hell would you go back to the pallet when you could be chasing someone. The map wide Terror Radius is crap because there's no way in hell you can get on the other side of the map in one use of Frenzy.

    The map wide Terror radius is awesome if you have Colorphobia, I’ve been using that on my Legion build. Think outside the box.  
    Optimal survivors don't heal against Legion tho 
    Good for Legion, only two hits for a down then.
  • Unnamed_Freak
    Unnamed_Freak Member Posts: 570
    edited January 2019

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    DwightsLifeMatters said:


    Speshul_Kitten said:


    Unnamed_Freak said:

    @Dokta_Carter said:

    Unnamed_Freak said:

    Legion :

Iredescent Button

Doctor :

Scrapped Tape

Clown :

Kerosene Can

Tatto's Middle Finger



I've used Iredecent Button a few matches. It gives you a good feeling of the survivors IMO

    But other then that its pretty useless

    Yeah, like breaking pallets instantly is pointless because why the hell would you go back to the pallet when you could be chasing someone. The map wide Terror Radius is crap because there's no way in hell you can get on the other side of the map in one use of Frenzy.

    The map wide Terror radius is awesome if you have Colorphobia, I’ve been using that on my Legion build. Think outside the box.  

    Optimal survivors don't heal against Legion tho 

    Good for Legion, only two hits for a down then.

    With 110% movement speed on maps like Autohaven or MacMillan you are never going to down someone, unless they are potatoes.

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    Good for Legion, only two hits for a down then.
    I'm assuming when you say "down," you mean sacrifice, right?
  • Speshul_Kitten
    Speshul_Kitten Member Posts: 1,861
    Hits as in frenzy hits
  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
    edited January 2019
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    Hits as in frenzy hits
    Oh.  So, like, every other Killer?
  • Chi
    Chi Member Posts: 781

    Pig
    Workshop Grease (Eh, it is a common addon.)
    John's Medical File (Nope, quite useful.)
    Shattered Syringe (Nope, super useful)
    Razor Wire (Works well in a gross Pig build.)
    Utility Blades (Works well with Bloodhound.)
    Interlocking Razor (Works well with Razor Wire, again disgusting build lol.)
    Amanda's Secret (Yes, this addon is actually completely useless. I can't stand getting it in my bloodweb.)

  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,223
    edited January 2019

    I've seen people use John's Medical File and Blind Warrior Mud and they were good killers. The rest yea they are pretty worthless.

    @TAG said:
    What I'm saying is that if an add-on that both slightly decreases Ambush Charge time and missed Ambush cooldown is worth 4000 BP, then an add-on that does one or the ither can't be worth more than 2000.  Therefore, there's no way the Syringe and the Medical File can be worth what you spend in BPs to obtain them.

    That depends how you interpret "slightly". The wiki states that JMF "Decreases the charge time by 50 %" and VT "Decreases the charge time to 0.5 seconds" and the order matters AFAIK. That means if you use them in combination, JMF first then VT, you should have a super fast charge time.

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
    edited January 2019
    Chi said:

    Pig
    Workshop Grease (Eh, it is a common addon.)
    John's Medical File (Nope, quite useful.)
    Shattered Syringe (Nope, super useful)
    Razor Wire (Works well in a gross Pig build.)
    Utility Blades (Works well with Bloodhound.)
    Interlocking Razor (Works well with Razor Wire, again disgusting build lol.)
    Amanda's Secret (Yes, this addon is actually completely useless. I can't stand getting it in my bloodweb.)

    None of these are worth using IMO.  The only one I couls barely see a case being made for is John's Medical File.  Bleeding is nigh useless, none of the ones that modify Skill Checks are good on anyone who doesn't suck at them, and Shattered Syringe is definitely not good enough by itself as an individual add-on.
  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
    thesuicidefox said:
    That depends how you interpret "slightly". The wiki states that JMF "Decreases the charge time by 50 %" and VT "Decreases the charge time to 0.5 seconds" and the order matters AFAIK. That means if you use them in combination, JMF first then VT, you should have a super fast charge time.
    My guess is that both JMF and VT decrease charge time by the same amount and it does not matter which order you use them in.
  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,223
    edited January 2019

    @Mc_Harty said:
    This looks fun. Lets drop a couple of Freddys here as well.

    Movement Speed Add-ons

    • Garden Rake
    • Prototype Claws
    • Paint thinner

    There is no reason to run these add-ons. The movement boost is completely pointless since it only benefits Freddy during the dream transition, before the survivors fall asleep.

    Slowdown Add-ons

    • Outdoor Rope
    • Swing Chains
    • Jump Rope

    These add-ons might be more useful if Self-Care didn't wake survivors up. Not as bad as the movement speed ones though since they do somewhat help with Freddies stall, even if he doesn't need it.

    Black Box

    The only reason to run this add-on is to tunnel the Obsession with Dying Light or Remember Me. Outside that it's completely pointless and is far outclassed by every other add-on later on in the trial.

    I disagree slightly that speed add-ons are bad. At first I thought he got a speed boost, but what actually happens is when you hit a survivor with DD you slow down. These add-ons reduce that slow down. PT by itself will make you move at normal speed, and if you stack rake/claws you do get a very slight speed boost for a moment, which can let you outrun them to a pallet or something. The problem is that this value is so minimal compared to blocks or other stuff, and he is such a weak killer that you need strong stuff. I could see it being worth it for a particular type of build though.

    Slowdown add-ons I agree are pointless. If you run perks like Thanatophobia or Dying Light they do what these add-ons do but outside of DW too. And no one does stuff in DW to make progress they do it to wake up. The only prop in the game its worth using for is the exit gate if you do an endgame build, but again the value isn't worth having over other add-ons.

    Black Box is very strong, but only works if you have the right build. And it has no use outside the start of the trial. I wouldn't say it's useless, more that it's just a very particular and specific use at which it excels greatly.

  • Bravo0413
    Bravo0413 Member Posts: 3,647
    I really wish they would just put in a sell option and then create more addons that are creative and fun to use in the near future 
  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
    thesuicidefox said:
    Black Box is very strong, but only works if you have the right build. And it has no use outside the start of the trial. I wouldn't say it's useless, more that it's just a very particular and specific use at which it excels greatly.
    What is the right build, out of curiosity?  I've never had a chance to use the Black Box.
  • Causticwit75
    Causticwit75 Member Posts: 32

    Chainsaw Speed Limiters are fun and definately have a place in the game. Especially if you are learning Billy or Leatherface and actually want to get more practice with saws in a match. Or if you just wanna meme. Nothing feels worse than a 4k by Scott Jund on a speedlimiter LF, trust :P

  • Mc_Harty
    Mc_Harty Member Posts: 3,293

    @TAG said:
    What is the right build, out of curiosity?  I've never had a chance to use the Black Box.

    Baiscally anything with Dying Light and a Mori. You can chose to run Remember Me if you want, though you need to get more hits against the obsession.

    Outside of that it's pretty useless and easily countered.

  • Mister_xD
    Mister_xD Member Posts: 7,669

    padded jaws, the beast and speed limiter are suposed to be weak, therefore give more BP.

    they are fine.
    maybe the speedlimiter could get buffed so it gives 100% more BP for the chainsaw.

  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,223

    @TAG said:
    My guess is that both JMF and VT decrease charge time by the same amount and it does not matter which order you use them in.

    That could be true but there are a lot of weird variables in this game. Slightly on one add-on is not the same as slightly on another.

    Also I have played against Pig's that use these together and they were able to get a lot of spoopy ambush hits just because you couldn't react in time it was so fast. JML is definitely not useless is my point. The rest on the list, yea pretty much.

  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,223
    edited January 2019

    @TAG said:
    thesuicidefox said:
    Black Box is very strong, but only works if you have the right build. And it has no use outside the start of the trial. I wouldn't say it's useless, more that it's just a very particular and specific use at which it excels greatly.

    What is the right build, out of curiosity?  I've never had a chance to use the Black Box.

    I did a build I called "Class Reunion". It's Rancor, Remember Me, and NOED, with Black Box and Class Photo. I also had Blood Warden but I think Brutal Strength would be more useful because no one has gotten the gates open with this build. Oh and you MUST offer a shroud. If you don't the obsession could spawn with someone and wake up. It also makes the game spoopy because when survivors see BB and secret offering, they think Dying Light and mori. Nah.

    Literally all you do is chase the obsession all game. Make them drop pallets, which is why I say use BS instead of BW. Get 6 tokens of RM. Let them DS you, drop reset them all the time (even better if you let others pallet slam or FL you, then they think they are winning). Once the gates power 1 of 2 things happen. First scenario, the obsession doesn't have Adrenaline, you smack them down and mori them. Second scenario, obsession DOES have Adrenaline, you sleep them, see where everyone is, then smacked them down and mori them. Then you just circle the gates until you find someone, sleep them and use CP to find everyone else (if it was a scenario 2 you can just do this part much faster). Once they are all asleep there is no doing the gates (with 6 tokens and asleep it would take 100 seconds), slug them with NOED. Easy 4k, obsession gets mori with no hooks. Everyone else gen rushes only to get 1 hooked at end game.

    You totally could use something else instead of BB for this, but BB with the shroud makes it spoopy, which causes survivors to gen rush and ignore totems, exactly what you want them to do while you and the obsession pal around all game.

    @Mc_Harty said:
    Baiscally anything with Dying Light and a Mori. You can chose to run Remember Me if you want, though you need to get more hits against the obsession.

    No you don't want to run BB and DL together. It's usually a dead giveaway, and since you probably offered a mori too that means the obsession could spawn with someone and wake up. And if survivors are smart they will go out of their way to save this person. The last time I used this build, I literally chased a Meg until gates were open before I got my mori. She had DS, Adren, and insta-heal (a syringe she brought into the game but gave to someone else when the trial started, I could see her drop it), someone saved with a flashlight, and she was crazy good at looping. She did it because I used BB and DL, she knew immediately what was going on and countered it perfectly. She died but everyone lived against a build I thought was impossible to beat.

    Now I use Class Photo and Zblock on my DL build with Ruin, Haunted Ground, and PWYF. Pretty sure this one is actually impossible to escape, through gates at least. CP is better for DL because it has use through the entire trial and it doesn't immediately give away your build while letting you quickly find the obsession.

  • DwightsLifeMatters
    DwightsLifeMatters Member Posts: 1,649
    Mister_xD said:

    padded jaws, the beast and speed limiter are suposed to be weak, therefore give more BP.

    they are fine.
    maybe the speedlimiter could get buffed so it gives 100% more BP for the chainsaw.

    As far as I know, they don't give "more" bloodpoints. They just help you to get the 8k points in their specific category faster, that's it. A good killer u can is good as using M1 will reach 8k points (or pretty close to 8k) anyway at the end of the match. So they are useless in terms for bloodpoints AND handicap you during the match
  • DwightsLifeMatters
    DwightsLifeMatters Member Posts: 1,649
    Causticwit75 said:

    Chainsaw Speed Limiters are fun and definately have a place in the game. Especially if you are learning Billy or Leatherface and actually want to get more practice with saws in a match. Or if you just wanna meme. Nothing feels worse than a 4k by Scott Jund on a speedlimiter LF, trust :P

    U r not wrong, but why should someone who's already good with the chainsaw spend points into "training" addons? Waste of bloodpoints and makes grinding just more annoying as it is already.
  • Speshul_Kitten
    Speshul_Kitten Member Posts: 1,861
    TAG said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    Hits as in frenzy hits
    Oh.  So, like, every other Killer?
    Except you can’t counter it. Do you play Legion at all??
  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    TAG said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    Hits as in frenzy hits
    Oh.  So, like, every other Killer?
    Except you can’t counter it. Do you play Legion at all??
    No.  I tried him once or twice but did not like him.