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If the game just favors camp/tunnels, I'll out there help.
Just got tunnelled and facecamped for almost 20 games and it's only getting worse.
People been asking about this and clearly BHVR is not there to fix this, busy making another survivor christmas outfit I guess. But you know what, if they think this is part of the game then I'll be there to help building it.
Long Live the Toxicity!🤘
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Best / Easiest way for killers to get kills now, with all the nerfs and survivor buffs. It is only going to increase.
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Ah yes, fighting toxicity with toxicity. Been there.
It sucks to be a killer now. Try playing both roles and you will see what the issues are.
I don't agree with tunneling and face camping, I personally feel like it's a waste of a match but it seems to be the only way most killers can get anything done now without being steamrolled in every single match.
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Nail on the head has been hit.
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Imagine playing the game the way, you only do just to ruin other's fun. You are the first representation of community's toxicity.
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Sorry but I do my best not to camp and tunnel, as I normally play survivor and know what it is like. However with the game in such bad state, sometimes it is the only way to get kills.
Boons are getting more prevalent and when teams play it's worse. Hits are getting worse, the amount of times I hit somebody only to get the hit animation and survivor still keep running, or hit somebody on a window or pallet and the same thing happens.
Then the MMR puts you in a game with idiots, running around like they don't know what they do, then the next time it's like it's your first time and you are playing a team who knows every loop and can zoom around.
Then you get the players who wants to run you all game while the rest gen rush and has so many perks to keep them alive. Not great players but are saved with op perks and boon totems.
When the game is about getting kills then I do what I can.
When I play survivor of course, these are great and I love everything about the game.
When I always played survivor at the start, I said it was killer sided. Then as I played and got better on both sides, I thought it was equal. The more I play and the higher MMR I get I see that it is survivor sided and getting worse.
Until BHVR do something about hit validation and boon totems, camping and tunnelling will be the main part of the game.
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with the current state of the game can you blame killers for camping and tunneling??
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What are you even talking about? I'm playing both roles at red ranks and as a killer usually play 8 hooks game. I get plenty of BPs even without BBQ, and plenty of fun for both sides. So don't tell me a single hook state is a game changer for you, because it's obviously a lie.
The only problem that can occur is hacker's involvement.
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Exactly what I mentioned about you. The only way for you to "have fun" is to force someone from the game out as soon as possible. Sweatlord. That's the reason even you can't have fun with this type of mentality.
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How much you selling that projector for mate?
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Yes but the shoe can be on the other foot....the only reason tunneling and face camping has become so rampant is due to the last patch. With CoH Killers can juggle survivors like before so now they have to tunnel one survivor at a time just to get a hook, and with the MMR and how its scored Gen Rushing has become a major issue for them. So to make sure they don't de pip or lose alot of MMR score they face camp to just get one to two kills.
I don't agree with it not at all. The only time I ever face camped or tunnel anyone is when it's that one survivor that decided to flashlight stun.....pallet drop me......or just be a thorn in my side the entire game.....so I want to make sure they die.....but just to get kills no I'd rather go 0-4 every match.
So until the Devs realize that all the stuff they have done was switch the power role from Killers to the Survivors and have inadvertently siding with Survivors in a majority of their updates and actually balance the game, tunneling and camping will continue.
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Wait it doesn't oh my now what will I do with my life if my red rank means nothing.....OH. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES!!!!!
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How dare Killers kill? They should only hit Survivors if they consent, otherwise they should help them do the gens. Killers now also have to pay up keep bills on their weapons so they don't break mid Trial
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After so many SWF clicky clicky crews in a row I've given up playing normally. Basement Bubba all day every day. So relaxing, its like fishing
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right!
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These replies lmao
Dont know what else I was expecting
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Im a chill killer, if my survivors start being goofy idiots you can bet ill be a goofy killer, when i se people i belive are new players i always try to chace and give them some chances to mess around, jump on pallets do loops and so on, most of the time i get all kills but i always try to be fair. However as much as i hate tunneling the state of the game its just to frustrating sometimes.
Both CoH and shadow step forces people to be absurdly agresive or tunnel just to take out the boons as soon as posible from the game, most of the time they arent fun to play againts as you are striped of relevant damage or all your information for the chase. Does it suck to have to relay on this tactics? it does, but BHVR needs to get the message that boons right now neather are balanced nor fun to go againts, at least from the killer perspective. Killers are players to, not the dancing monkeys of the survivors
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People always say "You have to camp and tunnel!" But I'm not a particularly great player, and I don't camp and tunnel, and I get 6+ hooks every game, usually with at least 1 sacrifice, often 2 or 3 and sometimes 4. (Don't care enough to try to get that 4th man killed. By then, I've won). I don't even run Ruin or Pop or Corrupt Intervention. (Except on lower tier killers like Pig. Those killers need some serious changes). I never view any game as I have to get a kill. My day isn't ruined if 4 people escape. Not even my game is ruined. For every 4-man escape, there's a nearly equal number of times I get 3+ kills.
Sometimes survivors are just better. And sometimes I make mistakes. I recognize that.
If you want to camp and tunnel, that's fine. Your prerogative. Do what you want. But don't act like you have to do it.
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Because as you are not a particular good player, you are playing at a low MMR where camping and tunneling is not necessary.
How can you expect to understand how the game works talking about your experience while you know you are not playing at a high level ?
You are facing survivors that cannot loop properly, don't do gens optimally and don't know when to save, heal or do gens... Sure you don't need to camp...
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Ahh yes, the ol' MMR Argument. What's your MMR again? Oh right, you don't know. I don't know my own MMR. I get pretty good survivors. They know how to loop, for sure. Maybe you're just not as good as you think if you need to camp and tunnel?
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Hey, if the killer doesnt get a kill after 5 gens are done do you go to him and sacrifice yourself so he can have some fun too or do you teabag and click your flashlight ? Or if the killer chases away one survivor from gen that is 80% completed do you finish it or do you go start a new one? You are the representation of hypocritical entitled survivor wanting fun just for himself.
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Or maybe you don't even know what a good looper is.
All high MMR streamers have to tunnel to get their kills. Oh you maybe think you are better than some of them right ?
You have said yourself that you are not that good = not high MMR. That's all.
You don't use slow down perks lol... and you still get 4k, we clearly don't have the same survivors, believe me or not idc.
And we take some killers as exemple, let's take high skilled survivor streamers, with the SBMM you can clearly see that killers are not winning anymore... When all gens are done they only have 4 to 5 hooks.
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This thread has ended up like all the other threads on campers and tunnellers.
Lets just get down to the nitty gritty. As a survivor it is a pain being hooked, chased, hooked, chased, hooked and then killed, with no time to do anything else. Its also a pain being hooked then waiting for the save that never comes because the killer is there ready to take vengeance on anybody who dares to come close.
On the otherside, sometimes this is a necessary evil and part of the game. If the killer is new and matched with some expert team, or if the team goes mad with flashlights or boons. Survivors can't moan at the killers for trying to win anyway they can, just like the killer can't moan when the survivors play the way they do to win.
There will always be people who want to have fun by spoiling things for others, it happens in every walk of life. The game is the game, either accept it or move to another game.
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the thing that I don't like what people say is "the killer plays like that to ruin other survivors fun". When that's never the case. Everyone has a different playstyle.
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But people can play how they want. It does not make them toxic
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This is what bhvr wants. Honestly bhvr doing this should be insulting to survivor mains b/c they think you're incompetent gamers to give so many advantages.
If you want bhvr to "fix" camping/tunneling then they need to return the killer to the power role at average level gameplay. Allow survivor mains to win by skill not by holding W or M1 through the match.
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They have been generous to killers the past year. You’re clearly a newer player. Never been an easier time to play killer than now
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The fact that so many people are saying "well killers actually need to camp and tunnel to win any game without being steamrolled" leads me to believe that a lot of killers just aren't as good as they think they are.
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literally every scott video is him actively avoiding tunneling someone for half the match and then pulling a win out of his ass
"but scott is actually facing noob players in every video!!!!"
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If you think this has happened to you that many times,I don't think you know what tunneling and camping are.
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Been playing for two years. Killer main the whole time. This is by far the worst and hardest time to play killer. So many nerfs, and so many survivor buffs.
My experience speaks for itself. The game is much harder than it used to be. Fact.
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I so rarely agree with @BrokenSoul, but dude you're putting me on his side and that's not a good look. You are completely disconnected from reality.
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Anyone that throws the word "toxic" around like a football is the problem. If the only way you can have fun is by forcing your distorted views on how the killer should play then DbD is not for you.
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But does winning by ruining others' fun necessarily HAVE to be how this kind of game works? Do you think the general player base will keep playing if it stays like this, especially if an alternative game comes out that sees it as bad gameplay?
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It's not toxic to kill survivors. And survivors do the same if you chase them of a gen they go back tunneling the same gen instead of starting a new one, because they want to escape. That is the game.
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And I've been playing this for three years starting out as killer main, now I do both. Pallet vacuums, instant blinds and heals, and super DS...yes, now is the easiest killers have ever had.
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Ye you should look more into his videos then lol.
In yesterday's stream, everytime he has won was either because he tunneled, either because survivors threw the game doing dumb things...
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Killer isn't as hard as people say. They want to tunnel and camp, not because they have to, but because it's the easiest thing to do. Just lazy.
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If you think winning a competitive PVP game is an attempt to ruin others fun, then you do not have the mindset to play competitive PVP games.
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You're wrong. So many pallets now, killer nerfs up the wazoo, a poor Matchmaking system, and now Boons. I have never struggled as a killer as much as I do now.
Therefore by very definition and experience, it is harder to play killer now. Fact.
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The game being an unplayable mess that couldn't even do save files correctly at launch isn't an excuse for it to be an unbalanced mess 5 years later. Nor does survivors being unbeatable at launch means that killers are good or powerful now. I've played since beta. It really doesn't feel better now than it did in say 2017, because now people are a lot smarter at the game. Survivors were powerful at launch but people didn't know how to abuse and use every aspect of the game to a scientific T like they do in 2021.
"It used to be unplayable so be happy it's even playable now" isn't a good excuse. Fix the problem entirely.
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Not a fact, @MrsGhostface is correct. 2 years is not very long, you don't know the pain of the early days. Infinites, no window blocking, toolboxes with charges for days etc. Killer is definitely in one of the best places it has ever been, boons have made a little dent in that, but it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be.
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I stand by what I said. Saying the game is better now than at launch is irrelevant and not the point I'm making. I'm saying it is worse for killers now than at any point in the last two years.
I have yet to hear a considered argument to convince me otherwise, as your points again fixate on "the early days".
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I can agree with that, the wording of it made me think you were saying it's harder than it's ever been EVER! Since MMR killer has been a bit dicey for me more than usual :/
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Then I apologise if my words were confusing, or outright misleading.
All I have to compare to is my time playing the game. And that was what I was trying to say. Glad we (sort of) agree then 😃
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I gotcha now no need for apologies! :)
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When you down and hook someone, someone else has to come save them.
With information perks you can tell where to go straight from the hook (Discordance, Tinkerer, or Thrilling all work wonders). If you go and pressure the 1 or 2 survivors elsewhere you now have most of the team preoccupied. There might usually be one person in the background able to do gens.
A lot of you make it sound like it's impossible to do well as Killer by going for multiple people and pressuring gens but I do just that every match and I do just fine. I don't need to face camp to guarantee one kill or use NOED to secure two.
I'm convinced some of you just enjoy ruining the game for others or legitimately don't want to put forth the effort of chasing survivors and honestly why should you since face camp + NOED almost always secures you a 2k / net MMR gain?
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Facecamping NOED Bubba always gets his man for stew LOL
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You can’t “fix” camping or tunnelling without re-balancing the entire game, and considering BHVR think the game is impossible to balance, and have said they’d rather just let people experience the “chaos,” I doubt these strategies are going anywhere any time soon.
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All hail Lord Bubba.
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There are 25 killers. Only 2 or 3 of them can consistently compete at the highest level. That’s 8 to 12%. Being objective, do you think 12% is an acceptable number?
From where I’m sitting, killers have been getting shafted for some time. Even recently Wraith and Deathslinger, two B tier killers, were nerfed out of the blue.
Despite being capable vs average survivors, B tier killers are weak and can’t compete at the highest level.
Do you think it’s good to nerf B tier killers when only 12% of all killers are competitive? Bare in mind B tier killers aren’t even in that 12%.
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