Gotta love these forums
I woke up and decided to go on the forums, first thing I see is this.
Amazing.
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It's 4 bullies on discord, coordinating via voice chat to bully a lone player.
It's impossible for anyone to beat a good coordinated SWF group. They will communicate your location to each other and gen rush you. You can't even waste time chasing someone down, because as they loop you, he's telling the others where he is looping you, while they safely fix gens.
SWF should only be allowed in Custom matches. Go bully your friend Killer. Leave the general public out of your bullying,
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Classic forum experience
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This is so dumb. I guess having fun with friends is ilegal now and is considered bullying
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So is it fun with friends or just an easy way to win? This forum talks about toxicity and unhealthiness alot but which is it? Because I also believe coordinated groups are unfair but people should have the right to play with friends. Why not just make it to where groups of friends can play together but it doesn't count as a ranked game? Seems to be the middle ground here.
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Imagine playing with friends is illegal. Dude you're out of your mind.
But i know, killer mains no friends.
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Thing is.. main point in ‚good coordinated swf‘ is good and coordinated. Solos can do that too if they are all good and play in a team. And SWFs on voice comms can be ‚bad‘ and uncoordinated.
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Sorry for having friends I guess?
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Don't you just love these forums?
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Damn my SWF is trash we get beaten all the time lmao
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Just the same as always. People who are satisfied with the game and just have fun have little reason to go to the forum. Then they see this posts and have even less reason to stay.
Try making a positive thread here about "your favourite chase music" or "biggest improvment since 2020" and you will get maybe one or two positive answeres and a lot of negativ and sarcastic ones. Not that I mind but this is just the way people are.
I make some sarcastic statments myself. It is fun. But trying to post something that is not a complain will just not result in a long thread here.
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So because I play my friends, I’m toxic?
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No, if you play with your friends and are good, than you are toxic.
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Ahh the duality of man.
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Well I’m not good lol
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Than your fine
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So if I want to play DBD with my girlfriend I should have to find two other survivors and a killer to play with?
Imagine thinking 4 friends play together because they want to "bully" killers. You need to go outside, bro.
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I'm pretty sure that first one that was said is against the rules. I hope it got deleted.
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I suspect if they tried to separate queues into “no swfs allowed” and “swfs allowed” it would be terrible for both queues. Something like half of all games involve a swf group of some size, so you’d be bifurcating the survivors between the two pools. And there are a lot of killers who don’t like going against 3-4 person swfs who would just go to the non-swf pool. So you’d end up with longer queue times and worse matchups in both queues because of the lopsidedness.
Personally I think the better long term solution would be buff up solo survivor play so they get some of the same sorts of information on the other survivors that swfs have, like maybe making Kindred a base survivor ability. Then to compensate slow gen progress overall to make up for the overall buff to the survivor side. That would keep matches at about the same game length and such as they currently are but would even the playing field and results between games with 3-4 person swfs and games that are solo or 2-person swfs.
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People should be able to play with their friends, however it can’t be argued that SWF isn’t game-breaking. I mean, alright it can be argued, just not successfully 😁
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They edited the title I believe
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That's what all it's become. When I play solo survivor it feels like I am playing DBD, when I play with friends it feels unfair and bullying. Like to the point we had to make up out of game rules as to not ruin the atmosphere and fun of the game, for us or the Killer we end up against. Most play groups are not going to be that courteous.
Even when you're not going out of your way to bully the killer it still feels humiliating to them. A coordinated flashlight save, pallet save, and coordinated repairing to always be repairing the gen opposite the map where the killer is, or only pulling the killer away from the gen to be worked on. Coordinated hiding. It's just plainly not fun for the Killer - at all, and these are very normal things to do in a SWF, and then get's mistaken as bullying because - on every time I try to chase an injured survivor one after another I get body blocked. Chase a different survivor the ones are already healing and body blocking again. Gens go quickly or steadily as they keep body blocking. When you do finally down someone there is always 1-3 survivors nearby to drop a pallet or get a flashlight save - they always coordinate getting downed in the open so the Killer can't look at a wall. Try slugging, they coordinate unbreakable.
Coordinate Head On hits during chases. Coordinate gens to blast mine, and which ones to complete. Coordinate to avoid a 3 gen.
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This just in, guy getting beat in a video game calls it bullying, more at 9 pm.
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Did you...did you just say people going for head on hits and blast mine using is bullying?
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It's the DbD community, don't expect too much from the forums
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People who make threads like that are just bitter that they have no friends to play with and that everyone is better than them. God forbid people play video games with their friends 0.0
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The amount of likes this has is actually scary.
Then again we know the reputation these forums have and why.
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I do think generator repair speed should be slowed down and regress speed should be sped up. That would alleviate some problems people have with SWF groups. I don't think solo should get any sort of buff though. You're on the right track though.
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You're right. I think the people that play SWF only concern themselves with their fun and not the fun of the killer. That's what I've gathered from the numerous threads I've read on here.
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The way you automatically assume that all 4 players are “bullies” is just cringe and ridiculous. Just because 4 good teammates talk to each other in a game where it’s CLEARLY allowed does not make them “bullies”.
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As a solo q player , I literally don't care about this SWF drama, since I Just suffer alone on low elo MMR hell anyways. At the end of the day, the solo's are the guinea pigs so killers can calm down a bit after being matched with the boohoo scary SWF.
But from my pov SWF aren't fair just because they have the coordination that solo's don't.
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it’s not about selflessly trying to have fun and making sure the killer doesn’t have fun. Most people play with their friends because they probably just enjoy it more than solo.
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That's not what I've read though. Maybe that's how you play with your friends but the majority of threads I've seen on here are are people only concerned with their own fun. I play Killer and Survivor. I have no bias towards either one.
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But it's ok for killer to always bully solos?!
SWF is necessary, unfortunately due to oppressive killers.
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Getting put on a hook is not bullying. It's called gameplay. Please explain.
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I find it funny how whenever the killer talks about tunneling and camping they justify it saying to "play for you fun only don't bother about survivors fun" but if survivors play in a swf because they find it more fun then solo its a problem.
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Except that it’s not a problem IMO.
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I'm not entirely sure the generator speed is too fast actually. The devs are trying to balance the game so the most common results are some survivors live and some die, but that implies the most common result in a match between equal opponents is the gens are completed and the doors are opened. So assuming the game is balanced you should see the gens done most of the time even if you play well assuming the survivors are also playing well.
Now if the game data has that the most common results are instead in the 0-2 survivors killed range in matches between equally high level players then that would indicate the gens are too quick. But if instead the averages are more in that 1-3 range then the gen speeds are probably about where they should be. Without a way to actually look at data summaries of lots of matches, though, it's impossible to actually tell. The only thing you can know for sure is that if you're expecting 50% of your games to end up with the gates closed then you're overestimating how often that should happen. And similarly if in your own games the most common outcomes are 1-3 kills then that would be an indication gens are going at about the right rate.
There is also the complicating factor of how much benefit a SWF gives in terms of survival rate. I recall a couple years ago the devs released some numbers showing that basically being in a 2 person SWF gave about a +3% increased survival chance, 3 person about a +6% chance and 4 person a +10% increase survival chance. So there is a noticeable difference with 3 and especially 4 person SWFS, hence the requests to balance them out with solo players. Fortunately most survivors aren't in 4-person SWFs, but they are probably more prevalent at high level than in the average game.
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10% increased survival rate to who? The SWF playing against a highly skilled killer or the SWF playing against a newbie or a mid tier killer? I think a lot of these posts about SWFs are from the lower tier killers that get matched up with these elite SWF squads. The matchmaking system is subpar.
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4 man slugging, camping, so solos can't do anything.
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Ah ok. I can't imagine that happens that often. I haven't ran into a slugger since last month. The campers I run into are usually newbies or overwhelmed killers trying to get at least 1 kill. Maybe it happens often further up the rankings.
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This was from two years ago, it used the old rank system, and if I recall when the devs posted it they had broken their data down between “all ranks” and “red ranks”. I don’t remember off-hand if the SWF percentage was from all ranks combined or red ranks.
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Whats your defiintion for killer "Bullying"
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if your whole team is getting slugged, it sounds like y'all are just throwing matches.
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