SWF is ruining my experience

Play nurse, doctor, hillbilly and git gud.

@weirdkid5 said:

Sounds to me like prioritization of artistic and balancing integrity over what will make them the most money.

Sounds like you've got no clue how t6o run a business but why not make your own and run it like that and see what happens.

That's all it is. Players would quit this game because it is a collection of people who enjoy exploits, trolling etc. Make that stuff harder to do and this game dies, because the devs failed to keep the original vision in tact.

Yes because everyone wants to troll in this game, the exact same troll excuse used for every argument bashing every game for the last 25 years.

I never said to remove SWF, but splitting the queues is quite doable. I play on games with less population and still have no issues getting players. Also, you would have to consider the influx of hardcore and veteran players that have quit the game over its poor balancing, which I can guarantee is a high amount. Outside of events, this game cannot hold more than 10k people.

But you did say that since most of the playerbase is swf so if you remove them from the equation you kill off your game. You want to have your solo q only well guess what there isn't a large enough player base to support that.

Yes but how many have group play compared to this let alone the population size which you just argued out of both sides of your keyboard. You can't guarantee anything but your own personal bias here since some of those said veterans got banned/stopped playing because things got fixed.

You know the exploits and trolling and infinities etc that you complained about people like to abuse including these same veterans you want to bring back. Also good grief you just trolled yourself out into the open with that. This game can't hold more than 10k people did you really just type that troll nonsense since there was data showing 60k pc at normal times months ago.

During the Pestula event there was over 1.5 million yes that's million not 10k but million people playing at the exact same time. So to say the game can't handle outside of event more than 10k is laughable when non event players just on pc were over 60k.

And that's for the sole reason it is busted, and the few dedicated fans that simply love the game to death no matter the state of the game. I've been around since infinites existed and I can tell you the other thing almost as frustrating is dealing with the horrible gen rushers and SWF troll parties.

Oh gee so you've been around since infinites big deal, the games vastly improved since then but all I'm getting is you seem to want to blame everything on the past. If you're a skilled killer gen rushing and swf aren't that big of deal really. Which suggests the problem is you and your lack of skill which after 2 years you'd think you'd have improved.

The fact you even blame troll swf parties says it all, you're just not as good as you think if I in less than 4 months or so of play time could learn to adapt and handle swf parties you should've in over 2 years.

But hey, that's what's good for the business, so obviously someone who favors this kind of playstyle will fall back to the business argument, the weakest and saddest argument that could be made when it comes to video games.

Ah yes the typical troll deflection fallacy response, when you can't refute deflect and insult oh and I mostly play solo and main killer. But hey lets not let facts and actual logic get in the way of your troll arguments here since if we did you'd have nothing to say.

Even titans like EA and Blizzard are beginning to fall because of prioritizing business over integrity. Not sure if BHVR will ever get the message though. Probably not, since this game is a trolls paradise and they do everything they can to keep it that way.

Bahahaha, people like you've been predicting Blizzards demise for over 20 years now, teh same is true for WOW, League, COD etc. If you think this is a trolls paradise then the obvious issue here is you and perhaps you should look in the mirror to see the real troll.

Meanwhile Im playing Smash Ultimate, a game with a roster of 74 characters and still manages to be more balanced than DbD could ever dream to be. Because DbD doesn't dream about the game anymore, only that $$$$$$

Oh yes here we go again with the fallacies, a single player game or 4 player on console only with limited game options yeah button mashing on a small screen. Wow talk about trolling and having absolutely no argument, you're obviously desperate now with that one.

Oh, and before you ask, yes, a proper balance IS MORE IMPORTANT than your desire to play said game with your friends.

Oh and next time before you try that tried and failed insult I'll say it again, I play mostly solo and if I choose to play with my friends IT'S NOT YOUR DECISION.

Your idea of proper balance is just your opinion and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter since it's not your opinion that matters here. If you don't like where the game is going or the fact you're just not good enough.

Then uninstall the game and go play your console limited option game while the rest of us can enjoy playing the game that we don't have to rebuy every time.

I'm only a mid rank player. If I play killer and see 3 or 4 players pop in at the same time I invariably get destroyed. If players appear individually I average about 2 kills.

Maybe I should "git gud" but you know, isn't the point of the ranking system that I shouldn't have to? And if I get to rank 5 or rank 1, won't it be the exact same experience but with better players?

The ranking system seems to be balanced against on non-swf groups. I would like to see swf groups be pitted against killers 5 ranks better than the average of their group and see how much difference that makes.

so's mine but only because i end up playing against people that are way higher ranks then me but that can be changed by making it so you play at the highest friends rank but that would also mean that playing with a lower rank friend would be harder.

@weirdkid5 said:

I'll point you to CD Projekt Red then, since you are clearly a corporate shill that thinks monetization is always the most important factor. News flash, it isn't.

Ah yes more of the usual deflection and Ad Hominems and talk about monetization they released a GOTy edition that forced you to waste money because you could copy saves over. They also have console commands allowing cheats to be used.

You can also buy the new dlcs for real money unlike here where you can also buy things with shards in game. Lets not also forget they allow mods which break the game, cheating in gold, items etc.

That's all it is. Players would quit this game because it is a collection of people who enjoy exploits, trolling etc. Make that stuff harder to do and this game dies, because the devs failed to keep the original vision in tact.

Oh here we go again with the exploits and trolling excuse, you can't back up your arguments so you resort to the tried and failed deflections again. You just can't seem to accept that if people are better than you it's not because they're trolling or exploiting.

Yes because everyone wants to troll in this game, the exact same troll excuse used for every argument bashing every game for the last 25 years.

Dude the basic gameplay is trolling. Looping, which is widely recognized as an exploit, is a standard thing people use. That's nothing but trolling or using an exploitable hitbox to your advantage because you're bad at the game.

Yep and here it is, the excuses and blame game continues and shows us what the real problem is, your lack of skill. The only ones that think looping is an exploit are bad killers and I rarely use looping because I'm not very good at it.

The only trolling going on here is you and the excuse making to hide the fact you either have to improve your skills and stop making excuses. That or you just need to accept the fact you've reached your skill ceiling and can't improve anymore.

Why is it that so many killers have no issue with loopers and get hits on said bad hitboxes but you magically can't and make excuses? The common denominator in all this is you since if others can do it that means it's not an exploit.

I never said to remove SWF, but splitting the queues is quite doable. I play on games with less population and still have no issues getting players. Also, you would have to consider the influx of hardcore and veteran players that have quit the game over its poor balancing, which I can guarantee is a high amount. Outside of events, this game cannot hold more than 10k people.

But you did say that since most of the playerbase is swf so if you remove them from the equation you kill off your game. You want to have your solo q only well guess what there isn't a large enough player base to support that.

Most of the CURRENT playerbase is SWF. This game does not peak higher than 10k during off event times.

https://steamcharts.com/app/381210 Hmmn during n on event times they had over 60k at one point.

The stats from Steam just for pc put the lie to that statement since months back non event it was over 60k population and yes that's just PC user.

Yes but how many have group play compared to this let alone the population size which you just argued out of both sides of your keyboard. You can't guarantee anything but your own personal bias here since some of those said veterans got banned/stopped playing because things got fixed.

They quit because the game got way easier for survivors, even after infinite removal. See DS for your main culprit. If these things were fixed, the 20k players that you see pop up during events would come back. These are the old players coming back just to get new cosmetics or bloodpoint grinds.

No they quit because there were other games out there and just like as usual; when something else comes out people stop playing the game and check out the new one. Those 20k players are still here and as Steam showed 60k during non event time.

Also where'd you get your 20k players leaving data from, come on post some links to it or is this another made up claim by you.

You know the exploits and trolling and infinities etc that you complained about people like to abuse including these same veterans you want to bring back. Also good grief you just trolled yourself out into the open with that. This game can't hold more than 10k people did you really just type that troll nonsense since there was data showing 60k pc at normal times months ago.

During the Pestula event there was over 1.5 million yes that's million not 10k but million people playing at the exact same time. So to say the game can't handle outside of event more than 10k is laughable when non event players just on pc were over 60k.

BHVR said 1.5 million people were playing, but did the game go free during that time?.Because of it did, then there's your obvious answer as to why 1.5 million people played at ONE time. Same goes for the 60k on PC. Notice during this event there is still no where near that count. And by the way, the Pestulla event was universally hated, so people certainly didn't play it for the reasons of it being enjoyable, only to grind out 2 free cosmetics.

https://steamcharts.com/app/381210 Yet again the FACTS prove you wrong, 60k during a non event.

For being universally hated there sure seems to be a lot of people that enjoyed it due to the seeing the possibilities for a 2ndary objective. Also it didn't have issues until the 2nd week when people were needing their vials for other side and everyone played that side.

And that's for the sole reason it is busted, and the few dedicated fans that simply love the game to death no matter the state of the game. I've been around since infinites existed and I can tell you the other thing almost as frustrating is dealing with the horrible gen rushers and SWF troll parties.

Your opinion doesn't make it fact, no matter how many times you claim it, twist facts, troll there's nothing that makes it busted because you claim it is.

So you've been around since infinities yet you still can't do anything but make excuses up and blame everything on something that doesn't happen at the frequency you seem to encounter Perhaps the problem isn't the swf and gen rushing but you're refusal to improve and instead make up excuses and point fingers.

Oh gee so you've been around since infinites big deal, the games vastly improved since then but all I'm getting is you seem to want to blame everything on the past. If you're a skilled killer gen rushing and swf aren't that big of deal really. Which suggests the problem is you and your lack of skill which after 2 years you'd think you'd have improved.

"If you're a skilled Killer gen rushing isn't a big deal"

HAHAHA it only takes 160 seconds for all 5 gens to be done. One survivor to loop the Killer, 3 survivors on gens at all times. If he breaks a chase, that's a free heal. He goes after someone else, they loop him, that's still 2 people on gens and the guy he was chasing before is now on a gen the other dude was on. 80 seconds pass 3 gens popped. Only 2 Killers can reasonably deal with this, Hillbilly and Nurse both for their ability to get cross map extremely fast and down extremely quickly. All other Killers may as well be in the trash bucket if you play somewhat seriously at all. Gen rush is [BAD WORD].

If you're getting 3 minuted so often that means the problem is you plain and simple and you just flat out proved you're the problem here not the game.

That's just 2 examples and plenty of other have shown other killers 4king at rank one consistently including several people that took perkless Freddy to rank 1. Since so many people seem to be able to handle swf at rank 1 just fine that points to an obvious culprit.

**The common denominator in everyone of your matches where you make up excuses is you.
**

The fact you even blame troll swf parties says it all, you're just not as good as you think if I in less than 4 months or so of play time could learn to adapt and handle swf parties you should've in over 2 years.

Mate tell that to the multiple top level Killers that were bodied by the SWF squad. Lemme see you pull up a stream and decimate Rank 1 SWF teams most of your matches. I challenge you, seriously, cause I can do the same for you and I promise I'm a far superior Killer to you.

You'd think you would give up with the deflections and blame game because Monto I believe posted a stream where he had over 100 matches or so of 4k straight. That includes swf teams and since you're better than me then why are you on here making up so many excuses?

I mean for someone so superior to me as a killer you sure do make a lot of excuses for not doing well against swf whether it be 2 solo 2 swf etc. I mean since I'm such an inferior killer there should obviously be hundreds of threads from me out complaining and out excusing you.

I'll wait while you try and find something that has me even coming close to you by 1% of complaint posts or threads which we both know you won't find.

Oh and this was a 4 man swf swat team that at rank 1 that got me the prior game with sabo on cornfield map although I'd managed to hook everyone 2x though. I got them several maps in a row and got more sac'd each time and this time I 4k'd them all with mori.

The difference between the 2 of us is I didn't come to the forums and make up excuses, I changed my playstyle, I adapted to what was going on and IMPROVED.

But hey, that's what's good for the business, so obviously someone who favors this kind of playstyle will fall back to the business argument, the weakest and saddest argument that could be made when it comes to video games.

Ah yes the typical troll deflection fallacy response, when you can't refute deflect and insult oh and I mostly play solo and main killer. But hey lets not let facts and actual logic get in the way of your troll arguments here since if we did you'd have nothing to say.

You use the word fallacy while referring to free weekends as your reason why a lot of people play the game LOLOLOL

You make up the lamest excuses to deflect from your fallacies and oh just for good measure here's that Steam data link that yet again show 60k during a non event non ftp time frame.

https://steamcharts.com/app/381210 Yet again the FACTS prove you wrong, 60k during a non event.

Even titans like EA and Blizzard are beginning to fall because of prioritizing business over integrity. Not sure if BHVR will ever get the message though. Probably not, since this game is a trolls paradise and they do everything they can to keep it that way.

Bahahaha, people like you've been predicting Blizzards demise for over 20 years now, teh same is true for WOW, League, COD etc. If you think this is a trolls paradise then the obvious issue here is you and perhaps you should look in the mirror to see the real troll.

Tell that to the 12 billion dollars that Blizzard tanked after the reveal of Diavlo Immortal. Tell that to Blizzard literally paying their employees to quit because their finance department head is a person from Activision, and now their main priority is money. This is from the mouth of an ex Blizzard dev. I can link you to the interview if you want bud.

Oh no a game tanked the sky is falling, it's almost as if a game has enver flopped in gaming history ever before. It's almost as if this doesn't happen with a game failing badly at least 4x a year or a game gets shelved before release.

So an ex employee posts something negative and you take it as gospel and you wonder why you can't be taken seriously. You do realize that disgruntled employees will always say something negative since that's what they do.

Oh and you did know that Blizzard is owned by Activision so their finance head has a say in how blizzard spends it's money or did you not know that?

Meanwhile Im playing Smash Ultimate, a game with a roster of 74 characters and still manages to be more balanced than DbD could ever dream to be. Because DbD doesn't dream about the game anymore, only that $$$$$$

Oh yes here we go again with the fallacies, a single player game or 4 player on console only with limited game options yeah button mashing on a small screen. Wow talk about trolling and having absolutely no argument, you're obviously desperate now with that one.

Stop using terms you don't know how to use. Smash is 8 players. Button mashing? Pffft bro do I need to link you to a Video of Luigi 0-death combos that require frame perfect inputs, or explain to you the large mechanics of DI, wavelanding, Rage, and not to mention various comboing techniques that go way beyond mashing. It's quite clear you've never actually played anything competitive in your entire life if you relegate Smash to mere button mashing. Let's see you win 15k with Pichu by button mashing, good luck by the way. DbD wishes it could have a tourney worth 15k that didn't have questionable refereeing and decisions that [BAD WORD] certain players.

Hmm button mashing you still have to mash buttons together to perform said combos right? Well since we both know the answer to that is yes then you've got no clue what you're talking about. You also do realize Smash has been out since 1999 almost 20 years now so of course it has bigger and better tournaments.

They've had quite a bit longer to get their competitive scene up and organized so of course a game that's been out almost 20 years and has had competitive tournaments going for almost 20 years will have better referring. But hey lets ignore common sense and logic and use a an almost 20 year old established game as an example.

Oh, and before you ask, yes, a proper balance IS MORE IMPORTANT than your desire to play said game with your friends.

Oh and next time before you try that tried and failed insult I'll say it again, I play mostly solo and if I choose to play with my friends IT'S NOT YOUR DECISION.

it's not your decision is the most tone deaf argument I've ever heard. May as well get rid of the forums and never listen to feedback again then lmao also Im not even a Killer main, I'm a survivor main. I despise SWF because it makes my games that are already easier far more easy when I'm playing with 3 man babies that loop and make the Killers day ruined, stripping me of any interaction with the killer because the gens are finished before he even finds me.

The only tone deaf arguments here are yours, your opinion isn't the one that counts most it's the devs in the end. While everyone's opinion is valuable the opinions of some can be discarded by the evidence of their refusal to improve.

As an example when a level 20 survivor comes here and complains killers are too op killer mains tell them to git gud. When they complain more they get told their opinion isn't valid since they're not good enough.

So you're complaining that your games are ruined because the killer gets looped and this somehow magically happens to you all the time. It's not because the killer isn't good enough to adapt or that the killer doesn't know when to stop chasing the looper.

Nowe since your games are so easy you obviously go full perkless, never cleanse totems, never open chests and enver ever bring a single item into the game right? I mean you obviously want a challenge so if you bring a perk you bring No Mither only and wear the brightest clothes possible.

Since you want a challenge you'd never play any P3 character or a smaller female character model but instead would play someone large like Bill in his brightest outfit. You'd also always put in map offerings that favored killers the most right since you want a challenge.

Your idea of proper balance is just your opinion and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter since it's not your opinion that matters here. If you don't like where the game is going or the fact you're just not good enough.

Bruu that's what forums are for, again, just delete the forums and get rid of feedback areas. Get rid of the devstreams and fire the mods and Community members because clearly what people she doesn't matter. Your so up your own ego it hurts man.

Having an opinion is fine but claiming yours is correct and factual is the issue since that's what you've done so far and in this very post here. Ah yes more of the troll Ad Hominem attacks which already proves you've lost.

Then uninstall the game and go play your console limited option game while the rest of us can enjoy playing the game that we don't have to rebuy every time.

Once again a tired argument. If you think Smash is the same game every time, that again shows how little knowledge you have of balancing and the inner workings of any serious mechanics in any game.

Yet Smash is the same thing every time at it's core, you use combos, you smash people off the fighting stage, you have a stable of characters. Oh sure you get new characters and new maps and new moves but the thing is it's still the same just with a new coat of paint.

That just proves you don't know what you're talking about here especially when it comes to the inner workings of a game. At least with DBD I don't have to rebuy the same characters every time I want to play it even with dlc.

My only issue with SWF is when they all pick the same survivor with the exact same cosmetics. I am good if you all want to play Meg, but seriously, stop with the outfit matching. I get confused easily.

Woah there... swf is fun and will not be removed.

@BigBubs said:
"Not having voice comms and coordinated plays would ruin my free wins! WAAAAAA MOOOOOM!!!"

too ez

@Ryuhi said:

@BigBubs said:
"Not having voice comms and coordinated plays as excuses for my bad play would ruin my usage of those for my bad play WAAAAAA MOOOOOM!!!"

too ez

You're right that was too ez.

@powerbats said:
You're right that was too ez.

I was making fun of his usage of a strawman. you were just massaging your ego?

@powerbats said:

@weirdkid5 said:

I'll point you to CD Projekt Red then, since you are clearly a corporate shill that thinks monetization is always the most important factor. News flash, it isn't.

Ah yes more of the usual deflection and Ad Hominems and talk about monetization they released a GOTy edition that forced you to waste money because you could copy saves over. They also have console commands allowing cheats to be used.

You can also buy the new dlcs for real money unlike here where you can also buy things with shards in game. Lets not also forget they allow mods which break the game, cheating in gold, items etc.

For one thing, it's a single player game so I'm not sure what kind of argument that is supposed to be. Every single game that exists on PC has a way to open a console command, even in DOOM 2016. No one who actually plays the game seriously will use that stuff. If someone wants to cheat in a single player game, that literally hurts no one. Mod support should always be a thing for single player games, like Fallout and GTA, where the devs directly support modding.

Also DbD you used to have to buy DLC, but they changed it because it is more lucrative to sell cosmetics that can only be bought with money, which plenty exist.

That's all it is. Players would quit this game because it is a collection of people who enjoy exploits, trolling etc. Make that stuff harder to do and this game dies, because the devs failed to keep the original vision in tact.

Oh here we go again with the exploits and trolling excuse, you can't back up your arguments so you resort to the tried and failed deflections again. You just can't seem to accept that if people are better than you it's not because they're trolling or exploiting.

Except I can link you to a video of Mathieu Cote stating why this game was originally balanced around solo players. Here it is https://youtu.be/YH5jhyU6GjU

Yes because everyone wants to troll in this game, the exact same troll excuse used for every argument bashing every game for the last 25 years.

Dude the basic gameplay is trolling. Looping, which is widely recognized as an exploit, is a standard thing people use. That's nothing but trolling or using an exploitable hitbox to your advantage because you're bad at the game.

Yep and here it is, the excuses and blame game continues and shows us what the real problem is, your lack of skill. The only ones that think looping is an exploit are bad killers and I rarely use looping because I'm not very good at it.

Incorrect. Killers in fact have a bigger hitbox and this makes looping way more effective than it should be. The devs have stated before this is unintentional. Good work proving you dont know your stuff.

The only trolling going on here is you and the excuse making to hide the fact you either have to improve your skills and stop making excuses. That or you just need to accept the fact you've reached your skill ceiling and can't improve anymore.

I dont hide it because I literally stream all my matches homie lmao

Why is it that so many killers have no issue with loopers and get hits on said bad hitboxes but you magically can't and make excuses? The common denominator in all this is you since if others can do it that means it's not an exploit.

Face a group like the Depip squad, who even the best Killers in the game were unable to defeat. Nearly 100 wins in a row, with many Killers being top level Killers. So you're better than ScottJund?

I never said to remove SWF, but splitting the queues is quite doable. I play on games with less population and still have no issues getting players. Also, you would have to consider the influx of hardcore and veteran players that have quit the game over its poor balancing, which I can guarantee is a high amount. Outside of events, this game cannot hold more than 10k people.

But you did say that since most of the playerbase is swf so if you remove them from the equation you kill off your game. You want to have your solo q only well guess what there isn't a large enough player base to support that.

Most of the CURRENT playerbase is SWF. This game does not peak higher than 10k during off event times.

https://steamcharts.com/app/381210 Hmmn during n on event times they had over 60k at one point.

That was during a free period lmao

The stats from Steam just for pc put the lie to that statement since months back non event it was over 60k population and yes that's just PC user.

It peaked in Septmeber, during the end of the month when the game was free until the 25th of September. That's the only reason the pop hit 60k

Yes but how many have group play compared to this let alone the population size which you just argued out of both sides of your keyboard. You can't guarantee anything but your own personal bias here since some of those said veterans got banned/stopped playing because things got fixed.

They quit because the game got way easier for survivors, even after infinite removal. See DS for your main culprit. If these things were fixed, the 20k players that you see pop up during events would come back. These are the old players coming back just to get new cosmetics or bloodpoint grinds.

No they quit because there were other games out there and just like as usual; when something else comes out people stop playing the game and check out the new one. Those 20k players are still here and as Steam showed 60k during non event time.

It was during a free trial period.

Also where'd you get your 20k players leaving data from, come on post some links to it or is this another made up claim by you.

Because 30k people play during events. Otherwise 10k people are playing. The other 20k likely only play during events.

You know the exploits and trolling and infinities etc that you complained about people like to abuse including these same veterans you want to bring back. Also good grief you just trolled yourself out into the open with that. This game can't hold more than 10k people did you really just type that troll nonsense since there was data showing 60k pc at normal times months ago.

During the Pestula event there was over 1.5 million yes that's million not 10k but million people playing at the exact same time. So to say the game can't handle outside of event more than 10k is laughable when non event players just on pc were over 60k.

During a free trial period.

BHVR said 1.5 million people were playing, but did the game go free during that time?.Because of it did, then there's your obvious answer as to why 1.5 million people played at ONE time. Same goes for the 60k on PC. Notice during this event there is still no where near that count. And by the way, the Pestulla event was universally hated, so people certainly didn't play it for the reasons of it being enjoyable, only to grind out 2 free cosmetics.

https://steamcharts.com/app/381210 Yet again the FACTS prove you wrong, 60k during a non event.

It was a free trial period dawg. Which was one of my arguments as well. You seemed to leave that out and focused on the event aspect of my argument. Good work.

For being universally hated there sure seems to be a lot of people that enjoyed it due to the seeing the possibilities for a 2ndary objective. Also it didn't have issues until the 2nd week when people were needing their vials for other side and everyone played that side.

No one enjoyed it if you actually paid attention to the forums during Pestualla.

And that's for the sole reason it is busted, and the few dedicated fans that simply love the game to death no matter the state of the game. I've been around since infinites existed and I can tell you the other thing almost as frustrating is dealing with the horrible gen rushers and SWF troll parties.

Your opinion doesn't make it fact, no matter how many times you claim it, twist facts, troll there's nothing that makes it busted because you claim it is.

Yknow it's funny you mentioned ad hominem earlier when you started calling me a troll long before I called you a corporate shill lmao

So you've been around since infinities yet you still can't do anything but make excuses up and blame everything on something that doesn't happen at the frequency you seem to encounter Perhaps the problem isn't the swf and gen rushing but you're refusal to improve and instead make up excuses and point fingers.

I can guarantee you, by the devs own stats, 70% of games have SWF groups in them and nearly every survivor loops.

Oh gee so you've been around since infinites big deal, the games vastly improved since then but all I'm getting is you seem to want to blame everything on the past. If you're a skilled killer gen rushing and swf aren't that big of deal really. Which suggests the problem is you and your lack of skill which after 2 years you'd think you'd have improved.

You can't improve against mechanics that literally are stacked against you and continue to favor only Hillbilly and Nurse.

"If you're a skilled Killer gen rushing isn't a big deal"

HAHAHA it only takes 160 seconds for all 5 gens to be done. One survivor to loop the Killer, 3 survivors on gens at all times. If he breaks a chase, that's a free heal. He goes after someone else, they loop him, that's still 2 people on gens and the guy he was chasing before is now on a gen the other dude was on. 80 seconds pass 3 gens popped. Only 2 Killers can reasonably deal with this, Hillbilly and Nurse both for their ability to get cross map extremely fast and down extremely quickly. All other Killers may as well be in the trash bucket if you play somewhat seriously at all. Gen rush is [BAD WORD].

If you're getting 3 minuted so often that means the problem is you plain and simple and you just flat out proved you're the problem here not the game.

That's just 2 examples and plenty of other have shown other killers 4king at rank one consistently including several people that took perkless Freddy to rank 1. Since so many people seem to be able to handle swf at rank 1 just fine that points to an obvious culprit.

Oh look, a screenshot with no video context to go along with it. I can pull out many screenshots of me killing at Rank 1 as well as various games at Rank 1 if you'd like. You aren't impressive.

**The common denominator in everyone of your matches where you make up excuses is you.
**

The fact you even blame troll swf parties says it all, you're just not as good as you think if I in less than 4 months or so of play time could learn to adapt and handle swf parties you should've in over 2 years.

Lmao considering the game has no viable way for rhe Killer to counter voice chat, I'd like to see how you adapt to SWF outside of killing as quickly as possible and tunneling.

Mate tell that to the multiple top level Killers that were bodied by the SWF squad. Lemme see you pull up a stream and decimate Rank 1 SWF teams most of your matches. I challenge you, seriously, cause I can do the same for you and I promise I'm a far superior Killer to you.

You'd think you would give up with the deflections and blame game because Monto I believe posted a stream where he had over 100 matches or so of 4k straight. That includes swf teams and since you're better than me then why are you on here making up so many excuses?

Just because most of the Survivor population is hot garbage and don't fully utilize their entire kit to their disposal doesn't mean the potential doesn't exist. Keep in mind the depip squad had 100 wins in a row as Survivors with NO PERKS and NO VOICE CHAT even against top levels like ScottJund brodie.

I mean for someone so superior to me as a killer you sure do make a lot of excuses for not doing well against swf whether it be 2 solo 2 swf etc. I mean since I'm such an inferior killer there should obviously be hundreds of threads from me out complaining and out excusing you.

I'll wait while you try and find something that has me even coming close to you by 1% of complaint posts or threads which we both know you won't find.

Oh and this was a 4 man swf swat team that at rank 1 that got me the prior game with sabo on cornfield map although I'd managed to hook everyone 2x though. I got them several maps in a row and got more sac'd each time and this time I 4k'd them all with mori.

The difference between the 2 of us is I didn't come to the forums and make up excuses, I changed my playstyle, I adapted to what was going on and IMPROVED.

Another no context screenshot that's useless. I asked for videos of your gameplay, not screenshots that show only highlights against likely garbage survivors.

But hey, that's what's good for the business, so obviously someone who favors this kind of playstyle will fall back to the business argument, the weakest and saddest argument that could be made when it comes to video games.

Ah yes the typical troll deflection fallacy response, when you can't refute deflect and insult oh and I mostly play solo and main killer. But hey lets not let facts and actual logic get in the way of your troll arguments here since if we did you'd have nothing to say.

Stop using words you don't know how to properly use.

You use the word fallacy while referring to free weekends as your reason why a lot of people play the game LOLOLOL

You make up the lamest excuses to deflect from your fallacies and oh just for good measure here's that Steam data link that yet again show 60k during a non event non ftp time frame.

https://steamcharts.com/app/381210 Yet again the FACTS prove you wrong, 60k during a non event.

Too bad DbD was in fact free at the end or Septemeber, which is when the peak of 60k happened. Try doing a little research https://www.gamesear.com/news/the-multiplayer-horror-game-dead-by-daylight-is-free-to-try-out-on-steam-until-september-25th

Even titans like EA and Blizzard are beginning to fall because of prioritizing business over integrity. Not sure if BHVR will ever get the message though. Probably not, since this game is a trolls paradise and they do everything they can to keep it that way.

Bahahaha, people like you've been predicting Blizzards demise for over 20 years now, teh same is true for WOW, League, COD etc. If you think this is a trolls paradise then the obvious issue here is you and perhaps you should look in the mirror to see the real troll.

Tell that to the 12 billion dollars that Blizzard tanked after the reveal of Diavlo Immortal. Tell that to Blizzard literally paying their employees to quit because their finance department head is a person from Activision, and now their main priority is money. This is from the mouth of an ex Blizzard dev. I can link you to the interview if you want bud.

Oh no a game tanked the sky is falling, it's almost as if a game has enver flopped in gaming history ever before. It's almost as if this doesn't happen with a game failing badly at least 4x a year or a game gets shelved before release.

So an ex employee posts something negative and you take it as gospel and you wonder why you can't be taken seriously. You do realize that disgruntled employees will always say something negative since that's what they do.

Except it's no secret Blizzard is getting rid of their employees. Basic research will show you this.

Oh and you did know that Blizzard is owned by Activision so their finance head has a say in how blizzard spends it's money or did you not know that?

It wasn't like that until recently. Blizzard had control over it's own finances for the most part. They recently had a change. Again, do your research dawg.

Meanwhile Im playing Smash Ultimate, a game with a roster of 74 characters and still manages to be more balanced than DbD could ever dream to be. Because DbD doesn't dream about the game anymore, only that $$$$$$

Oh yes here we go again with the fallacies, a single player game or 4 player on console only with limited game options yeah button mashing on a small screen. Wow talk about trolling and having absolutely no argument, you're obviously desperate now with that one.

Stop using terms you don't know how to use. Smash is 8 players. Button mashing? Pffft bro do I need to link you to a Video of Luigi 0-death combos that require frame perfect inputs, or explain to you the large mechanics of DI, wavelanding, Rage, and not to mention various comboing techniques that go way beyond mashing. It's quite clear you've never actually played anything competitive in your entire life if you relegate Smash to mere button mashing. Let's see you win 15k with Pichu by button mashing, good luck by the way. DbD wishes it could have a tourney worth 15k that didn't have questionable refereeing and decisions that [BAD WORD] certain players.

Hmm button mashing you still have to mash buttons together to perform said combos right? Well since we both know the answer to that is yes then you've got no clue what you're talking about. You also do realize Smash has been out since 1999 almost 20 years now so of course it has bigger and better tournaments.

You can't do combos by mashing buttons homie. You have to time everything, especially the Luigi 0-death, which requires inputs that go down to the 1/10th of a second or less, something that if you "mash" will never work. Again, you've clearly never played a fighting game if you think combos are just "button mashing."

They've had quite a bit longer to get their competitive scene up and organized so of course a game that's been out almost 20 years and has had competitive tournaments going for almost 20 years will have better referring. But hey lets ignore common sense and logic and use a an almost 20 year old established game as an example.

Except Smash wasn't considered Serious for the devs in terms of competitiveness until the 4th game. It's not very hard to make something competitive for DbD. Look, I came up with this in 5 minutes: 2 teams of 5, both teams have a Survivor and a Killer. When they get the match, 2 games start simultaneously with your Killer against the enemy survivors and their Killer against you. The team with the overall better emblem quality is the winner.

Making a competitive scene has nothing to do with how long you have being doing it, and everything to do with the basic understandings of fair play and in depth mechanics.

Oh, and before you ask, yes, a proper balance IS MORE IMPORTANT than your desire to play said game with your friends.

Oh and next time before you try that tried and failed insult I'll say it again, I play mostly solo and if I choose to play with my friends IT'S NOT YOUR DECISION.

Then again, just get rid of all feedback threads since it isn't our decision. Player feedback is useless as long as we make money.

it's not your decision is the most tone deaf argument I've ever heard. May as well get rid of the forums and never listen to feedback again then lmao also Im not even a Killer main, I'm a survivor main. I despise SWF because it makes my games that are already easier far more easy when I'm playing with 3 man babies that loop and make the Killers day ruined, stripping me of any interaction with the killer because the gens are finished before he even finds me.

The only tone deaf arguments here are yours, your opinion isn't the one that counts most it's the devs in the end. While everyone's opinion is valuable the opinions of some can be discarded by the evidence of their refusal to improve.

Sounds to me like I need to come out of retirement, because I already the top levels a long time ago.

As an example when a level 20 survivor comes here and complains killers are too op killer mains tell them to git gud. When they complain more they get told their opinion isn't valid since they're not good enough.

Except I hit Rank 1 long before it become a cakewalk to do so.

So you're complaining that your games are ruined because the killer gets looped and this somehow magically happens to you all the time. It's not because the killer isn't good enough to adapt or that the killer doesn't know when to stop chasing the looper.

I literally already explained stopping the chase doesn't help but you ignored my argument. Stopping the chase just allows the guy to self heal, and that still leaves 2 other survivors on gens when you find the other guy, and the guy you stopped chasing before is now healed and on his own gen.

Stopping the chase is exactly what loopers what you to do because the moment you do it, the Killer loses the game.

Nowe since your games are so easy you obviously go full perkless, never cleanse totems, never open chests and enver ever bring a single item into the game right? I mean you obviously want a challenge so if you bring a perk you bring No Mither only and wear the brightest clothes possible.

I hit Rank 1 Survivor perkless a long time ago without using any items fam. It really isn't that hard. Would you like me to do it again? I'll stream every single match like I did before.

Since you want a challenge you'd never play any P3 character or a smaller female character model but instead would play someone large like Bill in his brightest outfit. You'd also always put in map offerings that favored killers the most right since you want a challenge.

Except again, I already played to Rank 1 Killer perkless wearing bright Meg clothes. If I didn't lose my save, I would have worn my Legacy Prestige while doing it as well just to mock you further. But alas, the devs thought it was a good idea to make the save data for a multiplayer game save client side rather than server side, up until about 8 months ago or so.

Your idea of proper balance is just your opinion and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter since it's not your opinion that matters here. If you don't like where the game is going or the fact you're just not good enough.

Bruu that's what forums are for, again, just delete the forums and get rid of feedback areas. Get rid of the devstreams and fire the mods and Community members because clearly what people she doesn't matter. Your so up your own ego it hurts man.

Having an opinion is fine but claiming yours is correct and factual is the issue since that's what you've done so far and in this very post here. Ah yes more of the troll Ad Hominem attacks which already proves you've lost.

Except it is factual because I can do simple math. It takes 2 and a half to 3 minutes to get the game finished as survivors, and based on Killer's movement speeds and looping, no Killer except Nurse and Billy can win without the survivors simply making massive mistakes that any decent player wouldn't make.

Then uninstall the game and go play your console limited option game while the rest of us can enjoy playing the game that we don't have to rebuy every time.

Once again a tired argument. If you think Smash is the same game every time, that again shows how little knowledge you have of balancing and the inner workings of any serious mechanics in any game.

Yet Smash is the same thing every time at it's core, you use combos, you smash people off the fighting stage, you have a stable of characters. Oh sure you get new characters and new maps and new moves but the thing is it's still the same just with a new coat of paint.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about if you think Smash is the same game every time simply because you do combos to launch people off a stage. Sounds to me like you don't know inner mechanics.

That just proves you don't know what you're talking about here especially when it comes to the inner workings of a game. At least with DBD I don't have to rebuy the same characters every time I want to play it even with dlc.

Except in Smash Ultimate every character that was released before is in the game. No Smash game besides Smash 4 had DLC characters, and all DLC characters for Ultimate will be brand new. Good work not knowing what you're talking about, again.

@brokedownpalace said:
@weirdkid5 are you still pretending to be a survivor main or have you dropped the act?

Sounds to me like I gotta come out of retirement. Not sure how the 600 of the 800 hours I've played as Survivor somehow doesn't make me a Survivor main.

thats not how words work, @powerbats .