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Can S tier killer survive PTB
When I was thinking about our much beloved meta killers, nurse, blight, hag, spirit. I remembered their PTBs (the ones which had them) and realised, all of them were pretty bad in their early stages and got buffed to be meta afterwards, expect nurse, she's the fist DLC made to counter long gone infinites so she's got special pass.
Og hag as far as I remember, had extremely slow teleport, longer trap settinging, possibly smaller TP range. Eventurally she got buffed and became as good as she is now.
PTB blight had terrible hitboxes, you literally could not use his power anywhere and everyone agreed should he relase in a state he was on PTB, he would be at best mid tier killer. Luckily for him, his hitboxes got ironed out when released on live so people slowly began to get good with him, making everyone realise how strong his power is when it is allowed to work.
PTB spirit wasn't necessarily terrible but she was one of the weakest versions of her we've seen. If I remember, you could very clearly HEAR her exact position on her PTB and she was also somewhat slower (I might be misremembering that). Nobody was tracking via sound on her PTB, just doing their best with scratch marks which is pretty hard and even after her post PTB buffs, she rose to popularity (and became as hated too) almost like a year later from her release out of nowhere.
Any other killer released was either considered just very good but for the most part not S tier due to things lacking in their kit.
I get the feeling that if killers wants to become S tier, they first need to have design with a lot of potencial but at the same time have to be quite ######### in the execution of that potencial so they can be later fixed/buffed without anyone beiing able to argue they were good before or even wanting to nerf them.
I find it rather odd that the best killers we ever got don't seem to be designed to be the best from the beggining but rather brought to that point because they were mediocre in their first iterations.
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Why have new strong killers when you can just have the same old strong killers?
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I haven't seen a Good Hag in ages.
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Probably will stay in a strong state. Once the sales are stagnant, gonna be hammered.
Classic.
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i'm very scared she's gonna be executed but we'll see. she really doesn't need that many changes, just some of her cheesy low-skill ######### should be cut down but overall her real strengths that actually make her top tier shouldn't be touched, and I wouldn't even mind, depending on the changes made to her power, seeing some slight buffs for her range power to hone in on that aspect of her kit.
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Tell me you didn't read the post without telling me you didn't read the post.
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Tbh if it's not just nerfs, removing the trap damage cheese and possibly the instant damage without marking someone could go.
I'd be nice if something was given in turn but I get the feeling nothing as nice will happen.
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S tier killers always survive. It's the B/C tier killers they like to nerf for some reason. Look at Wraith, Slinger, Pig, etc.
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I actually did read the whole thing, I just have that little faith in the devs keeping a strong killer strong right now.
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people not gonna play weak killer and they needs some money for their working so thats good reason
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Just imagine, she could become first S tier killer with no actual mobility power.
But that much innovation is very likely going to sink since we can't have nice things these days. I hope she makes it but my expectations are very low.
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Tell me you’re a sexy SOB without telling me you’re a sexy SOB.
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Usually, whenever they put something in the PTB, it remains untouched until release even if it is obviously broken or not working...but i wouldn't be surprised if she get nerfed to the ground before release...remember, if it isn't fun to play against, it egts nerfed/changed.... killer's gameplay? who cares?
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😌💅
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that's literally exactly what I want done to her. I want the trap damage gone, there's zero skill expression to it and removes the point of actually timing her power in loops.
removing that and giving a slight buff to some things that could help her with ranged hits would be really nice, like a little base cooldown buff or base buff to the amount of time you see the flock of crows before it disappears once they start repelling. nerfing her close range oppressiveness is fine if they hone in on the true strength of her power and what really makes her skill cap extremely high, which is her ranged hits and combos.
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I wouldn't bet on it.
The only 'S' tier killer that isn't pretty OG is Blight, and he comes with a bonkers skill-floor and serious jankiness. And I'm sure his nerfs are coming.
She seems a little strong at present, and her crows probably need to be a little easier to dodge.
That said, she'll probably be Pinhead 2.0. Mediocre on release, good addons - which will then be nerfed into obscurity within a few months.
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Hag is arguably S Tier, her skill ceiling is much higher than people giver her credit for. She's slept on bc she's so different from the rest of the cast (even Twins and Trapper, the Killers that resemble her most, are more focused on the chase), but an insane Hag can destroy the best teams arguably as fast as pre-nerf Spirit or Blight.
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Eh...I keep seeing this said, but she really isn't. She can be lethal on some maps, but good teams will play around her and the new CoH meta really hurts her.
I'd say the only true 'S' tier anymore is Blight.
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Look up Michi, you'll see what I mean. Even against SWFs she's near unstoppable played right.
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Considering waiting until next chapter before even bothering to learn her since she's just gonna get gutted.
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Killers would cry anyway saying the killer is trash or deliverance Is op and would be meta
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I haven't seen a Hag in ages xd
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This killer isn't S tier. Sure, maybe S tier at loops. But basically low tier at mobility and low mid at chase.
Will end up in A tier though because of how strong her anti loop is which means survivors will have to adapt a bit and we all know how that goes in lower tiers. Her kill rate will be extremely over inflated at low tiers.
I give it 2 months till a nerf and 2 days before the nerf cries will be heard around the world if she gets released like this to live.
Her nerfs will be crows disappear in 3ish seconds and a crow cool down so you can't spam 3 out quickly. It will be place 1 wait few seconds, maybe 2 or 3 seconds then place another.
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I think an S-Tier Killer could survive the PTB if that Killer has an ability with a high skill ceiling. The problem comes from outcry and that outcry comes form good performance on the PTB and from survivors not capable of dealing with new Killers right away.
If they would add a Killer with a high skill ceiling nobody would notice their S-Tier potentical right away and many people would call that Killer weak or uninteresting. This would lead to people not asking for nerfs and in turn let that Killer leave the PTB after some while unchanged.
After that the majority of players would not play that Killer unless it comes from a very popular lisence. This in turn would lead to the same phenomenon we see with Nurse every day: Everybody knows that Nurse is busted. She is the very definition of OP and in no way balanced except for one: She is so hard to play correctly that there are so few good Nurse players that you almost never see a realy good Nurse.
Same would happen with an S-Tier Killer with a high skill ceiling on the PTB.
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Nurse was 115% moves speed when she came out. She didn't start weak. They nerfed her after release.
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I feel like most the time the nerfs are done too hastily. Look at oni for example where they accidentally gutted him for like a week
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I already disagree with everything you said because you started this post off by saying Hag is a "much beloved meta killer" lol
Anyway I think they can survive the ptb will either no changes or very little ones.
I don't like the fact that the devs are constantly releasing anti-loop killers that encourage holding W gameplay. Think they should focus more on killers with good mobility.
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That's how it works tho. If they release weaker killers, they have more room for improvements and if they release killer that is strong from a get go, then they're forced to balance accordingly.
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i fully expect The Artist to be nerfed.
maybe that wont happen right on her release (i dont think they got the time to change all the "problematic" parts about her in that short amount of time), but i do see her getting the Hillbilly / Deathslinger treatment a bit further down the line.
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