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They are not going to give an option to opt out of playing swf.5
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"Insert thread from killer mains that want to kill the game"
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@KillerRaccoon said:
lasombra1979 said:They are not going to give an option to opt out of playing swf.
To elaborate on this, they are not going to do this because no Killer is going to choose to play against a SWF team. SWF parties won’t get in any matches and will be left very unsatisfied.
So its fine to reduce the killer to simply being a clown for 4 try hards on voice chat to bully around?
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I’ve been in half as many escaped as well as not escaped swf matches where the killer got 4ks , or atleast 2-3 kills. This whole swf breaks the game thing is absurd.2
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I think dedicated servers could make the game far too difficult for newbie killers. Being able to dodge the SWFs (that often were clearly deliberately deranking to kick my hag bottom) as I learned to play killer was the only way for me to get out of lesser ranks when I first started. If 70% of games are SWF then being a newbie killer could be painful.
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Either give me a bonus to my bloodpoints for playing swf or skew the rank matchmaking in my favour by a few levels and I'd be happy. SWF on comms is fun (for survivors) because its so ridiculously easy. Make them play tougher killers to compensate.
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killers can do alot of things camp tunnel etc since its "valid strategy" you can do whatever you want since you are the killer
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I'd like to find a game when I play with friends so this no SWF thing sounds bad to me
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@Vortexas said:
So its fine to reduce the killer to simply being a clown for 4 try hards on voice chat to bully around?Yes, that is why solo survivors have been getting buffs to match SWF info in a match, and why killers are stronger then over a year ago, and continue to get buffed.
If you get bullied and don't like it... You might not want to play then.
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@TheBean said:
@Vortexas said:
So its fine to reduce the killer to simply being a clown for 4 try hards on voice chat to bully around?Yes, that is why solo survivors have been getting buffs to match SWF info in a match, and why killers are stronger then over a year ago, and continue to get buffed.
If you get bullied and don't like it... You might not want to play then.
What are these buffs you speak of that solo survivors have received?
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I'd play vs swf non stop if it gave a bp bonus to swf groups greater then two. Like 25% for 3 and 50% for 4. Groups of two don't really make much of an impact imo.
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@Might_Oakk said:
What are these buffs you speak of that solo survivors have received?Totem notifications.... That being the biggest one...
The obsession marking showing up in the hud.
Solo is being brought up to SWF levels so Killers can get buffed more to deal with SWF.
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What the hell? No. SWF aren't that hard to beat, just run Spirit and when u are chasing someone and they heal in ur TR, look at the guy ur chasing but then phase to the healers and down the person being healed lol.
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I'd love a BP bonus so I can have some help getting perks/addons/offerings to actually help go against SWF, or at least make it worth my while to put up with them.
I doubt we will get filters, or even SWF labels, or even the BP bonus because the devs are scared shitless about survivor backlash, though.
I'm getting tired of dealing with SWFs made of mixed ranks, smurfs, voice comm users, etc.
They just are not fun to vs.
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@TheBean said:
@Might_Oakk said:
What are these buffs you speak of that solo survivors have received?Totem notifications.... That being the biggest one...
The obsession marking showing up in the hud.
Solo is being brought up to SWF levels so Killers can get buffed more to deal with SWF.
Lmao, huge buffs bruh swf vs solo is virtually the same
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Totem notifications is bad design, not a measure to power up solo Survivors. Yhe others are fine.TheBean said:@Might_Oakk said:
What are these buffs you speak of that solo survivors have received?Totem notifications.... That being the biggest one...
The obsession marking showing up in the hud.
Solo is being brought up to SWF levels so Killers can get buffed more to deal with SWF.
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I don't see the point. It would massively drive up queue times for everyone for no reason. Most SWF groups are no better than solo players, and the rare ones that are tend to be good players to begin with. You'll find that most of the matches you win had SWF groups in it. Having voice chat does not make you faster or better in a chase, good players are good players.
Losing to a good team is not anything to be ashamed of, and I don't see why ruining matchmaking for everyone would be a good solution for the very few extremely coordinated groups out there.11 -
Not really the real experience with rank 1 swf groups is either the gen rush you while one loops you and pallets you to death or you actually down them and they dc because there rage quitting babysKillerRaccoon said:
Facing a SWF isn’t that bad. You just need to be good at chases. If you can end chases faster than they can finish generators, then you’re golden (easier said than done). It’s not that different than a solo team (I play solo, and at Rank 5, everyone is rushing gens).Vortexas said:@KillerRaccoon said:
lasombra1979 said:They are not going to give an option to opt out of playing swf.
To elaborate on this, they are not going to do this because no Killer is going to choose to play against a SWF team. SWF parties won’t get in any matches and will be left very unsatisfied.
So its fine to reduce the killer to simply being a clown for 4 try hards on voice chat to bully around?
The only problem is that they can tell each other about Totem locations and about any surprise perks you have. But you could just run perks that don’t need to be a secret.1 -
@Might_Oakk said:
Lmao, huge buffs bruh swf vs solo is virtually the same@PigNRun said:
Totem notifications is bad design, not a measure to power up solo Survivors. Yhe others are fine.Perk notifications.... Totem notifications...
They all help provide and remember information on the hud for players. Some help more with solo players then others. And some will help newer players more then experienced players.
I like all those changes myself. They've helped me out allot.
Maybe watch some Dev streams sometimes to get an idea on what they are doing?....
If there are still people who think they Devs are somehow going to balance SWF to the game they are sadly mistaken and still following a pipe dream.
The devs are going to balance the Game to SWF, not SWF to the Game.
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I've been running into mixed rank SWFs since the Halloween event, obvious smurfs, and people obviously using voice comms to pass along informationthey shouldn't have, too.Peanits said:I don't see the point. It would massively drive up queue times for everyone for no reason. Most SWF groups are no better than solo players, and the rare ones that are tend to be good players to begin with. You'll find that most of the matches you win had SWF groups in it. Having voice chat does not make you faster or better in a chase, good players are good players.
Losing to a good team is not anything to be ashamed of, and I don't see why ruining matchmaking for everyone would be a good solution for the very few extremely coordinated groups out there.
Facing people who have no business being in the same trial as me has gotten worse over the winter event.
Save the "most swf groups are no better than solos" for when the game is balanced around SWF.
Flatly dismissing these issues people have isn't going to win people over.1 -
@Rebel_Raven said:
Peanits said:I don't see the point. It would massively drive up queue times for everyone for no reason. Most SWF groups are no better than solo players, and the rare ones that are tend to be good players to begin with. You'll find that most of the matches you win had SWF groups in it. Having voice chat does not make you faster or better in a chase, good players are good players.
Losing to a good team is not anything to be ashamed of, and I don't see why ruining matchmaking for everyone would be a good solution for the very few extremely coordinated groups out there.
I've been running into mixed rank SWFs since the Halloween event, obvious smurfs, and people obviously using voice comms to pass along informationthey shouldn't have, too.
Facing people who have no business being in the same trial as me has gotten worse over the winter event.Save the "most swf groups are no better than solos" for when the game is balanced around SWF.
Flatly dismissing these issues people have isn't going to win people over.
But making up excuses and using false equivalencies is a better way to go?
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Oh lord, I read why you keep making those comments, and you're more out of touch than i thought wanting the cheated to take personal responsibility for being cheated.powerbats said:@Rebel_Raven said:
Peanits said:I don't see the point. It would massively drive up queue times for everyone for no reason. Most SWF groups are no better than solo players, and the rare ones that are tend to be good players to begin with. You'll find that most of the matches you win had SWF groups in it. Having voice chat does not make you faster or better in a chase, good players are good players.
Losing to a good team is not anything to be ashamed of, and I don't see why ruining matchmaking for everyone would be a good solution for the very few extremely coordinated groups out there.
I've been running into mixed rank SWFs since the Halloween event, obvious smurfs, and people obviously using voice comms to pass along informationthey shouldn't have, too.
Facing people who have no business being in the same trial as me has gotten worse over the winter event.Save the "most swf groups are no better than solos" for when the game is balanced around SWF.
Flatly dismissing these issues people have isn't going to win people over.
But making up excuses and using false equivalencies is a better way to go?
Seriously, you aren't winning this one.
"Nothing's wrong, git gud" is just such a terrible answer to give.3 -
I'm definitely not trying to win people over. If I was, I would just be agreeing with everything that gets said.Rebel_Raven said:
I've been running into mixed rank SWFs since the Halloween event, obvious smurfs, and people obviously using voice comms to pass along informationthey shouldn't have, too.Peanits said:I don't see the point. It would massively drive up queue times for everyone for no reason. Most SWF groups are no better than solo players, and the rare ones that are tend to be good players to begin with. You'll find that most of the matches you win had SWF groups in it. Having voice chat does not make you faster or better in a chase, good players are good players.
Losing to a good team is not anything to be ashamed of, and I don't see why ruining matchmaking for everyone would be a good solution for the very few extremely coordinated groups out there.
Facing people who have no business being in the same trial as me has gotten worse over the winter event.
Save the "most swf groups are no better than solos" for when the game is balanced around SWF.
Flatly dismissing these issues people have isn't going to win people over.
Most SWF groups are easily defeatable and too often I see people blame their losses on SWF as a scape goat rather than seeing it as an opportunity to improve. They are incredibly predictable and it can be used against them.
And that's not to discount the few groups out there who are committed to trying as hard as possible like they're in the finals of a tournament, they do exist. They're just very rare. Half the time I see someone post a video of that, the killer misses countless swings, loses the survivors, loses mindgaming, runs tiles the wrong way, etc. That's not the fault of SWF, they faced a better player and lost. But rather than accept that they had a bad game and trying to do better next time, they point at that one guy that ran them the entire game and say "SWF."
Making a massive change that hurts everybody for the few groups out there that are actually a problem is silly.8 -
Yeah maybe easily beatable to someone who has a ton of perks, experience, and killers to pick from, but then there's everyone else.Peanits said:
I'm definitely not trying to win people over. If I was, I would just be agreeing with everything that gets said.Rebel_Raven said:
I've been running into mixed rank SWFs since the Halloween event, obvious smurfs, and people obviously using voice comms to pass along informationthey shouldn't have, too.Peanits said:I don't see the point. It would massively drive up queue times for everyone for no reason. Most SWF groups are no better than solo players, and the rare ones that are tend to be good players to begin with. You'll find that most of the matches you win had SWF groups in it. Having voice chat does not make you faster or better in a chase, good players are good players.
Losing to a good team is not anything to be ashamed of, and I don't see why ruining matchmaking for everyone would be a good solution for the very few extremely coordinated groups out there.
Facing people who have no business being in the same trial as me has gotten worse over the winter event.
Save the "most swf groups are no better than solos" for when the game is balanced around SWF.
Flatly dismissing these issues people have isn't going to win people over.
Most SWF groups are easily defeatable and too often I see people blame their losses on SWF as a scape goat rather than seeing it as an opportunity to improve. They are incredibly predictable and it can be used against them.
And that's not to discount the few groups out there who are committed to trying as hard as possible like they're in the finals of a tournament, they do exist. They're just very rare. Half the time I see someone post a video of that, the killer misses countless swings, loses the survivors, loses mindgaming, runs tiles the wrong way, etc. That's not the fault of SWF, they faced a better player and lost. But rather than accept that they had a bad game and trying to do better next time, they point at that one guy that ran them the entire game and say "SWF."
Making a massive change that hurts everybody for the few groups out there that are actually a problem is silly.
Not the people struggling to get half way there, going through this crap.
See, it reads like you're okay with people with massive rank differences SWFing to pick on people they shouldn't have been in trial with.
You may as well be ok with killers depipping to bully low rank survivors, too.
They don't have to be super sweaty, they're combining their knowledge to screw over a killer when they should not have that knowledge to begin with. They're getting advantages this game isn't balanced around.
If you don't want to see massive changes that would screw over everyone, or close to it, fine, say that.
But dismissing people's issues with SWFs almost entirely? When they're facing mixed ranks? When they're using voice chat to let others know the killer is headed their way, or not?
This isn't a case of meeting better players, it's more akin to people picking on lower ranks, and abusing thebmatch making system to powerlevel their buddies in easier games.
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@Rebel_Raven said:
Oh lord, I read why you keep making those comments, and you're more out of touch than i thought wanting the cheated to take personal responsibility for being cheated.
Seriously, you aren't winning this one."Nothing's wrong, git gud" is just such a terrible answer to give.
How are you cheated, if you played badly you played badly and once again all you're doing is making up more excuses for why you lost.
Also I'm not trying to win anything here, just get you to see past your own personal bias and preconceived notions. The only one focused on winning here seems to be you and it's not a zero sum game discussion either.
I also didn't says nothing's wrong and just to git gud, I've said on many occasions killers need buffs and suggested some pretty drastic nerfs. But unlike you i'm willing to accept when I get outplayed or make mistakes.
I'm also willing to challenge myself to improve and learn from my mistakes and not have things handed to me just because the going gets tough. When I play killer I want to be challenged by the best players i'm facing so when all is said and done. That if I did my best I did my best win or lose, not oh they're swf or those 4 solo's outplayed me I got cheated.
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People using outside help to win, people abusing match making to go against lower rank killers.powerbats said:@Rebel_Raven said:
Oh lord, I read why you keep making those comments, and you're more out of touch than i thought wanting the cheated to take personal responsibility for being cheated.
Seriously, you aren't winning this one."Nothing's wrong, git gud" is just such a terrible answer to give.
How are you cheated, if you played badly you played badly and once again all you're doing is making up more excuses for why you lost.
Also I'm not trying to win anything here, just get you to see past your own personal bias and preconceived notions. The only one focused on winning here seems to be you and it's not a zero sum game discussion either.
I also didn't says nothing's wrong and just to git gud, I've said on many occasions killers need buffs and suggested some pretty drastic nerfs. But unlike you i'm willing to accept when I get outplayed or make mistakes.
I'm also willing to challenge myself to improve and learn from my mistakes and not have things handed to me just because the going gets tough. When I play killer I want to be challenged by the best players i'm facing so when all is said and done. That if I did my best I did my best win or lose, not oh they're swf or those 4 solo's outplayed me I got cheated.
Killers with poor arsenalsnof addons, perks, and offerings havong to deal with that?
Do you even read anymore?
I did not say you were trying to win anyone over, you're just thorougly not grasping the situation.
Yeah, I'm not budging on this because it's an issue. Your skill doesn't factor in. It's irrelevant If you doge or not. Completely.
All your arguments against me boil down to "nothing's wrong, imma brag, git gud." It's tiring going through the same routine over and over again.
You haven't suggested anything lately, and you have to have it dragged out of you to suggest anything in threads like this.
Your desire for a challenge is irrelevant. Completely.
Especially when it takes more to challenge you than it does others.
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If someone has more experience, perks _and_ skill than you, that by definition makes them a better player. You should not win in that case. If someone checks all those boxes and you still win consistently, there's something seriously wrong there. Take the loss, derank, they'll rank up and you won't be matched together anymore. There's no shame in losing. Sometimes I end up against a really good group of survivors and I get destroyed too, but dodging them isn't going to make me any better.Rebel_Raven said:
Yeah maybe easily beatable to someone who has a ton of perks, experience, and killers to pick from, but then there's everyone else.Peanits said:
I'm definitely not trying to win people over. If I was, I would just be agreeing with everything that gets said.Rebel_Raven said:
I've been running into mixed rank SWFs since the Halloween event, obvious smurfs, and people obviously using voice comms to pass along informationthey shouldn't have, too.Peanits said:I don't see the point. It would massively drive up queue times for everyone for no reason. Most SWF groups are no better than solo players, and the rare ones that are tend to be good players to begin with. You'll find that most of the matches you win had SWF groups in it. Having voice chat does not make you faster or better in a chase, good players are good players.
Losing to a good team is not anything to be ashamed of, and I don't see why ruining matchmaking for everyone would be a good solution for the very few extremely coordinated groups out there.
Facing people who have no business being in the same trial as me has gotten worse over the winter event.
Save the "most swf groups are no better than solos" for when the game is balanced around SWF.
Flatly dismissing these issues people have isn't going to win people over.
Most SWF groups are easily defeatable and too often I see people blame their losses on SWF as a scape goat rather than seeing it as an opportunity to improve. They are incredibly predictable and it can be used against them.
And that's not to discount the few groups out there who are committed to trying as hard as possible like they're in the finals of a tournament, they do exist. They're just very rare. Half the time I see someone post a video of that, the killer misses countless swings, loses the survivors, loses mindgaming, runs tiles the wrong way, etc. That's not the fault of SWF, they faced a better player and lost. But rather than accept that they had a bad game and trying to do better next time, they point at that one guy that ran them the entire game and say "SWF."
Making a massive change that hurts everybody for the few groups out there that are actually a problem is silly.
Not the people struggling to get half way there, going through this crap.
See, it reads like you're okay with people with massive rank differences SWFing to pick on people they shouldn't have been in trial with.
You may as well be ok with killers depipping to bully low rank survivors, too.
They don't have to be super sweaty, they're combining their knowledge to screw over a killer when they should not have that knowledge to begin with. They're getting advantages this game isn't balanced around.
If you don't want to see massive changes that would screw over everyone, or close to it, fine, say that.
But dismissing people's issues with SWFs almost entirely? When they're facing mixed ranks? When they're using voice chat to let others know the killer is headed their way, or not?
This isn't a case of meeting better players, it's more akin to people picking on lower ranks, and abusing thebmatch making system to powerlevel their buddies in easier games.
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Most of the swf groups I play against are alruistic to a fault and I end up with 3 or 4 kills because they swarm the hook and trade downs while maybe one of them is working on gens.1
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@Rebel_Raven said:
People using outside help to win, people abusing match making to go against lower rank killers.
Killers with poor arsenalsnof addons, perks, and offerings havong to deal with that?
Do you even read anymore?So if people use Consoles built in voice communications that's not abusing outside help to win then right?
Ok who's fault is that then, the same is true for survivors with poor arsenals facing deranked killers abusing noobs yet you're not complaining about that.
I do but the question is do you or can you only make up excuses and use deflections?
I did not say you were trying to win anyone over, you're just thorougly not grasping the situation.
But you did, you stated I was trying to win this one in your own words and I fully grasp the situation. The difference is I'm not making up excuses and using deflections everytime my argument gets countered.
Yeah, I'm not budging on this because it's an issue. Your skill doesn't factor in. It's irrelevant If you doge or not. Completely.
You mean you're not budging on making excuses and using deflections, well glad that's finally out in the open now. If you think skill has no factor in a games outcome then there's no point in even discussing things with you.
All your arguments against me boil down to "nothing's wrong, imma brag, git gud." It's tiring going through the same routine over and over again.
No all my arguments against you boil down to stop making up excuses for everytime you lose and blaming anything and everything on anyone but you when you screw up. You're right that it's tiring going through the same old tired and worthless excuses you and the others use trying to deflect onto others or the game.
When someone gives you tips you resort to insults or deflections and then when they show you proof of it being done you resort to more of the same. If that doesn't work their opinion doesn't matter only yours and yours should voer ride theirs.
You haven't suggested anything lately, and you have to have it dragged out of you to suggest anything in threads like this.
That was so bad it required 2 lols because it was so bad.
Your desire for a challenge is irrelevant. Completely.
Especially when it takes more to challenge you than it does others.
That was so bad it gets the WAH treatment.
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Which would possibly work if they weren't ranks above in a mixed SWF where rank does not matter, apparently. Again, I've been seeing people actual colors above me in rank.Peanits said:
If someone has more experience, perks _and_ skill than you, that by definition makes them a better player. You should not win in that case. If someone checks all those boxes and you still win consistently, there's something seriously wrong there. Take the loss, derank, they'll rank up and you won't be matched together anymore. There's no shame in losing. Sometimes I end up against a really good group of survivors and I get destroyed too, but dodging them isn't going to make me any better.Rebel_Raven said:
Yeah maybe easily beatable to someone who has a ton of perks, experience, and killers to pick from, but then there's everyone else.Peanits said:
I'm definitely not trying to win people over. If I was, I would just be agreeing with everything that gets said.Rebel_Raven said:
I've been running into mixed rank SWFs since the Halloween event, obvious smurfs, and people obviously using voice comms to pass along informationthey shouldn't have, too.Peanits said:I don't see the point. It would massively drive up queue times for everyone for no reason. Most SWF groups are no better than solo players, and the rare ones that are tend to be good players to begin with. You'll find that most of the matches you win had SWF groups in it. Having voice chat does not make you faster or better in a chase, good players are good players.
Losing to a good team is not anything to be ashamed of, and I don't see why ruining matchmaking for everyone would be a good solution for the very few extremely coordinated groups out there.
Facing people who have no business being in the same trial as me has gotten worse over the winter event.
Save the "most swf groups are no better than solos" for when the game is balanced around SWF.
Flatly dismissing these issues people have isn't going to win people over.
Most SWF groups are easily defeatable and too often I see people blame their losses on SWF as a scape goat rather than seeing it as an opportunity to improve. They are incredibly predictable and it can be used against them.
And that's not to discount the few groups out there who are committed to trying as hard as possible like they're in the finals of a tournament, they do exist. They're just very rare. Half the time I see someone post a video of that, the killer misses countless swings, loses the survivors, loses mindgaming, runs tiles the wrong way, etc. That's not the fault of SWF, they faced a better player and lost. But rather than accept that they had a bad game and trying to do better next time, they point at that one guy that ran them the entire game and say "SWF."
Making a massive change that hurts everybody for the few groups out there that are actually a problem is silly.
Not the people struggling to get half way there, going through this crap.
See, it reads like you're okay with people with massive rank differences SWFing to pick on people they shouldn't have been in trial with.
You may as well be ok with killers depipping to bully low rank survivors, too.
They don't have to be super sweaty, they're combining their knowledge to screw over a killer when they should not have that knowledge to begin with. They're getting advantages this game isn't balanced around.
If you don't want to see massive changes that would screw over everyone, or close to it, fine, say that.
But dismissing people's issues with SWFs almost entirely? When they're facing mixed ranks? When they're using voice chat to let others know the killer is headed their way, or not?
This isn't a case of meeting better players, it's more akin to people picking on lower ranks, and abusing thebmatch making system to powerlevel their buddies in easier games.
Which might work if the SWF was remotely interested in not being absolutely ruthless.
This isn't fun for killers, and they see the staff more than happy to see them suffer? Really?
If scenarios like this weren't pretty constant in and of themselves, you might have something, but these are common.
Oh, and survivors will depip to go back to where they were if need be to destroy lower rank killers. Lets not kid ourselves.
Saw a thread by a guy that ran into depipping survivors.
This isn't about being better, it's abusing the system, and getting easier games, and survivors are keen on doing it.
Killers are, too, but neither is particularly good when it comes to people trying to climb to having anything half decent to compete.
Again, you're basically saying that you're ok with killers depipping to maul low ranks in giving survivors the pass.2 -
I am 100% okay with the better player(s) winning and the worse players losing, yes.Rebel_Raven said:
Which would possibly work if they weren't ranks above in a mixed SWF where rank does not matter, apparently. Again, I've been seeing people actual colors above me in rank.Peanits said:
If someone has more experience, perks _and_ skill than you, that by definition makes them a better player. You should not win in that case. If someone checks all those boxes and you still win consistently, there's something seriously wrong there. Take the loss, derank, they'll rank up and you won't be matched together anymore. There's no shame in losing. Sometimes I end up against a really good group of survivors and I get destroyed too, but dodging them isn't going to make me any better.Rebel_Raven said:
Yeah maybe easily beatable to someone who has a ton of perks, experience, and killers to pick from, but then there's everyone else.Peanits said:
I'm definitely not trying to win people over. If I was, I would just be agreeing with everything that gets said.Rebel_Raven said:
I've been running into mixed rank SWFs since the Halloween event, obvious smurfs, and people obviously using voice comms to pass along informationthey shouldn't have, too.Peanits said:I don't see the point. It would massively drive up queue times for everyone for no reason. Most SWF groups are no better than solo players, and the rare ones that are tend to be good players to begin with. You'll find that most of the matches you win had SWF groups in it. Having voice chat does not make you faster or better in a chase, good players are good players.
Losing to a good team is not anything to be ashamed of, and I don't see why ruining matchmaking for everyone would be a good solution for the very few extremely coordinated groups out there.
Facing people who have no business being in the same trial as me has gotten worse over the winter event.
Save the "most swf groups are no better than solos" for when the game is balanced around SWF.
Flatly dismissing these issues people have isn't going to win people over.
Most SWF groups are easily defeatable and too often I see people blame their losses on SWF as a scape goat rather than seeing it as an opportunity to improve. They are incredibly predictable and it can be used against them.
And that's not to discount the few groups out there who are committed to trying as hard as possible like they're in the finals of a tournament, they do exist. They're just very rare. Half the time I see someone post a video of that, the killer misses countless swings, loses the survivors, loses mindgaming, runs tiles the wrong way, etc. That's not the fault of SWF, they faced a better player and lost. But rather than accept that they had a bad game and trying to do better next time, they point at that one guy that ran them the entire game and say "SWF."
Making a massive change that hurts everybody for the few groups out there that are actually a problem is silly.
Not the people struggling to get half way there, going through this crap.
See, it reads like you're okay with people with massive rank differences SWFing to pick on people they shouldn't have been in trial with.
You may as well be ok with killers depipping to bully low rank survivors, too.
They don't have to be super sweaty, they're combining their knowledge to screw over a killer when they should not have that knowledge to begin with. They're getting advantages this game isn't balanced around.
If you don't want to see massive changes that would screw over everyone, or close to it, fine, say that.
But dismissing people's issues with SWFs almost entirely? When they're facing mixed ranks? When they're using voice chat to let others know the killer is headed their way, or not?
This isn't a case of meeting better players, it's more akin to people picking on lower ranks, and abusing thebmatch making system to powerlevel their buddies in easier games.
Which might work if the SWF was remotely interested in not being absolutely ruthless.
This isn't fun for killers, and they see the staff more than happy to see them suffer? Really?
If scenarios like this weren't pretty constant in and of themselves, you might have something, but these are common.
Oh, and survivors will depip to go back to where they were if need be to destroy lower rank killers. Lets not kid ourselves.
Saw a thread by a guy that ran into depipping survivors.
This isn't about being better, it's abusing the system, and getting easier games, and survivors are keen on doing it.
Killers are, too, but neither is particularly good when it comes to people trying to climb to having anything half decent to compete.
Again, you're basically saying that you're ok with killers depipping to maul low ranks in giving survivors the pass.
People who intentionally derank are punished, and both sides do that so I'm not sure why you bring that up. It's not exclusive to either side. Derank because you lost is how the system is supposed to work. That'll pair you with people on your skill level and make the matches more fun for all of you.2 -
I just want that they buff Trapper so he has at least a chance against swf.
When you load in against a 4 man swf, you as Trapper are at the survivor's mercy.
You put down a trap to after you leave it's disabled. And then you are left with killer without power.
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It absolutely is abusing outside help becsuse voice comms are not built into the game. Texting, voice, if it isn't in the game, it's third party help.powerbats said:@Rebel_Raven said:
People using outside help to win, people abusing match making to go against lower rank killers.
Killers with poor arsenalsnof addons, perks, and offerings havong to deal with that?
Do you even read anymore?So if people use Consoles built in voice communications that's not abusing outside help to win then right?
Ok who's fault is that then, the same is true for survivors with poor arsenals facing deranked killers abusing noobs yet you're not complaining about that.
I do but the question is do you or can you only make up excuses and use deflections?
I did not say you were trying to win anyone over, you're just thorougly not grasping the situation.
But you did, you stated I was trying to win this one in your own words and I fully grasp the situation. The difference is I'm not making up excuses and using deflections everytime my argument gets countered.
Yeah, I'm not budging on this because it's an issue. Your skill doesn't factor in. It's irrelevant If you doge or not. Completely.
You mean you're not budging on making excuses and using deflections, well glad that's finally out in the open now. If you think skill has no factor in a games outcome then there's no point in even discussing things with you.
All your arguments against me boil down to "nothing's wrong, imma brag, git gud." It's tiring going through the same routine over and over again.
No all my arguments against you boil down to stop making up excuses for everytime you lose and blaming anything and everything on anyone but you when you screw up. You're right that it's tiring going through the same old tired and worthless excuses you and the others use trying to deflect onto others or the game.
When someone gives you tips you resort to insults or deflections and then when they show you proof of it being done you resort to more of the same. If that doesn't work their opinion doesn't matter only yours and yours should voer ride theirs.
You haven't suggested anything lately, and you have to have it dragged out of you to suggest anything in threads like this.
That was so bad it required 2 lols because it was so bad.
Your desire for a challenge is irrelevant. Completely.
Especially when it takes more to challenge you than it does others.That was so bad it gets the WAH treatment.
I'm not going to fight on multiple fronts, and it's not as easy to catch depipped killers.
They don't often have telltale signs like different color ranks all at once.
If you have a problem with it, say something.
You haven't countered anything. If you countered anything I wouldn't be making these posts.
Your arguments are useless.
It boils down to "stop whining, i brag about myself, git gud."
Might have misread that you thought I thought win people over, not win this debate which is a hilarious notion because you've failed to make a decent point. If you had, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Oh, it's tiring for you, too? How about you stop replying to me, then?
SWF is a plague, and the devs are too scared to do anything about it.
Until there's balance, and/or compensation, you won't hear the last of me.
Don't talk about offering tips when you only do it under duress in the particular thread, and not a second sooner. Other threads do not really mean much since people don't stalk you to read your posts. Oh, and Inasked you about apllying pressure on survivors and you never got back to me. Other than that your tips aren't that great.
And when the hell have I insulted you?
Hey, I'm not the one disregarding your opinion, here. I fully acknowledge that your experience is different because you're far better equipped than the people SWFs love to stomp.
But you? You're the one acting like everything is perfectly fine based solely on your own experience. Gut gud, stop complaining, take being matched with people you should have never seen in the first place, and be quiet.
HEY, link the last thread you made suggesting something to improve the game? Or the last real tip you gave in a comment?
You should have an archive of your own content.
All i ever really see you do is attacking people who complain about facing SWFs these days.
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Peanits said:
I am 100% okay with the better player(s) winning and the worse players losing, yes.Rebel_Raven said:
Which would possibly work if they weren't ranks above in a mixed SWF where rank does not matter, apparently. Again, I've been seeing people actual colors above me in rank.Peanits said:
If someone has more experience, perks _and_ skill than you, that by definition makes them a better player. You should not win in that case. If someone checks all those boxes and you still win consistently, there's something seriously wrong there. Take the loss, derank, they'll rank up and you won't be matched together anymore. There's no shame in losing. Sometimes I end up against a really good group of survivors and I get destroyed too, but dodging them isn't going to make me any better.Rebel_Raven said:
Yeah maybe easily beatable to someone who has a ton of perks, experience, and killers to pick from, but then there's everyone else.Peanits said:
I'm definitely not trying to win people over. If I was, I would just be agreeing with everything that gets said.Rebel_Raven said:
I've been running into mixed rank SWFs since the Halloween event, obvious smurfs, and people obviously using voice comms to pass along informationthey shouldn't have, too.Peanits said:I don't see the point. It would massively drive up queue times for everyone for no reason. Most SWF groups are no better than solo players, and the rare ones that are tend to be good players to begin with. You'll find that most of the matches you win had SWF groups in it. Having voice chat does not make you faster or better in a chase, good players are good players.
Losing to a good team is not anything to be ashamed of, and I don't see why ruining matchmaking for everyone would be a good solution for the very few extremely coordinated groups out there.
Facing people who have no business being in the same trial as me has gotten worse over the winter event.
Save the "most swf groups are no better than solos" for when the game is balanced around SWF.
Flatly dismissing these issues people have isn't going to win people over.
Most SWF groups are easily defeatable and too often I see people blame their losses on SWF as a scape goat rather than seeing it as an opportunity to improve. They are incredibly predictable and it can be used against them.
And that's not to discount the few groups out there who are committed to trying as hard as possible like they're in the finals of a tournament, they do exist. They're just very rare. Half the time I see someone post a video of that, the killer misses countless swings, loses the survivors, loses mindgaming, runs tiles the wrong way, etc. That's not the fault of SWF, they faced a better player and lost. But rather than accept that they had a bad game and trying to do better next time, they point at that one guy that ran them the entire game and say "SWF."
Making a massive change that hurts everybody for the few groups out there that are actually a problem is silly.
Not the people struggling to get half way there, going through this crap.
See, it reads like you're okay with people with massive rank differences SWFing to pick on people they shouldn't have been in trial with.
You may as well be ok with killers depipping to bully low rank survivors, too.
They don't have to be super sweaty, they're combining their knowledge to screw over a killer when they should not have that knowledge to begin with. They're getting advantages this game isn't balanced around.
If you don't want to see massive changes that would screw over everyone, or close to it, fine, say that.
But dismissing people's issues with SWFs almost entirely? When they're facing mixed ranks? When they're using voice chat to let others know the killer is headed their way, or not?
This isn't a case of meeting better players, it's more akin to people picking on lower ranks, and abusing thebmatch making system to powerlevel their buddies in easier games.
Which might work if the SWF was remotely interested in not being absolutely ruthless.
This isn't fun for killers, and they see the staff more than happy to see them suffer? Really?
If scenarios like this weren't pretty constant in and of themselves, you might have something, but these are common.
Oh, and survivors will depip to go back to where they were if need be to destroy lower rank killers. Lets not kid ourselves.
Saw a thread by a guy that ran into depipping survivors.
This isn't about being better, it's abusing the system, and getting easier games, and survivors are keen on doing it.
Killers are, too, but neither is particularly good when it comes to people trying to climb to having anything half decent to compete.
Again, you're basically saying that you're ok with killers depipping to maul low ranks in giving survivors the pass.
People who intentionally derank are punished, and both sides do that so I'm not sure why you bring that up. It's not exclusive to either side. Derank because you lost is how the system is supposed to work. That'll pair you with people on your skill level and make the matches more fun for all of you.
Geezus.
How are people who intentionally depip punished? I mean DC isn't the only way to do it.
More over like I said, SWF can have mixed ranks. No depip needed. A purple, or green rank can beat up tan ranks.
Hell, one our very own forumites had an unintentional but very real encounter where red ranks trolled a lvl 18 into oblivion and only felt bad because of the rank gap.
I don't have a problem with my rank, i have a problem with the ranks of the people I go against.
Swf ignores differences in ranks, and pits me very often against people who shouldn't be facing me.
I have a problem with how much advantage survivors can get to overwhelm a killer via third party, and teaming up in ways this game isn't balanced for.
Git gud isn't an acceptable answer.2 -
The point being is the high rank survivors queuing with low rank survivors as host which pushes the matchmaking to search off the swf host that’s a low rank it’s not that they got out played they got out experienced which is why teams are using this legit way of smurfing to get into low ranks. Turn on a ps4 got into the dbd communities and see for yourself they intentionally look for low ranks to swf with to bypass having to derank to smurf. This is not cool that the staff condones this and blames a less experienced killer forced to deal with people that have way more playtime and map experience. Again this is just as bad as Matthieu telling people go play another game go outside. Toxic staff breeds toxic players.
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6 month old post. My God the necros lately. 😂
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They should take a page from identity v have a call out system the devs can disable party chat from the game but they won’t, but should. Identity v have like 5 call outs like killer is near me go focus on decrypting and I’m out of here get out of here there’s your in game communication. They won’t do anything though look at this community staff advocating and condoning deranking and matchmaking exploits you should not be able to match make lower than within your 5 rank bracket. Also if you do it should definitely put you in the average of the highest 2 ranks in the swf. People will say but I want to play with my friends good so just like killers are being told tell your friend get good and rank up that way you can play together. There should not be outside communication other than in Kyf . As I. Said toxic staff breed toxic community.
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They should, but i doubt they will.
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I don't understand why old posts aren't archived like literally every message board ever.
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sees SWF group in lobby :/
picks Nurse and ebony mori :)
problem solved
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The funny thing is people who ask for the option to not vs a swf team are the same people who will complain about the long waiting time. How big would the swf need to be to block them? 2, 3 or 4 players?
A swf team normally consists of 4 really good players playing with each other and sharing information. I would like to see what happens if they buffed solo players and the information they get from their team.
Playing solo survivor is horrible because you get those players who can't loop and just hide the whole game. If I was part of a really good team who weren't using mics I would still expect to escape just as easily as in a swf team.
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Ah, but then after that one glance of success you get the chain DCs, followed by an undeserved de-pip anyway.
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It’s not necroed if topic is still relevant, if I made another post I’d get bitched at by you no life forum trolls still, for not looking it up on the forums so go back to bed child.
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