The insane grind

sorry didn't mean to remind you and congrats on getting all killers to P3

Its making me wish i never found the game at all but now im emotianlly invested getting p3 on all charavters

Simply reducing the size of the webbs isn't cutting it anymore. There needs to be a serious overhaul. Either remove the perk tiers, the blood point cap, or allow players to unlock the perk that they want when they want it.

I don't think "get every single character to 3-50" is the goal of the game. I mean, it might be your personal goal if you have a certain kind of completionism, but it's not the final, roll-credits end of the game. I don't think BHVR intends for that to be the ultimate goal of the game either, so they're not going to tune progression or give you every character to support that goal.

An average match typically gives me enough BP to finish one high-level page of a bloodweb, which I think is as it should be. If I want more BP from a match, I can always add a tome challenge or daily (if one's available). AND BHVR is constantly giving away codes for BP; right now you can use the code CIPHERSALAD to get 150k BP for free. That progression seems totally fine to me. I have a few killers at 3-50, and everyone else at 1-50 or 2-50, and I frequently max out my BP because I don't particularly want to prestige anyone and clear their inventory.

A nice thing about the way DbD is structured is that there are multiple options for "goals", including the aforementioned "getting every character to 3-50", finishing the current tome (or all tomes), getting to killer / survivor rank 1, etc., but there's no "final" goal to the game.

Get rid of perk tiers, double the BP from matches, sell back undesirable stuff from the bloodweb, and toggle an option to stop 1 or 2 things from showing up in each character's bloodweb. Boom. Grind solved. But not one of these things has even been considered.

Yea, I would not recommend this game to new players at all. Until they change how the bloodweb and grind works, no one should pick this up. But I doubt they'll change anything, not like they actually listen to the community on actual healthy game changes.

I only managed to start by having two years of Halloween BP saved, so I could at least get some perks and add-ons on someone (thanks, generic Demogorgon stuff, for giving me access to one gen regression ability). Can't imagine it's super fun to begin with absolutely nothing; you're not going to be matched against that much if at all.

The grind is not fine.

I have been playing since the PS4 launch and only stopped for a year from Twins to Nemesis; have well over 1k hours which should be way more than enough to be able to play with the things I've spent money on.

I have the meta build on 1 survivor and stopped spending BP on that role, also haven't unlocked a majority of teachables.

I still don't have the perks I want on all killers, let alone all perks on all killers, and have only prestiged 1 killer Pig once before I realised what a mistake it was.

I also haven't unlocked 1 or 2 teachable from some of the killers whose perks are trash so they don't pollute the bloodwebs of my other killers until I have the perks I want.

They should remove perk tiers, and remove teachables from the bloodweb so they are unlocked from the character screen instead of taking up 1 of the 4 perks each lv50 bloodweb.

Also the entity can be helpful when eating trash I don't want, but its pretty much guaranteed to take the good thing you want; such as always taking lv1 BBQ NoeD Ruin etc instead of lv2 or 3 trash perks like Hangman's Trick and Monstrous Shrine, there's almost certainly a priority list to make it take the better options first and is not based simply on rarity.

It's because they're scared that reducing the gtind will means players having nothing to work towards and thus won't play the game.

But there's going to be a breaking point at some point where the grind is simply too much for new players and user numbers will start to decline.

They need to make the change before that happens, not after.

A lot of times I'll use my lvl 50 characters to help level up my other ones. Like if they have any 100% offerings, cakes, pudding, or party streamers. I'll use all of them up and spend it on another character.

Honestly I think we're already there. Yet another killer and survivor is about to be released with their own set of perks, and since everything needs to be leveled up to tier three to be the most effective, means that everyone's in store for a massive grind, especially if they want those perks on all of their killers and survivors. And like you said, God forbid if you are a new player because you're getting screwed the most.

I'm not prestiging a single character once. I have completely written off any possibility of ever getting a prestige skin. (Imagine the grind being so much that new players are essentially locked out of some of the content simply because they didn't start playing earlier)

It's still taken me a year to get to the point where I have 90% of the perks on 3 main killers and 3 survivors. Most of the rest are barebones at level 40 or just barely level 50.

The only character I have completely maxed out is Jake, and even then there are a few perks I haven't unlocked at all yet because I don't own all characters.

And while survivors might essentially be skins and you can just level them to 40 and be done with them, the same can't be said for killlers.

If you want enough good perks, or even just one particular perk like Ruin or BBQ, you could see yourself needing to grind to level 100 or 150 on that killer. Now repeat for any other killers you want to play.

I think the best change they could make, at this time in the games life, without completely removing perk tiers, would be to make all unlocked perks available immediately at tier 1.

This would essentially reduce the grind by a third per character, but more than that, it means you don't need to grind out any specific perks. Once you get the character to 40 and unlock them, all your other killers/survivor have them, at tier 1.

You can then make whatever builds you want to try out, and still have the option of grinding further to get them to tier 3 to be more effective.

It would also mean if you do decide to prestige a character, you will 'only' need to grind them to level 150, and you will immediately have a full set of viable perks with which to play with. Instead of being forced to grind out to level 300 before your well-earned bloody clothes are even viable to show off.

It sucks, yeah.

Oh look, all the perks I want to use, whether meta or because of fun interactions, are spread out across like five characters aside from the ones I want to play! Totally enjoying the "spend a week grinding someone to 40 because I just want access to one perk". /s

I'm not even doing any Prestige level 3 and I have 2K hours with the game and the grind is still so much lmao. Game becomes more grindy the more characters you unlock

You mean the cap for earning per match or the cap for BP stored?

Because the first one would help killers a bit (survivors less so unless some categories would then be super inflated); the latter only helps people who're already mostly done grinding.

Honestly? Both! With the massive grind that players have to contend with, especially new players, at this stage there's just no point in having a cap anymore. And if you're not going to remove the cap, then raise it, and raise it considerably!

Yeah perk tiers need to go.

Would also allow them to be more creative with perks without having to add a scaling element to it like with shadowstep where it has a lingering effect purelly for the reason of being able to split it into tiers