a fair NOED nerf?

NOED is fine.

You can't honestly tell me that NOED is fair for Solo's

Yes.

So just to get this into perspective. Its a unbearable task for a solo survivor to cleanse 4/5 totems, but cleansing 5+ boons is totally fine for killers?

Please don´t pretend like the solo survivor HAS to do everything. Because there are 3 more, that can also do bones.

Oh, I do. And I actually took down some stats for around 24 games. Want to see?

You've seen me around. I was one of the first people to say Boons were going to be an issue and I stand wholeheartedly by that. Boons are a huge issue.

That doesn't mean I don't recognize that NOED is also a very unhealthy perk. In my experience, in my games, all 5 totems are done extremely rarely. It almost never happens.

NOED should give you instant downs per remaining Dull Totem. Survivors didn't do any totems? 5 instant downs, they deserve it. They did 4? One instant down, you still get pressure or a Kill depending on who it is.

As of this moment, NOED is basically useless against SWF but extremely good against Solo's. Does that not seem to be an unhealthy design? Should we not want it changed into something more healthy and usable?

Your carefully selected stats from your small sample of carefully selected games. Sure, why not.

I will say what I said when I used to argue over why DS should be nerfed.

If a perk changes your style of play in order to directly counter it without any proof of said perk being in play, something is wrong. The real reason people don't want NOED to be changed is because it would be a nerf to Killers, which I agree, we shouldn't be doing right now.

How many times was NOED in the trial? How many times did it activate when it was present? How many times was it not present?

It means activated, my apologies.

There was one game where NOED activated, but it was cleansed immediately because someone was cleansing the Dull as it changed into a Hex.

Cleansing a totem is not difficult.

Making sure in soloq that all 5 are cleansed is the difficult part. Organizing a search in soloq for that last totem is the difficult part. There is no communication to tell which areas were cleaned. So it is a lot harder for solo players to deal with it.

Getting hit by an unexpected NoED is the unfair part. Getting hit by NoED after you cleaned some totems is the unfair part.

But it seems like you don't want to understand this for some reason. Also why are you mixing boons into this? If you think they are unfair start a separate thread about it. But you saying that boons are unfair therefore NoED is also fine proves my point and you also admit that NoED is not good in it's current state and needs a rework.

The main change to NOED I'd like to see to help solos is that if you cleansed 2+ totems your just immune to NOED's expose.

However the killer gets to see on the HUD which survivors are expose and which ones aren't.

It would encourage people to do bone as not doing bones is what makes you vulnerable to it while giving solos a way to get around NOED regardless of their teammates ignoring bones.

How would you buff it?

It is.

My stats do support that. Out of 24 games, how many times did we cleanse all 5 totems?

NOED has always only punished lazy survivors that only push gens. Survivors are somehow allergic to do bones. Even when the killer isn´t pressuring and has like 2 hooks by the time the gates are powered.

When they then get hit by NOED, it es entirely their own fault. You can´t tell me that survivors can´t take 14 seconds to cleanse a dull totem when they are not being chased. Small Game really helps with that. It has a totem counter and people should really consider changing their loadout, if they keep having problems with NOED.

I remember a particular match, when old Undying was still a thing, where i cleansed 5 hex totems alone. While my teammates took turn on the hook (they farmed each other). Then after the match, they complained how OP Undying Ruin is, when they didn´t even touch a gen.

In resumen: do bones and ask your teammates before the match, to also do them.

The fact that survivors can repair all gens by the time the killer gets his third hook is fair?

NOED doesn´t magically drop all 4 survivors to the floor. He still needs to find and hit them.

I already replied to you why it is unfair, but you seem to ignore that message. and still pushing this "how easy it is to do bones".

Ask your teammates before match? Most people don't even read it ignore those messages. And if they are on console they won't even see the messages.

Sure... maybe you are a super awesome survivor who repairs gen, cleanses a totem and even heals another survivor all at the same time while also looping the killer. But for the rest of us solo players noed is extremely bad and unfair as I described in my comment earlier.

Yeah... Bring small game for NoED, DS and BT for camper tunnelers, etc etc. Needing to bring a perk to be able to counter an unfair element of the game is not a good solution.

I do, in fact, bring Small Game. I get to count how most people don't do totems in Solo Q.

I'm currently gathering more data to back this up. I have played another 50-ish games and I'm aiming to get to 200.

If the Survivors are winning, sure, they should be doing totems. Zero reason not to. But if they aren't, if it's 6 hooks and 3 gens, they literally do not have time.

Why don't you want it changed into something more useful? Is it just because it would be a nerf to Killers?

There is no point in continuing this discussion. Enjoy you are the awesome survivor who handles everything.

So, you think old Object of Obsession was a fair perk? Because we know the Kill Rates for people who used OoO were through the roof.

Likewise, Pig's Kill Rate is very high. Should we nerf Pig into the ground because she has a 60% Kill Rate?

No, of course not. Because there is nuance.

I do not believe you are intending to discuss this in good faith, mostly because of your "buff" idea. So I'm done speaking to someone who isn't going to take anything seriously.

Have a good one.

I'm taking more stats like I said.

Maybe I'll equip NOED on my Killer's and record how often it activates. Would you be interested in seeing that?

Agreed we should end the debate. Anyone who uses the "whataboutery" argument has already lost.

It is irrelevant what I think about Pig and OOO (be happy to talk about those separately) My opinion on NOED (the source of the discussion) remains, based on my experiences, and stats provided, are it is fine.

The reason for my buff idea was a counter to how survivor sided the game is atm.

I enjoyed that debate. Sorry you feel the need to end it because we disagree.

That is not why I ended it.