Are There Any Plans to Improve the "Fun" Aspect of the Game at High MMR?

I would hope that shaking up the formula could do something, and I'd be very willing to try it, but I'm afraid that it'd backfire and between comms and learned spawn locations, you'd get the same problem as before - coordinated teams can blitz through that stage and then gens fly faster than ever. Still, trying something new could help pinpoint where to make changes even if it doesn't pan out, so it's a good idea to try out.

Top MMR games are problematic because they're essentially maximum efficiency and there is zero flexibility in how to play them - meta slavery on both sides, killers shackled to hard tunneling and camping, and survivors versing the same three killers every game because no one else is remotely viable. Changing the objective around would be something, but I'm not sure it addresses the root of the problem. SBMM makes it so that you always get max-intensity matches at a certain point. Previously red ranks were a mixed bag, and rank 1 survivors meant anywhere from moderately competent randoms to a 4-stack with 20k hours between them. Same went for killers. That had its own problems (the moderately competent randoms got stomped quite a bit), but while those players are in a better spot now, the top players are stuck in a sweatfest that barely resembles the rest of the game at all - or maybe just the worst of it. You have to play an extremely specific version of the game, one that doesn't especially allow for creativity or fun, and matchmaking won't put you anywhere else. It's relentless.

So. I'm sincerely hoping the answer to this question is yes, but I haven't seen much evidence that BHVR considers top-level play when it comes to game balance.

I mean it sounds like you want your build to stomp people at the top level.

Also your games should theoretically revolve around you doing decent a few, having a good few, and you getting beat. You wouldn't necessarily stomp everyone once you got low enough.

MMR is invisible number. How do you all define your MMR as high or low?

Personally I go by the efficiency of my teammates or the enemy survivors paired with their in-game hours.

If I see excessive co-ordination like body blocking, well executed BT swarm plays, taking killer agro, saving death hook teammates, and especially if ~4 gens gone within 5 minutes on top of all of that, that's all usually a good indicator of high MMR.

Never hurts the theory when the survivors have 2-8k hours of game time either.

Did I get it right? You lose against good players. And you keep playing against good players over and over. And your MMR not going down to comfortable niche with equal opponents.

If it stressful you should probably change your win condition. For example get 4 stacks of BBQ and over 25k bp. It doesn't mean you should not aim to 4k. Just make killing survivors your secondary objective.

If you not having fun for securing kills by slugging/camping/tunneling, you should probably look for fun in chases and interesting ways to play killer. Like crossmap hatchets as Huntress or distant Victor pounces as Twins. Try M2 only Hillbilly or M2 only Nemesis. You can find guilty pleasure in securing head pop as Pig. Some killers have game changing addons that open different side of gameplay.

I mean you can find your own Fun in game.

You may want to define when fun is achieved for you? Was it fun when playing killer as 4k+ Hours vs 4x survivors with 100-500 hours playtime opponents? What sbmm has achieved and mentioned by the devs in their Q&A was to prevent the stomp games. As you said yourself you have to lower your mmr in order to get stressfree matches. So what is fun then? This is a highly subjective topic so i would love to hear your definition of what fun is. This might help the devs understand rather than "Make the game fun for me".

Fun is what you make of it (within reasonable parameters). The game provides you an experience. If that experience is no longer fun, or the way you play is no longer fun - change the way you play or stop playing. I'm not trying to sound mean, but you can't expect people to make you have fun.

A working MMR should separate the new/bad players from the best players. This part of the MMR is "mostly" working and I hope the devs contine to refine it. The problem is that at high MMR, organised survivors against most killers just win. They don't have to play really well, they can afford to make mistakes and it won't affect the outcome.

I hope the devs are monitoring the performance of the game at the top level and can come up with some balance changes that will address this. They could do it with some adjustments to the survivor meta perks, adjustments to gen regression or even start buffing solos to lessen the SWF advantage to make the balancing easier.

If the better killers players stop playing killer, that means that less skilled players then have to face these survivors. Then they will quit too.

You can't label a game a 'survivor party game' then have one ranked mode, then add MMR (which was never in the equation in terms of game balance) and then proceed to not balance the game where balance matters most. The reason games balance from the top down is because the things with the biggest impact really only effect those at the top, and the ones at the bottom won't really "feel" the nerfs because a bad player using DH is vastly different than a good one if DH was nerfed, for example.

But when 95% of your playerbase is in the casual/new player category, then it doesn't really matter about those at the top, even if you could balance the game, why go through all that effort if you don't have to? So long as your target audience is still flowing.

I probably should know the answer to this, but can you tell me what is making most of your matches miserable?

MMR is why I quit the game. They took 1 year to make a worse system and think it’s great