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You aren't a victim for playing Killer.
Good lord, this crowd is tiring.
I can't even be bothered to make a long-winded bit about it-- zero enthusiasm.
Just nonstop woe-is-me, won't someone think of the killers, why are we still here, just to suffer levels of on and on and on pity partying. The way they talk about it, you'd think this is their 9-to-5 full time job than something that should be their enjoyment.
You're not a killer. You're a person at a computer. The moment you give "killer solidarity" and assure another poor up-and-coming killer main with your pained smile that this is just the way it is for your mutual oppressed underclass is when you have officially lost yourself in the sauce. You have stopped being a person at a computer, and you are now a part of the pity party aggregate.
Can you have your complaints about the power of Killers?
You sure can. In fact, normal people do it all the time. I do it. There's a real thing to complain about there, and people who don't treat this game like a bad match is all it's going to take to send you into a heart attack are fully respectable in doing so.
But not this crowd. No, it's personal. It's not like you can just-- drop the game since it's apparently unbearable agony to play killer, and you apparently know this fact every single time you decide load into a game.
Because you can't just drop the drug, right?
No, what you really need to do is keep playing this game you apparently don't enjoy anyway, get real bitter and angry at those dirty coddled survivors and engage in passive-aggressive warfare in between jabs at those damn survivors and damn biased BHVR. Because you have bad matches in an unbalanced multiplayer game, and you're somehow surprised every time.
Jesus.
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Elden ring is pretty hype. I wish February comes around sooner
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I see what you did there.
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No offense I'm trying to ######### on you or your beliefs or anything but the majority of killers ik that have played the game for a long time don't take it so personally and just want the game to be more balanced
All those complaint threads you see are new killers shocked games aren't easy and wondering how the game can be so unbalanced
Us vets aren't really bothered by it, it's been that way for years it's just with sbmm it's really been highlighting the imbalance so more and more people complain
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Woof.
Okay, let me see if I can explain, because while - yes - gaming forums tend to be negative, killer players do have some very legitimate gripes that are clearly not being addressed.
- Yes, this is a game. We are all playing a videogame. To have fun. When that game is not fun for a lot of people, they come to the forums and give feedback. And yes, it's in the nature of the internet that any feedback you agree with is complete genius and if the devs don't implement it NOW they don't care about the playerbase and that any feedback you don't agree with is whining and should probably result in them just being banned from the game, but sometimes - you do need to at least listen to the other side. Even when you disagree.
- You are free to agree or disagree. What you don't get to do is to tell them not to give their opinion.
- When people take the time to complain about something on the forums, it's because they are passionate about that game. They really like it - even if they are frustrated with it in the moment. And the better something is, the more it's flaws become apparent.
- Plenty of absolutely absurd stuff in the game has never been fixed, or even addressed. There are still infinites. There aren't many maps that favor killers, and the 'survivor sided' maps outnumber the 'balanced' maps. Some killers still have bugs. A ton of addons and perks aren't worth running, or can even be worse than an empty slot.
- Only a few killers are viable at high MMR play, and many that weren't still got nerfed. That's really frustrating.
- MMR threw the cat among the pigeons, as high MMR killers are now facing a lot more high MMR survivors than they were before, which only makes these imbalances more apparent.
I honestly don't know what you intend to accomplish by this thread. People are giving feedback - some well written, some inelegantly. Some of it may just be outright wrong (I know I totally disagree with a lot of the MMR complaints). A lot of the time, it's people that are frustrated just letting off a little steam.
That said - they are still taking their time to give that feedback.
As these are the forums where we are supposed to do that - why not just lay off and let them do this? This post really does come over as rather meanspirited.
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I agree I'm irritated by the fact they Added SBMM in the first place without planning it out better but I don't even sweat SWFs anymore because if I don't want to face them I'll just pass on the lobby.
Also....it isn't anything different as the Survivor Main complaint threads about nerfing every killer and perk in the game tbh.
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I agree me personally I'm sick of all the nerf this nerf that threads
Why can't we be asking for more buffs for everyone?
Ik this is gonna sound like a dumb philosophy but personally I believe it after playing fighting games for years
"If everything is busted then nothing is busted"
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Like I said-- there's real things to complain about here, and normal, well-articulated people who don't treat this game like it's life talk about it all the time, which is good, because I usually agree with complaints about the state of killer.
But the well-functioning and articulate group aren't the ones i'm talking about here.
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I agree.
There are certain people on these boards that really stick in my craw.
But...sometimes you have to approach it with a bit of charity. Not everyone is articulate, especially when they are annoyed.
I still think that it's important to at least give them a chance to get their side in.
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Eh. I hate to pull the whataboutism card, but the forum's more or less a spectrum of opinions that go from anywhere between 'BHVR coddles survivors, who are the worst people ever, and eternally oppress us poor downtrodden killers' to 'BHVR empowers killers, who are the worst people ever, and eternally oppress us poor downtrodden survivors.' If it's a scale of -10 to 10, most people will be like a -3 or a 2, and it's not until absolute value 6 that you start getting nutty.
Some people here have reasonable opinions and some people play the DBD-edition oppression olympics, marching on a perpetual crusade to right the endless wrongs against their tribe. It's not worth generalizing the temperament of either group because they've both got their basket cases and can easily be generalized by the loudest voices within them, but at the same time, the majority of people bring up legitimate grievances and have realistic views on them, and don't like it when you splash them with the 'you're all whiny idiots' brush.
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Already made my pre order.
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I'm just old and tired of this game.
If there was an alternative game, I'd play it, but there's not.
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Totally agree,I have played for over five years and the game is probably better than it was in the early days however yes there are balancing issues and the MMR needs reworked but other than that my biggest gripe when playing killer is the entitlement of particularly newer survivors to critique your play style if your a nano second longer near them when on hook (camping) or if they happen to cross your path after being unhooked even many minutes after,and you either down or pursue them(tunnelling).🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
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But teabagging OP! Strangers on the internet hurt my feelings with clicky-clicky and now I cry myself to sleep every night after a hard day's work of tunneling the toxic survivors. Also, all survivors are toxic.
Eh, crap, sorry, I can't do it. I can already tell I'm not selling it.
DbD excels at frustrating and tilting people. It happens to players on both sides. The game is designed in such a way that it's damn near impossible for the two sides not to victimize themselves. As a killer, when survivors click and teabag and taunt when you're already frustrated and struggling, it feels personal. When playing survivor and a killer camps and tunnels and slugs, it feels personal. Is it personal? No. The rational mind knows that. But this game's design... killers and survivors don't feel like they're playing a game together; they feel like they're trying to play a game in spite of each other. And so here we are: the "everything that stops me from doing whatever I want is unfair and toxic" mentality.
No, it's not cool. But unfortunately it's not surprising, either. Very, very tiring, but not surprising.
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Nothing wrong with passing lobbies. If I even get a hint of a potential SWF, I will skip that lobby. Reason being is I am fairly certain what is coming. 4 DH, 4 DS, and 4 BT along with BNP and purple med kits with purple add-ons and probably a Badham, RPD, or Haddonfield offering. The gens will be done within 5 minutes and I'll have been lucky to get two hooks by that time.
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Eh. People will feel how they feel and there's nothing much you can do to change minds no matter how condescending the posts are, there are valid things to complain about and there aren't but the reason why it feels so unbearable here it's just the nature of the game. The four against the one and that just breeds resentment no matter what, you can't do anything about it. Be nice, be fair, be mean I don't think it matters too much in the end since as the killer you are the antagonist and people will hate you regardless of what you do and to do that I just say indulge in the fact that you're bad guy every now and then. You don't need to be a total jerk but just do stuff that you know will get under the skin of people every now and then and let off the steam.
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The sad part is that for some of them this is probably their 9-5. They have nothing else going on with their lives, so they have a duty to complain about virtually anything regarding DBD.
Because some people seem undoubtedly invested to the point where just flat out removing the game from their library isn’t a choice anymore. Since it would make their lives look pretty boring.
I work 12 hour days, and I’ve taken 2 semi long breaks in the span of a little over 6k hours. I didn’t do it because the game was in any specific “shape”, I did it because there are other games I was waiting to play (Aliens Fireteam/ Diablo Resurrected). Even with how addictive the game is I am glad I am able to put it down if I need to.
A game defining your day/mood is the worst thing you can do for yourself… and if you’re letting it happen more than once, that says more about you than the game tbh.
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Well, form what I know a lot of killers actually stopped playing dbd lately, including me.
First I have started to play survivors more and then just stopped.
and I think it makes sense to say reasons why we did it...
Yeah, as a lot of players here I stay on forum, because it's actually more fun to read those comments than actual dbd.
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People are dropping the game. OTZ made a video about it.
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This is literally just the opposite of the pity party crowd lol
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The real sad part is the game was supposed to be a deadly game of hide and sneak where the Killer is the dominant deadly power role and the survivors are the weaker role trying to hide from the killer while trying to repair the gens......how the heck did we wander so far from that original concept.
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Sometimes after difficult trial with 0 kills, you get nervous, starting to yell at survivors and drop your mood...
Sometimes you see the way, goals to achieve, perks to unlock, powers to learn and master.
But mostly both happen.
That will go on, untill all your hope for 4k is lost... and you are useless to the Entity.
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Let me just say... I love you. This post is so spot on. Killer really isn't that bad.
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Same i cant wait if elden ring is anything like dark souls or better im probably going to be away of any game for at least a year
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It's always hard to tell.
You don't know what MMR, you don't know what killers, you don't know playstyle, you don't know perks.
Yeah, if you are playing Blight with Ruin, Pop, BBQ, Tinkerer that game is quite balanced...
You can't really say killer overall is not that bad. It's not that bad for new players, where you have weak links everywhere, but that just doesn't work since SBMM.
It's not that bad for top 3 killers and it's not that bad when you stack slow-down perks, but that's just removes your option to play for fun sometimes.
Every killer main eventually get to play against good survivors and because of how MMR work, in high MMR are mostly SWF, because it's just way easier to get there as SWF compare to soloQ.
Then you have two options, get used to losing, or start losing on purpose for like 10-15 games, so you can have fun again...
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It baffles me too tbh, my spare time is precious to me so I can't imagine ever pushing myself to through a game I'm not having fun it idk
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That's what happens when you spent a lot of time on something...
You remember how you used to have fun and you just hope it will get better, but it will not.
It takes some time to give up and before that you try to give feedback in hope to change something.
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Exactly, the survivors are the victim. Killers are the killer. Thank you for setting the record straight.
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I am on break too for multiple reasons, not just SBMM.
Before it used to be:
it gets frustrating at times
now it is:
it gets fun at times
Well, just my experience tho
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Yeah, I used to have lot of games where survivors do fun things.
I always had rule: if you make me laugh = you escape
but that was just super rare for me lately.
SBMM, Grade system, validation, undeserved nerfs (Wraith, DS) and CoH made me have a break.
I am gonna play some games with new killer and see how it goes...
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For me it was Wraith and Deathslinger.
Deathslinger is just not fun at all for me. Those nerfs killed him for me.
Wraith got worse too, that basekit nerf was super undeserved imo and it just feels bad when you whiff around loops because of that shorter lunge...
Deathslinger was main reason to keep playing, but he is just not fun anymore. They screwed him a lot imo
I always liked hit & run, but then they created CoH...
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Don't get me started on validation. I hate it so much.
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My issue is that they are saying it's to fix lagging killers etc.
For ######### sake I have under 30 ms, so I really don't think it is deserved to get validated multiple times per game, because survivors have high ping. It's not my fault we see different things...
I could accept pallets, but why the ######### they would make it more often with DH.
They are not able to fix incorrect feedback, which is super frustrating every time you lose game for validation and make it more often... ######### that
Validation made Wrath way less fun, because he probably gets it most -> pure M1 killer
Then they nerf Wraith and create CoH... RIP
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But there are, right? Should be some alternatives on PC but none quite hit the mark like DbD.
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I have to agree with you.
The game has problems and people are allowed to voice those problems. But there is a certain crowd that is way to melodramatic about it.
It especially grinds my gears when they start slinging terms like bullying or victim blaming.
Sorry but being beaten in a video game is not bullying. It doesn't matter how badly you were beaten and you aren't being victim blamed if people say that maybe the issue lies in your gameplay.
These are extremly serious terms and using them for something so petty is frankly insulting to those who were actually the victim of bullying or victimblaming
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Oooh ELDEN RING!
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The killer role actually has been victimized by the devs. They've had years to make the game balanced for both sides, but they've led us on all that time with this facade that killer nerfs/buffs and survivor nerfs/buffs are about the same, but that's not even close to the reality. The reality is that it if you want the game to be balanced for both sides, you will see each update be a 1 step forward, 2 steps back type of situation for killers. In some cases killers get nothing but nerfs.
The core game is set up for the killer to get no kills when both they and the survivors play at their absolute best, and that coupled with constantly getting sh*t on and sold out by the developers in favor of survivor win simulator, starts to get on your nerves after a while. The only reason not every post on these forums are killer complaints is because there are so many survivor mains that are in denial about all this, and think stuff like BBQ is OP because they've played 40 hours of killer at low MMR.
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It's bad when you auto-lose because you picked a lower tier killer instead of a top tier one.
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Sucks that I play on Console, doesn't it.
I've been given the short end of the stick for years, I'm used to it by now.
In all honestly, my cynicism from my own illness is probably leaking into my thoughts on DBD, I really can't tell anymore.
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I do agree that these "nerf this and nerf that" threads are getting annoying but on the other hand people want to talk about balance in this game
It throws me for a loop when players have to give the time they played this game to validate their opinion and their highest "grade"
Why can't people just say oh well that happened... and if they want to fix it then it's on them to do so... if not then 🤷♂️
Forums are meant to take in information and feedback but for the most part it's where players can talk and discuss things about the game
But yea let's buff some perks now... can we????
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Hehe i have the same rule. If survivor can make me laugh during the game i'll spare her or him, if the game gets to that point of course.
If you are toxic and an ass ill tunnel you down. No regrets. You don't deserve to live.
I played my ghostyboy yesterday...3 games i mustered the strenght in me to do. In these 3 games 2/3 i got 1 kill in both... 1!! both times i got red forest...horrible map for ghosty for 1 reason only . Its too big. I got people who had prove thyselfs and toolboxes so gens flew while i was in chase. It's fine ok i get it. But the goddamn flashlight clicking and tea bagging on the side...ok i started getting frustrated. I typed gg in the end game left ...went for the third game. I first saw kate on a gen and i figured ok she's oblivious to me i'll YOINK her off the gen and i did..insta rage quit..she dced on my arms. I was like oh greaat...im starting out great and i get these kind of survivors. Second i see Mikaela on a gen..i stalk her to 99 go next to her finish and down her...guess what she dced..
At this point i was like ok...2 matches ive gotten nothing but bad luck and fast gens, now when my luck finally turns i get survivors that have never heard the word NO in their lives i think. I'm done. I killed the remaining 2 people and closed the game. I had 0 fun.
I know 3 games isnt much i usually play more and usually its 15 games i win 2..
Theres 4 survivors thats 16 perks for them to abuse right. Given mostly they use the same 4 perks but thats on them they could use more as a team even on SoloQ you can still think oh which perks would benefict my team better.
Killer works alone we have 4 perks..and we have to use gen slowdown skills at least 2 of them to have any chance..how about killers get 2 perks slots more at least?
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16 perks, unless you count CoH, then it is something like 23...
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And we know how they love their CoH... keep seeing at least 1 almost every game. Usually 2 unless its a swf.
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That is NUTS to me that people are in what's essntially an abusive relationship but with a game. I think coz my most recent ex gf was emotionally abusive (lasted 3 years) I can't fathom letting a NOT human put me in that dynamic haha
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Well, you don't really want more than 2.
From our testing we had best results with 2 -> effect is always active and other survivors still get perks for free.
I think it's broken. It makes hit&run not viable and then they are surprised there is more tunneling, like what else to do.
That perk would be good even if that effect was only for owner, but it's for every survivor, just #########
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2 more perk slots?
If you can just put anything there... that would ruin the game.
On the other hand, having 2 more slots for special perk types can be acceptable. Like +1 for Hex only and +1 for Scourge Hooks.
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They're just bad at the game and won't admit it, they can't handle losing so have to make excuses for why they lose because it can't be anything they could've done, BHVR needs to give out a box of tissues and limited edition diapers for these people and even then they would cry about the tissue quality and say they gave survivors the better tissues and gave them sandpaper, I'm the closest I've been to leaving the game because this community is a cancer full of egotistical people who are softer than Charmin and have to have everything handed to them with little effort , I've got 10,000 hours in this game on steam Im close to hanging it up and it's more because of the people in the community than the game itself though I will admit even gameplay has been pretty boring lately for both sides
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Why should killers beg BHVR to intervene in high mmr? Why should we ask for something and humiliate ourselves in front of them? Let's just ditch the DBD. Let the survivors play against the bots.
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Someone had to say it.
You cant really have balance related conversations on this forum because every thread turns into a "killer good survivor bad" and if you say something about it you just get mobbed for being a "survivor main", "never playing killer" or "being low mmr".
It has turned into a pity party and fear mongering fest and people just join in on the hive mind instead of trying the game by themselves and seeing how it is actually like.
Yes, the killer role is stressful and can be hard, but to the point of all of this on the forums? No.
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Maybe VHS will scratch your itch.
And...yeah. If I recall, you have thousands upon thousands of hours already played. It's only somewhat natural that it'd be getting old.
The only games I've played for that long are Path of Exile, World of Warcraft and Starcraft 2, which are substantially more varied. And I'm sick to death of two of those.
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Survivor: cries constantly, after every match, sometimes even when they win. Makes up their own rules and cries when a killer plays to win.
Killer: would like the devs to stop shitting on them.
Survivor: stop crying! Quit if this game is too hard for you!
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