Suggestion for balancing (camping, tunnelling and totems)

Both the camping and tunneling suggestion are bad.

Killers often have valid reasons for being a near a hook and slowing down the speed because survivors force the killer to be the hook is going to get abused. A form of that was already tried and never made it to live.

So the first survivor a killer finds now is immortal and can just run at the killer because the killer can't kill them. That is 100% going to be abused. Also if other survivors are unable to rescue the guy on hook when he is in 2nd state, then too bad. Your teammates failed you and you died.

1.- Terrible idea, survivors will abuse the hell out of this, you might not like it, but theres valid reasons for killers to stick around

• It noticed another survivor in the proxmity, meening it will try to lure it close to get another person down
• Theres a generator thats been worked on and might suspect theres a survivor close, staying in the proximity to make sure if is or not around
• survivors are overly selfless, its not the fault of the killer that most groups will try to make a full 4 people escape, if the others comit to much to this why should the killer be forced out of a tactical position

Weater you like it or not, punishing killers for doing what they are meent to do AKA killing survivors its a terrible idea. Yes it sucks when some killers overcomit to a kill very early on the game, but i dont se people complaining about groups rushing generators in the first 2 minutes of the game from 5 to 3, should survivors be punished for overcomiting to generators and make it so each time a generator its done in less than 2 minutes all other generators repair speed its slowed to -90% until the killer gets 1 free hook? i dont tink people will like that.

2.- Absurdly ridiculous, again you are punishing the killer for doing what its meen to do, many times killers NEED to take out a person out of the game, be because they have rushed gens at a tremendous speed, because they might bring very anoying perks (aka boons wich have become the norm to tunnel mikaelas and any boon user) or simply because it makes the game less obnoxious and frustrating for the killer. Something survivors doesnt seem to get is that having to fumble 4 headless chicken isnt easy or even fun at times, theres plenty of games where survivors have a personal mission to make the killers life as miserable as posible (and you can se that even very nice streamers end tunneling people to take them out of the game). This also punishes people if by any reason theres more than two characters of the same kind around, what makes you tink people wont start doing this type of things to create a shield from being killed? heck, i have had games where i get two of the same survivors and even altought i feel bad when i have tunneled one (not sure if i have hooked one or the other) its not my fault theres two of the same survivor, and with the lack of names up until i hook that survivor i dont know who is who, this is again just a punish for playing the game, weather you like it or not, killers dont have any need to be nice to every single person, leting them unhook freely and change people after each hook, you might not like it, but killers arent meent to follow a "survivors rulebook" just beause they want to.

3.- This is honesty your only good idea, given how little value hexes have in games plenty of times, having a hard lock at the start of the game sounds like an actually good idea. Personally i would make it the hexes cant be deleted for about 1 minute per level of rarity, making it so at the very least you get 3 minutes worth of hexes at the start of the game, its not much but at least makes it so they get some value even if for a little bit.

Funny you say buff the killers when you, yourself, have multiple Discussions where the only thing you demand (because thats what you do, demand and "try" to pass anything you say as a fact) are buffs for mutiple survivor perks and mechanics without giving out a single thing for them. I also find funny how you try to stir and tilt people by calling killers "animals", something you have done plenty of times, and for the most part you always end ignored. Plenty of times you have avoided answering to me on the forum, most likely because you dont have decent arguments aside from "killer mains are animals, nerf this perk because i dont like it, buff this other perk with high numbers, aura reading, a free stun to the killer and blocking of abilities".

Now on to the topic.

How am i protecting "animal" camping and tunneling? by giving a decent argument of why this two ideas are simply and uterly one sided, obviously on the survivors side?, because funnily you always go "preaching" about balance on the game, and yet i have to se you give a decent argument to "any" topic you are on in wich you arent horribly survivor sided in the numbers and ideas you demand.

What i understand is that A) you are just a troll who just "tries" to derail topics in your weird, and i might add, very porly "balanced" ideas, B) a survivor main who only wants to have the easies games posible, with all the stacks on his favor (AKA your terrible ideas for "balance" as you call them),or C) someone who genuenily tinks its good at creating balance for the game (spoiler alert you arent, your concepts, ideas and overal tought process for balance its terrible), or a convination of the previously mentioned things.

Now, how about you back up your claims with actual arguments? im actually daring you to try and explain to me why this ideas are balanced and good, not that you will, as i mentioned before you just avoid the topics, but lets se you try.

Finally i wont dignify that very poorly atempt of an insult with one back, but you know, if im a clown i would say you are the whole circus.

Now, im waiting for your marvelous answer, that if you actually have a decent argument for it, but quite honestly im not holding my breath

What is wrong about an immortal survivor that still can do every thing a survivor can normally do plus being able to bodyblock the hell out of the killer cause he can't die? If you really think that's fair and OK then you are either a troll or so delusional there is no hope

Tell me one thing, why should i be forced to leave the hook i just did and imediatly look after someone else regardless if theres someone around, am i not allowed to patrol the area while another player might be around and try to save said person?. Im not talking about face camping, most killers agree that that its low even for most people, but weater you like it or not, and even the devs have said it, proxy camping its a legitimate strategy that they dont plan on punishing in any shape or form, you might not like it, but its not againts the way of the game.

I could say the same thing about you, if someone its on the hook and and nother survivor goes for the rescue with the killer still on the area and both are downed that tells me the rescuer its a week survivor with no tactical knowllege, you dont simply go for a save with the killer around, you eather try to lure him away or outplay him. You cant blame me for finding out an unsafe hoook and take advantage of that, or what, am i supouse to go away, let them heal and start chase after they are a safe distance?.

This is not about being competent or not, its about being eficient. In all honesty, in an RPG do you hit every enemy once or do you focus your atention on one?, the same could be said about survivors and generators. The most eficient way to play its to tackle generators as fast as posible, this meens if you have the chance to have 3 people in one to fix them instead of in 80 seconds in 30 seconds wouldnt you do that?, but heres the catch. You people claim killers tunneling are horrible and toxic, but why survivors doing the same isnt considered toxic?. I could argue the same way you do, that if a survivor manages to do a generator before two minutes in the game it should be considered "repair tunneling", and just like your idea to make it so if someone its on second hook it CANT be killed in any shape or form, then i demand that the moment a generator its done ALL other generators CANT be repaired until YOU the survivors give me a free hook, does that sound fair or does it sound like ramblings of a mad man?.

Well at least whe can agree that directly camping and tunneling arent toxic behaviours per se, at worst they are anoying tactics, at best they are a necesary evil, mostly because lets face it, the way the game its designed its a problem.

Survivors repair gens, perks tems and skills are added, this in return makes it so generators are repaired at very high speeds, this creates a problem for the killers wich in return are faced with a "need" to kill players as fast as posible, this gives in return angry players and lastly just creates a loop of angry people at each others. Tuneling and camping i belive its a bioproduct of the problem mentioned before. I tink the way to "improve" the fun of the game its more related to change the balance of repair/hunt to a point where survivors arent forced to be on press M1 generator and killers arent forced to be the most eficienty creatures on the world, this goes beyoned just nerf/buff things, its a thing that needs to be fixed at the core of the game.

I understand your point abut fun, but you need to remember that "fun" its not the same for every player, one type of killer might get the most of the "fun" out of chasing people while other might get it out of literally killing out players, the same can be said for survivors, some might love to be chased all around the place while others fin might come from just literally geting out of the trial. Whe cant put "fun" in a closed concept and expect everyone are happy with that.

The reason i dont agree with most ideas like yours (and im not talking about you specifically but the general concept) its because they become the embodiment of the "survivors rule book" meme (if you dont know it look for it, will help you understand what i meen), a game has to set certain rules, that much its true, but by trying to force a set where a side of the playerbase its "demanded" to do sertain things justbecause "fun" creates more problems than solves them, your idea of "punishing" killers from staying near hooks or denny a kill for X reason its not improving but just problematic, the same for my example, instead of giving players more open ways to have "fun" it just puts everything on a box and expects everyone to just accept it without a complain.

Look at it in this way: Killer chases survivor, finds it downs it and hooks it, killer its then demanded to move away from hook because X rule, its quite literally forced to go away and do something else. On the other hand survivor A does a gen, because of rule X all generators are locked and now survivor A its forced to present itself to the killer for its free hook. This again its just an example, but do you tink people really will have fun abiding to such rules? i dont tink they will.

The only changes the game needs its to incentivice players to do other things in an organic way, a good example are the new artist perks, Grim embrace, this perk rewards killers for hooking ALL the survivors once with a temporal lockdown of generators, instead of punishing them for hooking, it invites them to not tunnel and get a reward, the same should be done to survivors. A perk (just an example) that says, after repairing a generator go and get chased for 30+ seconds, if you arent downed or hooked on that time your teammates gain a +10% bonus speed for 10 seconds on repairing gens the moment they start a reparation. This would incentivice survivors to interact with the killer and get a reward (again just a practical example).