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Wanna play as killer? oh sorry, is P2P
Hello!. as the title says right now playing as a killer is pay to play. With the current situation of the game, if you do not own certain perks you will soon get bored of the game. The sad thing about this, is that many perks are obtained from paid killers. The imbalance of the game is terrible, Giant maps, totems of blessings,Giant maps disfavoring many killers, perks useless in the killer and the constant nerfs .. they are making the day of the killer unplayable. If the killer camp or focuses on survivor, you will only get toxicity at the end of the game.
I play survivor and killer both in rank 1, and I really feel the imbalance. Playing survivor alone is fun and sad since you don't know what quality of players you will have. but playing killer is stressful, Premades doing genrush ending the game with less than 15,000 of which 5,000 is for escaping
it is no longer fun to play as a killer, stressful and un comforting in addition to giving very few or almost no rewards. A coordinated group of discord survivors can finish the game before even getting 4 hooks in chases no longer than 15-20 seconds. Literally many paid perks are necessary to curb this imbalance a bit and still do not always work
Hitboxes are a pain in the butt, hit validation is the worst thing they could have implemented. I'm starting to miss days where it was fun to play both sides of the game and not just survivor.
Edit for those dbd guardians: NURSE-HUNTRESS are not part of this, they are strong even with any perk.. people dont just wanna stick with 2 killers.
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Dreams arent allowed here. Also clown is a meme killer, u can get kills even playing with the feets. But try to play against a well coordinated team, and u're going to be queing for another match in 10 mins.
also, lucky matchs dont count here.. u will get more times 1-2 kills than 4k.
this is like trying to patch a big hole with a bandage while the whole thing is going to explode..
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Yes.
Sure.
And my butt speaks Japanese.
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As long as Nurse is part of base game you really can’t call it Pay2Play. She doesn’t even need perks if you mastered her. Also Huntress is very strong as well.
as to it getting boring, unfun, stressful as killer, that’s another topic.
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we are not talking about meme killers here.. they dont wanna add another strong killer like nurse.. its a fact
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"high" MMR
Yep...
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I mean, if you want good build you have to buy several DLCs as a killer unlike survivors. So it kinda is P2P
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Nurse is not a meme killer!?!
also, if they added another strong killer like nurse (cough Blight cough Spirit cough Artist) people would complain about it being P2P/P2W because they won’t make a new character just free for everyone.
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You don’t need good perks for Huntress or Nurse to be very good with them.
and perks as well as all original killers are obtainable with shards either way.
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but i wanna try other killers bro. im not going just to stick with nurse o huntress cause they are strong.. we need a med-normal killer not a strong one, one wich can do a good work even without perks.. how many killers can do that right know? there is the problem..
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artis is not op, just leave the loop and she will be useless the whole match :l i find more problems against a spirit than a artist..
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Thats the point, aside from nurse-huntress (wich are free) , the rest "strong-perkless" killers are a dlc's ones.. So, it still beign p2p
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Wait until people master artist.
Most killers are still obtainable with shards. For licensed at least the perks are. You have 5 killers in base game with very different playstyles. On consoles even more.
there is so much stuff wrong with this game, game balance in favor of survs is one of them. This game being P2P is not true though.
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Executioner is also good
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dlc killer 😫
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Artist.
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as far as I know, there is no killer on the roster who can't be bought using iri shards who's above rank A-/B+.
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Actually, thinking more about it… you are talking about it being pay2play and not pay2win.
DbD was always meant to be a a game you have pay for. It’s just a time-limited offer for the base game to be free on Epic.
so yes DbD and therefore killer and survivor are indeed p2p
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its not about the killer, PERKS.. we all know killers are meh in dlc, they are better with "good" perks.. the strongs ones are blight nurse huntress in god hands and good hands.. the rest meeeeh..
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I mean, Hag has the best perks in the game.
also, there's always the shrine.
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She will get a nerf when people mastered her. So no worries survivors, bhvr got your back :P
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Spirit got a significant nerf and is still very strong. So it depends.
also Nurse and Blight are still here.
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Well.. enjoy then waiting for all the perks u need every week.. also, dont forget most of the good survi perks are nearly free (dead hard - bt - i-will etc etc) u can get a Good build without buy anything.
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I'm not saying it's efficient, I'm saying that technically you don't need to buy anything.
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tbh she is strong? yes , but only if u stick on a loop. a far from that shes just another doctor to spott survivors..
edit: wrong quote.
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Eh. There are plenty of good killer perks as well free/base game.
But… most of them deserve reworks/buffs. Like all Huntress and Wraith perks, the infamous Monstrous Shrine etc.
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Show us
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They are obtainable with shards if you are lucky with shrine...
You can get good with them, but perks will help you a lot. Mainly BBQ is kinda must have for this game and that is on licenced killer...
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Wait until people master to play against aritst...
Most of survivors so far didn't learn to repel asap, but when they do. It's annoying af, she just can't use more than 1 crow, unless she has addons for it.
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Ok so... you are kinda correct kinda very not correct.
You are not wrong that other than Decisive Strike, the entire Survivor meta is on free characters. 100% you are correct here.
However, the only meta perk on the Killer side that's from a Licensed character is BBQ... and in all honesty, you don't need BBQ and it is weaker now that Shadowstep exists.
On the other hand, NOED and now Jolt are just flat out free and are quite good. Tinkerer is on a free killer. Ruin, Pop, Undying, Corrupt and Infectious are all on Killers you can get with shards. No Shrine RNG required. The fact that those perks are very spread out does kind of suck but P2P is an overstatement. Some of the free perks Killers can just get need some work and need it badly but... like I said P2P is an overstatement.
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Shards and the shrine exists. I don't really see why you should get everything in games for free anyways? If you want it that bad grind or pay for it like the rest of us. If you don't wanna do that then don't complain
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Sure you do.
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dont come to cry kid, i already have every killer and survivor.. the fact here is the inbalance over builds-perks and how they are more survi-sided on lasts updates. thats why im posting this.. people who just wanna play as killer is forced to play as survivor cuz the "basic" build is a strong one and are on the free chars with the base game , u dont even need to spend any shard just to farm a loooot of shards to start with the killer build?.. on the other hand, if u wanna play as killer u should be sticking with nurse o huntress till u can buy some other killers ? kinda sad.. wraith nerfed, billy is hard for new players, traper is that a killer? oh the one who is rushed in almost 99% of the games. Bell nerfed too. so, there arent many options. And again, Tell me this is not a onesided updates with those Boons for healing, boons to null stalkers or BBQ or any aura perk, the new boon where everyone can get a free unbreakable+tenacity.
And coming back to the thread, someone mentioned boon countering bbq.. It works on some killer base skill .. so, whats next? a boon where u cant hit the survivor?
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dont come to cry kid
dont you think that’s a tad too ironic here? They didn’t even cry at all, it’s just you..
Wraith and Trapper are still very much playable. Hillbilly is hard for beginners, sure (so is Nurse) but with some practice he is still strong. It’s also worth mentioning that especially Wraith, Trapper and Hillbilly can teach you the basics of M1 killers (and almost every other killer can be played as an M1 killer and has to during matches often).
boons, especially Shadowstep and Exponential aren’t that busted. BBQ already had multiple counters to the point that the vast majority of killer players said it’s just worth it for the bp. CoH is too strong, sure. It should get looked at. But. Oh well. It’s actually on a DLC character. So it’s not even proving your point.
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I’ve mained clown since 2019 and I can’t do that. You’re talking out of your ass
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And do you have any proofs?
Fairy tales are good, even I can tell that I found five Dwights in one locker :)
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Most good perks comes from killers that you can get from playing the game... with iri shards.
Hag=ruin
Clown= pop
Plague=Corrupted invention
You dont need licensed killers to play this game which are yes with real money but that is because they are licensed. You dont actually have to buy more than the basegame to actually have everything you need in this game.
It's a grind sure but why should everything come for free?. Free to play games usually are the most expensive to play since they have the heaviest cash shops in them.
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Pretty much all the best perks for survivor are free accept broken ass boons and a few others, very easy to play survivor without any DLC
For killer though? 100% agree if you don't own DLC you either wait for perks to show up in the shrine of secrets or you might as well not que unless you are playing against low MMR.
Best killer perks:
Ruin - Hag DLC (Deadlock build is better/more reliable tbh, but still really strong)
Undying - Blight DLC
Pop - Clown DLC (Decent gen regression for backup plan)
Bambozzle - Clown DLC (Need for Myers/Leatherface/etc)
Save the Best for Last - Myers DLC
Deadlock - Cenobite DLC (Taking over the Meta)
Hex Plaything - Cenobite DLC (Really strong)
Corrupt Intervention - Plague DLC (Pretty much must have in the Meta)
No Way Out - Trickster DLC (Really strong in the Meta)
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That is the biggest troll bait I have ever seen. Nowhere near realistic. Just the other day I looped a clown from start to finish, 5 gens long on farm. He ended that match with 0k. I promiss you if you are consistently getting 4k, you are NOT at high MMR, BUT you will soon be there for real. And when you are... You will be crying with the rest of the killers :)
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Maybe you should play more survivor to see that there is nothing more unfun than this at the moment. Most killer players are utterly trash and just tunnel, camp and slug every game, which makes playing survivor the most unfun thing in the game. And the thing ist those killer still get rewarded by MMR for playing like this. Also playing killer became so much easier over the past years its kind of hilarious to say that killer is worse than playing survivor. Stressful? Yeah its a 1 vs 4. Its meant to be stressful as killer cause of its asymmetrical gameplay. I mostly played trapper as killer over the years i dont see any difference in outcomes on my side. My advice: get better at playing killer. there are so many good killers out there and non of them are complaining like this.
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Most characters in this game can be bought through grinding (farming shards), it does take quite a lot, but now I only spend money on licensed DLCs.
In regards to killer, the strongest ones are mostly original and able to bought with shards: Nurse (already free), Blight, Spirit, Huntress (already free), Artist, Plague, Oni, Hag, Twins, etc. In fact the only licensed characters that can be considered "strong" are Pyramid Head, Demogorgon, Bubba and Pinhead, and even then they are not even top 5. Most licensed characters like Pig, Ghostface and Myers are underwhelming and have bad to mediocre perks, so you can skip them entirely.
The only one I kind of consider "Pay to Play" is Bubba because of how much BBQ reduces the grind. But even then it does show up on the Shrine sometimes.
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Ikr
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How is that any toxic?
Slug is literally disadvantageous for killers
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As others have said, the strongest Killers are mostly original.
If you look at the Top 5, this includes Nurse, Spirit, Blight, Hag and probably Oni? I dont really know, Killer Number 5 is really hard there are quite a few options. But all of those are original Killers, Nurse is even free (and Hag as well on Console). So you dont have to pay a single buck for those, you can get them for free.
The licensed Killers are more in the middle of the pack, maybe with the exception of Pyramid Head (who is stronger) or Myers (who is weaker). But most licensed Killers are decent, but not as strong to make them mandatory to have.
The only Killer which is somewhat mandatory to buy with real money is Bubba, but this is only because of BBQ. And you can even play without BBQ, but the grind is painfully long already.
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You can obtain every unique killer with in game currency, and as for the licensees killers, they legally need to be Vaught with real money/auric cells. That’s how license contracting works. This game isn’t pay to play.
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One thing that annoys me is that boons are strong and that's fine, perks should be good. The survivor that brought boons into the game was a free character so anyone has access to them, yet one good perk that counters them, Hex Plaything, was from the cenobite which is a paid dlc. I cant think of any other perk that directly counters boons aside from that and people shouldn't have to spend money for a better chance against some perks.
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I belive that over consistent 4ks on perkless clown at high mmr.
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its fun cause most of those "positive" comments where they explain his vision of the game are from main survivors, someone says "even pro killers are not talking about this" are u sure? u should leave your bubble and check more top killer streams, they talk almost everyday about the balance on dbd, and if u see them properly u will only see 4k with the usual strong killers, using dlc perks. thats why im made the thread.. As survi i just need buy the boon thing and its all, cause almost every perk i need are from free-base chars. i can actually just play as survi without even buy anything else just with the basics.. while if u just wanna do the same as killer its not possible, i should be farming for weeks till i can buy a new killer, get the bps to invest on perks and more.. Right now Plaything also help the new killer, just look how -rash are the balance on perks.. 15% per hook, while they are allways 3 survi x gen, or even the spawn are -hit use letal from nemesis and u will see 1 survi x gen or sometimes 4 at 1 .. some matchs are -arbage people dont even care about getting points on chases , they just come to repair and leave the game.
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It’s funny that you assume who is surv main and who is not.
also streamers are kinda making money by telling the people what they want to hear.
the balance in this game IS off and for experienced players in favor of killer. But that does not mean it’s not playable as killer at all. Don’t exaggerate like that. Instead try to make reasonable feedback.
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Nurse and Huntress are free.
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