Lobby dodging and deranking on purpose.

I only jump if someone has less then a green connection

Broosmeister said:

Rebel_Raven said:

Lemme guess. You run in an swf group?

Swfs aren't fun to play against most times. Doesn't matter if you dodge or not, others can, and will.

Blame the survivors, too. The sweaty, the toxic, and people abusing chat. They want easy games, too.
Survivors depip, have mixed rank swf, and often use third party chat for an edge the game is not balanced around. 

Yes, i play with friends most of the time. I have multiple people lower than rank 10. We play the game respectfully, no one uses DS and we don't T bag killers. We don't exploit and will only be toxic to toxic killers who camp or have 100% tunnel vision.

Most of my games vs swf i win, and i win quickly. Most of the swf are having fun and are playing with me when they see that they have a little chance to win.

People who are scared of swf only share their worst experiences. Other people get scared too because of some whiny dude who got blindes with a flashlight once. And now PS4 is just a lobby dodging wasteland.

Honestly, i just keep running into mixed rank SWFs that have no business vsing me. Full colors above me.
99 out of 100 are the worst sorts of experiences. 
Mixed rank, toxic, utterly ruthless. Generally just being zero fun as opponents.

Like I said, blame the overwhelming amount of SWFs that ruined it for everyone.
If most SWF groups were like the way you describe yours, they might not get dodged as much.
I'm just not fond of gambling on SWFs, and a lot of people feel the same way.

It's easy for red ranks to talk a big game, but they aren't in the shoes of the low ranks usually getting stomped. 

@Rebel_Raven said:
Lemme guess. You run in an swf group?

Swfs aren't fun to play against most times. Doesn't matter if you dodge or not, others can, and will.

Blame the survivors, too. The sweaty, the toxic, and people abusing chat. They want easy games, too.
Survivors depip, have mixed rank swf, and often use third party chat for an edge the game is not balanced around. 

Yes blame the survivors like always while ignoring all the killers that play the exact same way or derank to 17 via dcing just to destroy newbs.

If you'd quit making excuses and exaggerating so much you'd see that swf aren't that difficult to play against most of the time. You can use their own altruism against them without camping, you know when they'll go for an unhook.

You'll have a good idea when they'll try to blind you, pallet slame you, blow a gen up to distract you, when they're going to work on certain gens etc.

Did it ever occur to you that people in voice are just there to talk to their friends while playing the game, tell jokes, talk about work, gf etc? YOu somehow magically face depip squads or toxic squads at an impossibly high rate.

In fact your rate of dealing with such squads is theoretically impossible to actually happen with such regularity. Your confirmation bias is making you believe what you repeat to yourself to such a degree that even if you were shown your account stats you wouldn't believe them.

MIT did a study on this that was quite comprehensive where someone's confirmation bias would carry negative feelings from one game over to everyone that follow even if the other games were fine.

powerbats said:

@Rebel_Raven said:
Lemme guess. You run in an swf group?

Swfs aren't fun to play against most times. Doesn't matter if you dodge or not, others can, and will.

Blame the survivors, too. The sweaty, the toxic, and people abusing chat. They want easy games, too.
Survivors depip, have mixed rank swf, and often use third party chat for an edge the game is not balanced around. 

Yes blame the survivors like always while ignoring all the killers that play the exact same way or derank to 17 via dcing just to destroy newbs.

If you'd quit making excuses and exaggerating so much you'd see that swf aren't that difficult to play against most of the time. You can use their own altruism against them without camping, you know when they'll go for an unhook.

You'll have a good idea when they'll try to blind you, pallet slame you, blow a gen up to distract you, when they're going to work on certain gens etc.

Did it ever occur to you that people in voice are just there to talk to their friends while playing the game, tell jokes, talk about work, gf etc? YOu somehow magically face depip squads or toxic squads at an impossibly high rate.

In fact your rate of dealing with such squads is theoretically impossible to actually happen with such regularity. Your confirmation bias is making you believe what you repeat to yourself to such a degree that even if you were shown your account stats you wouldn't believe them.

MIT did a study on this that was quite comprehensive where someone's confirmation bias would carry negative feelings from one game over to everyone that follow even if the other games were fine.

Never ignored killers depipping. 

If you'd stop ignoring the fact that they're abusing match making to go ahead and stomp me before I'm ready.
You seem to be mad that killers depip but have no problems with survivors playing against lower ranks than they should be.
Enough with the hypocrisy, ok?

Survivors get easier games but you're mad at me for wanting a reasonable difficulty?
I should git gud while they use swf, and eachother, abuse match making, and especially comms as some of the biggest crutches possible?
Just dripping with hypocrisy here.

Screw using altruism against them. I don't want to play that way, and it's about all there is aside from getting genrushed. 
I said they're no fun to play against.

Yeah, sure, but you're ignoring the ones that use voice chat to get an edge that's basically cheating.

Yeah, i do face squads like that because they're really common. They don't want to play, they want to win, and teabag me at the gate.
I know you don't want to believe that, but yeah, it's my experience in DBD.  Accepti it, or don't . Either way, move on.
I can't swing a dead Claudette without clubbing a dozen of them.
Parties on ps4 with voice are really easy to make. They probably make SWF really easy. Might even have a join game option like most multiplayer games.

Me repeating myself?? Coming from you? Lol

Screw the study. 
When you're making a deal, it doesn't matter if it's a good one, the person accepting it just has to feel that way.
SwFs are often a raw one.

This isn’t new lol on final fantasy 11. if I am tanking for u but cause of my internet connection couldn’t keep hate or do my job. damn right, I’d expect u to kick me and replace me. Why is this any different? Most people accept they are too laggy and try again later. Then others don’t care and that’s were we are at.

I wouldn't say "derank to get easier games" I would say "derank to get less toxic games". The higher the rank is the amount of toxic, teabaggers and tryhards SWFs grow exponentially.

I hate it when people equate excessive altruism with Survive with Friends. SWF doesn't have to be (and often aren't) altruistic. In fact, if they even have a bit of intellect and self-control, they would be able to assess the situation better than any solo, and make good determination of if/when to make a save, as well as how many people is getting off the generators to do that. After all, they have much more information than the game itself provides for them.

As a killer, counting on your opponent to be stupid and unable to control themselves doesn't make for a fun game even if you kill them all.

@Master said:

Even if I 4k a toxic SWF without them doing a single gen, I still dont enjoy the game. Survivors DC when they are tunneled and camped too, but for killers other rules hold, I know

Now how often do you actually get a 4 man toxic swf team and not your confirmation bias teams? Also killers dc all the time when you kill their ehx totem, when they can't get someone down because they're not very good etc.

But yes for killers there's always different rules don't do what I say not do do while I do the exact same thing like deranking to 15 for newbie stomping matches.

@JawsIsTheNextKiller said:
It's easy to say that nobody should lobby dodge because of (suspected) SWF, but new killers soon realise the correlation between 4 survivors dropping into the lobby at the same time and the likelyhood of a near-impossible game.

SWFs using comms to relay information is cheating. If a killer was hacking or lag switching, nobody would be telling the survivors to Git Gud.

Yes because 4 dropping in at once is always a guaranteed 4 man swf and now with the new changes you don't know that anymore and once dedicated servers come online you most definitely won't.

Also good grief just stop using that lame excuse, voice isn't cheating no matter how many times you repeat it. You can state that all your want and just like the others saying it it's your opinion only and it doesn't matter.

Just like with camping and tunneling the devs have said it's not cheating, dribbling nope not either and voice is the same.

Also you do no that actual cheating is no where near using voice and by even trying to equal the two you just prove you don't believe what you say but are using that to bolster your weak argument.

Hacking aka modifying actual game files and lag switching which is interrupting your internet connection are considered against the rules.

@Master said:

@knell said:
I hate it when people equate excessive altruism with Survive with Friends. SWF doesn't have to be (and often aren't) altruistic. In fact, if they even have a bit of intellect and self-control, they would be able to assess the situation better than any solo, and make good determination of if/when to make a save, as well as how many people is getting off the generators to do that. After all, they have much more information than the game itself provides for them.

As a killer, counting on your opponent to be stupid and unable to control themselves doesn't make for a fun game even if you kill them all.

Funny, but survivors always claim that noone actually plays like the depip squad (intellect+self control).
Fact is that if they genrush like crazy (intellect blabla), then its boring af as killer and it they are over-altruistic, then its a boring game imo too (even if ez 4k)

So they have to gen rush to get out, you claim it's boring because you can't get a long match and then claim it's boring the other way if too altruistic.

Does that mean you'd want longer matches then for instances they add secondary objectives but are you going to actually play those longer matches then? Will you simply go afk and derank like you claim for easier matches which is aka boring.

Some players enjoy the challenge of Rank 1, some play just to have fun, forcing your opinion on either of those types of players is pointless because neither of those players enjoy playing the other side, it's why they are arguing.

A casual nonranked mode means the game depends solely on skill, like normal, but without the illusion of Rank you can't complain about players being better than you because you just need to get better. Rank reinforces the thought of being the best and you might not be the best and don't feel comfortable with being forced into a match with better players. Having a non ranked mode takes away that concept and replaces it with a normal random game and if you lose then oh well, if it was too hard then maybe the next one won't, etc. There is no anxiety or pressure from knowing it will be difficult. This is the only way to fix this problem of de-ranking on purpose, it's not fair to anyone that some players feel the need to de-rank so they can get casual games.

As for SWF, if I see a 4 man SWF I dodge, the only acceptable SWF team is an overly Altruistic team that has no brain function when their buddy is on the hook. I'm ok with two groups of 2 SWF or a 2 SWF and two solo but a 3 SWF and a solo is borderline for me. It's not fair that as a Rank 10 Killer I get Rank 4s and it's also not fair that as a solo Survivor at Rank 4 I can get paired up with Rank 10 or 15 Killers. I'm a Rank 8 Killer right now but I'm not normally a competitive player, I play for fun and I have no shame in deranking so that I can get casual games instead of these try hard games where every match is a struggle for dominance, every second has to be calculated accurately in order to win.

well ps4 you can derank as much as you want by dcing, nothing can be done about it.

It's also extremely boring playing low ranks on ps4.

I JUST bought DBD on my ps4 and I completely destroy everyone and I hit rank 1 in a single day. It's ridiculous.

I also use a zim, which may have an impact cus ######### controllers for killer.

@Poweas said:

@Master said:

@knell said:
I hate it when people equate excessive altruism with Survive with Friends. SWF doesn't have to be (and often aren't) altruistic. In fact, if they even have a bit of intellect and self-control, they would be able to assess the situation better than any solo, and make good determination of if/when to make a save, as well as how many people is getting off the generators to do that. After all, they have much more information than the game itself provides for them.

As a killer, counting on your opponent to be stupid and unable to control themselves doesn't make for a fun game even if you kill them all.

Funny, but survivors always claim that noone actually plays like the depip squad (intellect+self control).
Fact is that if they genrush like crazy (intellect blabla), then its boring af as killer and it they are over-altruistic, then its a boring game imo too (even if ez 4k)

See I'd completely disagree with you, but now that I've actually experienced some ridiculously tryhard genrushers as killer I would like to note that I completely agree with you.

The issue isn't that they exist they do but that certain vocal killer mains insist it's a regular occurence with some claiming it was every game etc.