Do you still get upset about tunneling under the current conditions of Killer?

As a killer main I normally dont tunnel, but actually play by your survivors playbook and behave like I have Devour Hope, even if I dont run it. BUT I might change gear when I play my jolly game and then three gens finish back to back during the first unhook. Thats the sign that the kids glove are off and I go all in. Oddly enough slamming gens isnt something that survivors acknowledge, but they will 2/3 cases throw salt in the after game chat and call me the worst killer ever for camping and tunneling. Geeze, then dont bring BNP and slam gens like there is no tomorrow. What do you want, a game that lasted 3.5min?

I felt this too but when people realise after sometime playing killer they have to do it the gens and efficiency is to much to handle

It is annoying as player.

But i can totally understand it - if u get one out early it is a big benefit.

I love when this happens not only do I get all my hooks and sacrifice points but you played all that and go 0 BP. Smart move really taught me. Lol

I understand tunneling when it's done at 1-2 gens left. I'm more talking about 3-4 gens left and a killer that refuses to chase or attack anyone else until the first person they find is dead.

I'm definitely not arguing that CoH is busted, but I'm just answering the thread. Whenever a killer does something that I'd find understandable in my gameplay as killer, I'm cool with it. If someone does something I really wouldn't do, and it seems unnecessary for the situation and overly mean-spirited, then I might get pissed over it (though pissed enough to complain in chat, probably not.) I don't think that's a super inconsistent stance to take.

I get tunneling most of the time, but I get irritated when the killer's playbook seems to be to singlemindedly delete the first player they find and ignore every attempt to draw aggro. I get tunneling at 2 gens, I don't buy its necessity at 4 gens even when I recognize its utility.

I feel like you're better off not watching their stream, since that benefits them in real life.

jeez, nevermind.

I figured they were a pretty unknown c-list streamer based on your description of their level of play.

no, the community just feeds off of their toxicity. it's where it festers best, encouraged by their ring leader, who's also a nonce which makes matters 30x better.

Sometimes tired of it. But I just skip(not spectate) and wait another que.

Honestly I am fine if nobody's using a hack/cheat program.

I used to care to try to be fair and decent. You get a squad you can guarantee you'll do bad and be taunted for your effort. I understand the dark side now. 1st person caught must be taken out ASAP at all costs. Then the second.

The perks for second chances when someone is at high risk are consistently abused and healing is so fast a swarm can effectively keep you from being able to punish the person using them in a way they weren't intended.

I'll suck up the BT and eat the DS. I find you then you are all I care about until you are gone. I'm tired of the expectation that a killer has to consider how much fun others are having when they don't offer the same consideration despite clearly trying to spread the hooks among the group.

My opinion doesn't imply how others are supposed to play.

I'm not trying so hard to win if I play against better players. I may not be as competitive as the players who choose to play in a certain way.

And yes, I'm a survivor main and there are a lot of things I agree with Killer mains. But not when it comes to tunneling and camping.

Fun for both sides comes first for me.

I have never had an issue with tunneling because it's a legit tactic and sometimes it is the best move the killer can make. I'm not going to get mad at my opponent for not babying me and letting me win. Getting mad at tunneling is the sign of a survivor-only player. Killers who don't tunnel regardless of circumstances are just bad killers.

It upsets me that this community has been stockholm syndromed into believing camping & tunneling is a necessary evil.

Camping & tunneling doesn't need to exist. Regardless of its viability, it victimizes opponents and creates animosity within the community. BHVR has the power to render camping & tunneling obsolete, and provide killers with a better means to apply pressure and win the game.

Instead, here we are for the nth time, discussing the morality of camping & tunneling when we could be demanding BHVR find a better solution.

Fair point. I suppose I just disagree with the approach.

Deathslinger was given a half-baked nerfed because he was "unfun to play against," and the backlash was fully deserved.

They experimented with anti-camping mechanics years ago, but never compensated the killer's by providing them with any other means to apply pressure.

At this point, I don't trust BHVR to fix the problem correctly if all they are hearing is "its not fun."

They need to fundamentally change the win-condition for killer, so that camping wont kill a survivor and tunneling won't immediately advance their objective (i.e. 9+ hooks permanently blocks the gates & traps survivors in the trial. A survivor being hooked twice in a row does not progress the hook meter).

This mentality is exactly why the game is so fundamentally flawed.

You sound bitter that I'm even attempting to propose a better solution--like I personally attacked you for wanting the game to improve, when I didn't even claim to have given much thought to a solution.

This is how design works, bud

Its not my job to fix the game. I'm not going to waste my time coming up with a better system.

But if I cut through your snide remarks and blatant sarcasm, I can see that you've addressed a flaw with my off-handed proposal. That's a great start, that is how design works. If you were less of a [BAD WORD] about it, maybe I'd take you and your feedback seriously, then come back with a better proposal. As it stands, I can't be bothered to entertain someone who doesn't want a solution. And its no wonder BHVR feels the same.

Tunneling, Camping and Slugging is just a thing as doing gens or using dead hard. I dont get it how ppl cry about it, its just childish.

Because they see it as a personal insult. They feel the killer is doing it specifically to ruin their day and get under their skin. Rather than just, you know, trying to win the game as is the point of playing. Meanwhile tbagging at the gates does absolutely nothing to help you win, since you have already won, and it's considered "not a bad thing" and "you need to get over it."

Why do I somehow get the feeling your talking about cm winter?

Ik that but I can't think of a single streamer besides cm that primarily plays pig? Most people play pig for 2-3 games and then switch he's the only streamer ik of that plays her consistently

Behavior can take something out of the game just as easily as they put it in. That is my point here.

People want to make the case that tunneling & camping are inevitables when they most certainly are not.

As far as anyone knows, BHVR could have already gone down the rabbit hole and explored versions of DBD where tunneling and camping are not viable strategies. Its entirely possible they drew conclusions that they don't know how to make it work while preserving DBD's identity. Or perhaps they've just received pushback from investors or lead designers to take that risk and make such radical changes to a game that is doing well enough.

Regardless, I don't think we (the community) should be complacent about tunneling & camping in its current state.

This couldn't be further from the truth.

They have tried to do anti-camping before, IIRC. I believe it wound up being weaponised against Killers by having them get looped around hooks. And then we have the current farcical state of some powers, which aren't allowed to be used near a hook but you can still shoot them at the unhookee, which is far more useful.

And the problem with the discussion on camping and tunnelling isn't one of complacency or inevitability, it's that far too many people automatically come at it from the position of "I don't like this because it's not fun for me, therefore it's bad, therefore the other person is playing the game wrong and they should be forcefully stopped from doing this!"

Apart from being tiresome, this sort of starting point is: A) excessively confrontational, and B) focuses on punishing people rather than making the other approaches more appealing.

Nah I don't get mad about being tunneled or camped I find it's more entertaining actually than sitting on a gen and holding M1.

At least with Tunneling I'm being chased which is more fun and camping I just humor it and pretend I'm having a chat with the killer.