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That's basically what I see every day here. Killers saying that it's harder and harder to have fun with this game since survivors getting buffs left and right while killers just lie in the dirt hoping to get one good think every few months.
At the same time I see people here asking the question "Why are the queue times so long?" also every day.
It pisses me off that the devs still are on the survivors side. They don't say it officially but we all notice it since years.
Just a little tip. Yeah there are more survivors then killers. That doesn't mean killers are not important for this game!
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I was having fun with Wraith and thought my long dedication to that ######### killer finally payed off with that buff then he got nerfed quickly afterwards as if the Boon punishing hit and run style wasn't enough.
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Yeah, same... He was so fun to play, but that lunge nerf is just annoying.
RIP Deathslinger too.
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I disagree with the statement the devs are survivor sided. All I notice is when killer is buffed, you'll get a few thank you threads, then nothing else. Whereas as soon as a killer is slightly nerfed, everyone goes mad for months.
I remember when the hatch and keys were nerfed, the thing every killer complained about, there was hardly any word about it. All people wanted to talk about was how the killed Deathslinger and Spirit.
Do I agree with all their changes? No. The newer maps have all been stupidly big and survivor sided. CoH needs a nerf also. I also don't understand why they nerfed Wraith either. However I feel like people complain too much about killers/add-ons that they rarely used before their nerf.
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Explain slightly nerfed, because slingher got destroyed, pinhead was already average and got nerfed, wraith after few little buffs was better then got nerfed and back to average, twins.....nerfs an bugs, pig got nerfed for some reasons,trickster had to receive tons of buffs and after 3/4 months of it's release, it was considerable "playable", Billy? Destroyed, but hey, look how BH cares of killers because it made the trapper and very other few killers not miserable and plague actually good! See! Balanced!
Killer roster is already small( blight/nurse/plague) even the slightest nerf on a killer has a huge impact on killers.
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I have seen some people make "appreciate" posts, but it's not something you would spam about on forum...
With every patch you have overall review where they say what is good and what is bad.
You are going to see a lot of Deathslinger posts, because well, those changes were bad, it's that simple. Of course people will talk about things that they want to change more.
I don't think they are survivor sided, they are just bad at balancing...
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For actually good killers I would say: Nurse, Huntress, Spirit, Plague, Oni, Pyramid Head, Blight
Then you have killers that used to be good: Twins and Hag
Twins got nerfed for some reason and also they are really bad against CoH. Hag is just really bad against CoH and there is nothing she can do about it...
I don't think Wraith needed that lunge nerf, he was actually fun to play with it and he is just average again, it's not like he was ever strong, he has easy counter-play.
Twins are just completely #########, which I think is sad. I really liked Twins...
and who the ######### did Deathslinger changes...
I think Victor should be able to snuff boons, that would help.
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Queues are the exact same they were last year. I think people don't realize that the time they're playing at matters a lot.
The times I have more available to me right now make killer queues particularly long. Have survivors just given up? Are people all flocking to killer? No, it's probably because most people play survivor and they all play at certain hours after work/school. This hasn't changed for at least a year and a half, with only variations being during events or the MMR implementation which mellowed out after a couple of weeks.
As of writing my survivor queues are exactly 5 seconds, and this'll last for 9 hours until killer queues become 5 seconds. Then about the same amount of time until very early in the morning where I honestly have little experience in but I know it shifts again around there.
Also survivors don't constant get buffs while killers are in the dirt. That's just wilfully neglecting the buffs killer gets and the balance changes done that help. And at this point I'm thinking it's done on purpose for questionable intentions. The last mid-chapter patch, while it did introduce the mess that is CoH, also gave a very fair balancing of killers. Except Deathslinger. That was awful. But everyone admits this, even the fabled 'survivor-mains'.
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There is a surv meta since years... so maybe
- Surv meta perks are way to strong
- Other perks are nearly useless
Most time i play surv solo q or with my gf. Im red rank surv and dont use any meta / clutch perks.
Survs are busy crying or copy streamers. Its not even funny anymore if u use lightborn and every match some flashlight surv dc.
At this point i think there should be ranked (solo/without items/perks/addons) and quickplay
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Can confirm this is my experience too. Between about 3pm and 2am killer queues are instant, however from 3am to 2pm survivor queues are. The only variation of this is around the last 2 weeks of December and first week of January, where everyone is off of school/college and usually have a week or two off of work as well.
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Because Moris were murdered out of NOWHERE, completely making them useless in every way except maybe ignoring Decisive Strike. We were told the other shortcut - keys/hatch - would be nerfed as well to make things fair.
Well, they didn't. They sat on that for months and months and months, under the false narrative that "the key nerf that is coming is far more complicated". It wasn't. All they did was slide the spawn to after the last Survivor is left. And somehow that took the better part of a year.
So when it came, we weren't all like "YAAAAY!" we were more like the person that has stood in the rain for three hours waiting for a tow truck, growling "About bleeping time." when it finally arrived.
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Nurse yes, but it's extremely, Extremely hard to use, can feel punishing even after successfully landing a hit, very few people play her.
Plague/oni/huntress/pyramid head are indeed good killers, but against the meta, they suffer and can't compete with the actual meta killers(blight/nurse).
Spirit was meta, but now she's no longer, a good team with metz perks can now easily predict where she will appear.
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All those ‚US vs THEM‘ threads (as this one is exactly just another of) kinda forget that MANY people are playing both sides…
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Killer bias confirmed.
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they will prefer survs because 4 men will bring more money than 1 killer
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The biggest thing that bothers me is the sheer number of completely useless Killer perks and playstyles.
You don't have to be a fricken savant to look at them and realize "This needs to be changed or reworked, because in it's current iteration not only is it unfun, it's not even viable."
You know how many wraith's I've seen since COH? 1.
Twins since COH? 0
DeathSlingers since nerf? 2
Freddys? 1
It leads me to one of two conclusions; Either the Devs simply do not have access to pick and usage rate data, which I would find shocking, OR, they do not have the creativity to even try to tackle these problems.
Either reality is sickening.
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I think it is not that important as constantly new killers are released.
You can tell a bit that with PInheads or Artists perks they are trying to go in a bit different direction.
That is also an incentive to buy the new killers.
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Billy wasn't destroyed. The overheating thing is dumb, and isn't even an issue. So I don't get why it's even there.
They killed his add-ons. That's the problem. He was never all that great to begin with without add-ons.
That's what hurt him. Other than movement control all his other add-ons are so situational its silly they are even there.
He's still fun, but just not strong anymore. It feels like going in with no addon Billy now.
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You know that Survivor Meta perks only exist because they are counters to uncounterable tactics Killers use. Think about that for a sec, the only way to counter certain Killer tactics requires Survivors to equip a perk.
- Facecamping - Borrowed Time
- Tunneling-off-Hook - Decisive Strike
- Slugging - Unbreakable
If the developers actually gave survivors non-perk tools to counter those tactics, then survivors would start using different perks.
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No, they wouldn't.
Survivors frequently use bt and ds to cover sloppy and poor plays. Why be stealthy towards a hook when the rescued survivor will just use the bt to bodyblock for you. Be as loud and obnoxious as you want if it backfires call the killer toxic and start another thread on the forums.
You have no idea how often camping or tunneling really just means someone is angry the killer didn't ignore the seven loud noise notifications and the glowing red scratch mark heading straight for the hook. Or that the killer didn't ignore the 2-3 survivors cuddle puddled under the hook healing. Or whatever dumb thing that was actually done.
Same goes for whatever argument about killers that usually gets tossed out. Swf is an excuse for losing, people use the perks they use because they are strong and they like them, not because they have to.
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You have it backwards, those tactics exist despite the perk counters survivors have at their disposal. This tells you how little killers have in their arsenal. As it's been said to death: By the time 1 survivor is hooked the remaining 3 can complete more than 50% of their objective.
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I'm sorry but survivors using perks = bad
Killers using cheap tactics? Good.
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Did... did you really just call those things cheats?
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Was a typo. I meant cheap*
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This. Most people play both sides. Maybe we play one side more than the other, but still.
I don't understand the reason some people feel there is a war between both sides.
But it reminds me the MMO I played before. Players like to say that the developpers favored one class when it got a buff, or one role, or one side (PVE vs. PVP)...
Spoilers: all developpers of all games don't work to earn money but to favor one side.
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Moris were unannounced just out of nowhere they were nerfed, meanwhile survivors had 1 full year to use their keys since they were warned, same thing happened with insta heals we killers had to deal with survivors just overusing those things.
Both were ridiculous yes but it is like me taking money out of your wallet out of nowhere then after a year passes I'll llet you know that I will take money again, you can prepare and use your cash before I take it from you.
Now, slight nerfs? Slinger was basically shot and left bleeding on the side of the road, he was fun to play and now you rarely see him, billy got the roar that basically says "here I come!!! Dodge!!!" I can deal with the overheat but the roar just no, the twins nerf wasn't what they needed, instead of victor having a cooldown of 5 seconds what he needed was a punishment for being kicked, ghostface with addons is weaker than old ghostface with recovery addons, but at least you can use him basekit without many issues, plague is very solid right now but I don't like using her, that is a different story, I'm ok with the spirit nerf but most of these nerfs just make playing those killers unfun without actually changing the reason why they were hated/disliked/complained.
The devs are just extremely bad with balancing and knowing why certain killers are liked, changing stuff for health sure but removing the fun factor isn't what they needed.
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Survivors have no way to combat Face-Camping except with Borrowed Time. Survivors have to way to combat Tunneling-off-Hook except with Decisive Strike. There's some tools Survivors have against Slugging, but Borrowed Time helps against that tactic.
Sure those perks can be used other ways, but if you got rid of them, then there's literally no counter for Face-Camping and Tunneling-off-Hook.
However, I guarantee if the Developers gave survivors tools to deal with Tunneling-off-hook and Face-Camping, you would see a lot less DS and BT.
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Bubba and Hillbilly's positions are changed. Undying gamble is gone. Victor's attack cooldown is now 5sec. Wraith got buffs and lunge got retrieved. No more Pyramid Head's coin flip. Huntress got acceptable nerfs on Iri head and exhaustion addons. No more Spirit's stand still mindgame. Freddy's addons are utter garbages. Clown got buff and he's still bad. Pinhead's box related addons are nerfed. Deathslinger lost the reason people play him.
Toolbox got ultimate nerf. God windows are gone. DS got a fair change. OoO is worse. Nobody use keys anymore. Long pallet loops became shorter and no longer old Ormond.
There are so many people that don't realize killers are much harder to adapt even if both survivors and killers get nerfs. Because they don't play or consider from opposite.
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And I'm saying the only way that will happen is if the solutions is to literally stop the killer from physically coming within 50 meters of a hook and any survivor running their ass raw to it.
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Lets be sure we see the big picture, that survivors have been continuously nerfed for 5 years non-stop. Survivors are so badly nerfed only SWF can possibly win.
Lets ignore the fact also that Blight exists with a broken killer meta that squashes about everything that spawns on the map.
If killers are not having fun, it is definitely on them.
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Yep.
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Nerfs....nerfs you say..care to elaborate my man?
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The "Holiday event with nothing special for killers but a literal gameplay advantage for survivors" was honestly what made me decide I'm not really going to play anymore. One of the biggest middle fingers from a dev team I have ever seen.
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Oh I promise you, you will see atleast one slinger related thread every few weeks from because I'm still upset how they gutted my boy and I refuse to believe he will remain in the gutter for years like Billy and Freddy
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Yeah, he used to be my main, so I am not happy about it at all..
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i think its ######### up that they nerf killers for being "boring" to play against, even if they aren't particularly strong. deathslinger was destroyed and nerfed to the ground, gained nothing for compensation and now he's a bad killer without the chase potential he once haved
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He still is my main but it's hard sometimes because he's nowhere near as enjoyable to play as or against these days at least before the quick scopes were fun and even as a survivor it was thrilling knowing he could pop up and shot you at any moment
Now I feel like I'm playing as and against a old man
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Thats simply not true. It was announced months before that they would change moris. I just used a mori after that every game i played as killer until they were nerfed. This "it came out of nowwhere" is just a stupid little lie to show a difference between killer and survivor that doesnt exist.
Also, since they had announced they would change keys, i also used a key in nearly all my survivor games until they were all gone.
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