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Anyone Else Having Weird MMR Matches?
Recently, I've been getting a bunch of brand new Survivors in my games. This occurs both as Killer and as Survivor, but definitely way more on Survivor.
My friends and I have been noticing it. Our teammates are getting way worse. Even today, all of my Xbox teammates have been sub 100 hours.
Now, I know I'm a garbage Survivor, but I'd like to think I'm better than a Meg and Dwight duo who have a combined 2 hours on the game.
Also, our Killers have been 1000+ hours.
Anyone have something similar?
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Yup.
Today's games were bonkers. It feels like queue times at very high and low MMRs were getting too long and so BHVR tweaked something to increase the speed at which the search widens.
Game 1 on Doctor: 1 very solid chap, 3 decent players. Won, but only because one of them rage DC'd midway through.
Game 2 on Doctor: I get absolutely skunked by a 3man SWF and a 1900 hour monster. Way, way more skilled than me - and I've been working hard recently to improve. End up getting 2 hooks.
Game 3 on Hag: 3 very good players, 1 pretty new player. I get a narrow 3k.
Game 4 on Hag: 1 okay player but definitely weaker than me, 3 almost complete newbies. I stomp, give the last chap the gates. Feel bad.
Game 5 on Hag: 4 console players, all very solid. 1k, but extremely close.
Game 6 on Cenobite: 4 extremely new players with almost no idea of what to do. The Leon was PC player had 30 hours, and was the better of the 4. I stomp.
Game 7 on Cenobite: All console players, all crazily good and I get completely rolled on Yamaoka. Get a 1k, but only because the rest left the Meg behind.
Game 8 on Demo: Very even game on Fields. 3k, but could have been a 1k easily.
Game 9 on Demo: I get crushed by a 3man SWF on RPD. Nightmare game. Again, opponents are so coordinated and know the map so well that it was hard to even get any hooks.
Game 10 on Demo: 2 very new players, 2 decent players. I have 2 people dead at 3 gens and everyone else on their last hooks at 4, with me already easing up. Give the remaining two the gate and call it a night in frustration.
So basically, 3 games were pretty even. The remainder was either a situation where I was matched against several very new players or a group far more experienced than me. No idea what's happening.
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How often do you die?
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I think they just put DBD for free on Epic Games recently so... they're probably being matched with you because they fit into a certain MMR bracket with the killer. Something like an average basically. So your MMR might be higher than the killer, but with lower MMR teammates it averages out to the killers MMR
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Not often enough, apparently.
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Yeah, I'm streaming right now and just got a match where my playtime outnumbered the 3 other Survivors playtime by over 7 times.
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Just had another match where my teammates had just under 5 days COMBINED.
Fantastic.
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Well if you're playing at this hour then yeah... not surprised at all 😄
Probably more newer people trying the game than there are veterans
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It's been going on all day....and for the past week or so.
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I noticed this happens a lot when the queue time is long so the game just gives you every MMR there is so you don't have to wait any longer.
At night where Survivor queue time is suffering the game just flat out gives baby killers and at day time there's some competent killers.
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I dunno.
Most of my Survivor queues have been around 5 minutes.
But yeah, the "skill-based matchmaking" is really just "who-waited-the-longest matchmaking"
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it's been balls
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5 minutes is kind of long.
I'm getting around 1-3 minutes on my end at peak hours on my region. At night the queue is 5 minutes+ though. Either way I don't think MMR will balance anything there's not enough good players to go around for everyone at any given time lol
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Yes. A lot.
I’ve had actual newbies more than ‘normal’ players at this point. It’s been making solo que even worse than ever.
Combined with the long-ass queue time, I’ve actually stopped playing survivor altogether. Not even for archive challenges. And even then, I’m getting matched with new and veteran players alike.
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As killer I tend to get put against newer survivors, despite quite oftenly 3/4k'ing.
As survivor (I play solo 90% of the time lately) I tend to get total newbies on my team with barely any perks, meanwhile the killer is full on sweat meta. I'd say my survivor MMR should be high as well, but after suffering through these matches, I wouldn't be surprised my MMR has dropped to the gutter. Yesterday I played for about 5 hours and probably only managed to escape twice, cause the killer knows to ignore me and go for the weaker links, then I'll just drop eventually.
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Me. Just the other day I had a Dwight with 10 hours.
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The community has asked for killers nerfs/survivors buffs for years, devs have listened to them, high skilled killers have massively left.
All killers i face are barely average now, escaping like 80% of my trials.
Survivors queue times have increased a lot at high MMR, BHVR is trying to find some solutions to it but cannot find something good.
That's what DbD became, a massive joke with devs unable to fix it.
Sad when i see some other independent small companies putting a ton of awesome work on their games : GTFO (game became awesome with rundown 6), Propnight (10 patches with many improvement on many aspects in 2 weeks), A Long Dark (well awesome game now), Don't Starve Together (many changes and rework every 2 or 3 months), Hell let loose (same but with performances issues unfortunately)...
How do those devs are able to do it and not BHVR that has 10 times more means ? It's time for this community to become more demanding.
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Someone: My team mates are not of the same skill as me
You: Killer good survivor bad.
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Not really, queue times as a high MMR survivor are insanely long as there are no killer playing anymore. Players are bored so BHVR tweaked the matchmaking to match players with diffrent skill level together, resulting in facing average killers and being matched with bad survivors (for the MMR numbers of both sides to match) = my team mates are not of the same skill as me + killer is bad aswell.
You can explain the MM changes by the lack of good killers.
Exemple :
You are a 2000 MMR survivor soloQ.
MM cannot find a 2000 MMR killer. MM has then found a 1300 MMR killer, then it is looking for survivors to achieve an average of 1300 MMR for the survivors team. You end up with survivors that have those skill numbers : 700, 900, 1600.
Trial is totally unbalanced and it explains why this discussion exists.
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How do you know who is "high MMR" and who isnt? You dont.
I'd like to think I'm not exactly low MMR, since I'm at 5k+ hours and I'm devotion 23, and my survivor q times have always been instant during the day, and killer instant at night. That has not changed at all.
I'm not getting bad killers, in fact I'm mostly going against nurses and blights with 1k+ hours. This in crossplay off on pc, where everyone is way more sweaty.
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I know if i'm facing a killer that knows how to lay or not and most of the time they are terrible. Once in a while i will face a killer main streamer and still the trial is totally not balanced...
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I think MMR straight up is turned off.
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Not really, queue times as a high MMR survivor are insanely long as there are no killer playing anymore. Players are bored so BHVR tweaked the matchmaking to match players with diffrent skill level together, resulting in facing average killers and being matched with bad survivors (for the MMR numbers of both sides to match) = my team mates are not of the same skill as me + killer is bad aswell.
You can explain the MM changes by the lack of good killers.
Exemple :
You are a 2000 MMR survivor soloQ.
MM cannot find a 2000 MMR killer. MM has then found a 1300 MMR killer, then it is looking for survivors to achieve an average of 1300 MMR for the survivors team. You end up with survivors that have those skill numbers : 700, 900, 1600.
Trial is totally unbalanced and it explains why this discussion exists.
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Yes. It's becoming common with me and my duo friend. I also spoke with another couple friends who also duo with each other, and they have been experiencing the same thing. I've yet to see anyone who actually likes that matchmaking condition. I'd like to see them throw it away. It's not a solution to queue times/population imbalance. I know it may not be the case with many players, but I value match quality 10x more than queue time. I'd rather wait 15 minutes than be matched with 2 players at half my MMR.
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The more of an outlier your rating is the greater the chance you’ll time out to be in a first available match. And based on your posts above I’m assuming you are an extreme outlier so you probably get a lot of mismatches because of it.
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The more of an outlier your rating is the greater the chance you’ll time out to be in a first available match. And based on your posts above I’m assuming you are an extreme outlier so you probably get a lot of mismatches because of it.
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So many threads about MMR 😂
Honestly, this experience that lots of people are having where their team mates are the opposite end of the skill spectrum to themselves is not happening to me. That said, I don't remember the last time I played survivor during peak hours. I play killer at those times. I also just play a lot less at those times in general.
My personal experience of the game currently (I'm Xbox ~700 hours, ~65% survivor):
- Survivor off peak - Typical killer and typical team mate are both decent. Mostly strong perk builds. I escape about half the time.
- Survivor peak - I can't remember the last time I played. N/A.
- Pig off peak - Typical survivors are decent. Mostly strong perk builds. I average around 2k.
- Pig peak - 4k every game. Every game. Something like 1 in my last 20 games (it might be 0) after ~9pm have not been a 4k, not even a hatch (I do slug to prevent hatch).
This experience of having thousands of hours under your belt and being teamed with babies makes sense to me, if playing during peak survivor queuing times. I believe the MMR gets at least partially turned off during these times. So if you're someone playing during those times, and you've stated that this has been your experience, I believe you. That seems very logical to me.
If you play during off peak hours and are still struggling with MMR, then I kind of just don't believe you. It certainly doesn't line up with my experiences, at least. I'm finding that most games contain mostly other players around my level.
P.S. Jean, what are you talking about? You either play in a very strong SWF every game or you're the best DbD player on the planet.
JeanCharpentier - "...escaping like 80% of my trials."
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Raise hand - yes here.
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I disagree.
If that were the case, I'd be getting weird Killers too.
And I am, but not that often. More often than not they have over 1K hours.
If this were an issue with Killers leaving, you'd expect to see low-MMR Killer and high-MMR Survivors.
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It's pretty weird for me as Survivor and Killer. I don't play Killer a lot, but I have been playing Killer the past week and my matches are pretty mixed. I'm not a very serious Killer - I try to hook everyone at least twice and let them all escape. Well, I play with a lot of new Survivors and I also play with sweaty SWFs who I'm clearly not good enough to play against. Rarely play Killer and I'm not good so I don't see why I'd get Survivors with skills that surpass mine so much. Soooo one match I'll get owned so I go into the next to maybe try to play harder and I get new people who don't stand a chance. The same happens when I play Survivor - I'm not the best but I've been learning a lot and doing pretty good for months now. I get a brand new Killer and they don't stand a chance. Makes me feel bad as a Killer and a Survivor.
I'm someone that likes routines and balance and I've not been experiencing it in the game at all lately.
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it's mainly because they got carried. the game counts escaping as a win. technically they could have just hid and sat on gens or let their teammates do the work and in return they escape and move up on mmr. or you and your friend moved down on mmr by getting camped or tunneled
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I had a dude with 80 hours and his friend that was with him with 9k hours lol
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Even today, with my two friends who have 3K and 5K hours respectively, we are getting brand new teammates.
It's extremely frustrating to see a Claudette sitting in a corner too scared to move.
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I can't tell 90% of the time anymore anyways, most everyone has private profiles now.
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Matchmaking has felt like the rainbow rank matchmaking for awhile for me. Can't prove it is/isn't working because it's all hidden. I've noticed getting mishmash of teammates that have like 2 trophies and teammates with nearly all. Doesn't matter if die/escape, it's always this weird combo. It's more like they match you with whoever is available than those with equal skill but I guess that's what happens when only kills/escapes matter and nothing else.
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The killer i face also have 1000h+ but they are bad...
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i've been having reverse dbd games.
when i play killer the survivors are boosted and when i play survivor my teammates are either trio-bully-SWFs or god tier lauries who can flashlight save through cracks in walls.
its a nice change of pace i guess, i've, dare i say, been having a bit more fun
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My survivor teams feel the same (4 man out or all dead). 1 or 2 decent survivors and one trying to lose the game for us. Have not had any DC last few days though so thats nice
killer - I have been very laid back last few days. What I mean is not trying 100% to win but just to play with my food. I was playing peek-a--boo with a Meg on the big boat in swamp (BTW have played on swamp 4 games in a row.....like #########?) and two gens were done before we stopped playing. I 4k'd that match with 1 gen remaining....like how? Well I did have my Huntress.
Artist - Curb stomp with 3 gens remaining. had 2 cleanse their Plaything totems (idiots) so I 12 hooked their asses.
This has been how my games have been the last week or two. rare sight when a team can get 1-2 out.
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I genuinely think something broke.
It's still on, but there's a memory leak, or someone spilled coffee on a MMR terminal somewhere, and now it just doesn't know which way is up.
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for some reason all of my oni games are filled with new players and my slinger games are sweatfests. didn't it take a year for the devs to make this system lmao
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Two years actually
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Still happening tonight, fast queue's but god awful teammates with decent-good Killers.
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