SBMM doesn't work. Killer stats from 50 matches to prove.

Shhhhhhh killer is impossible due to MMR. And if you aren't losing, your hidden number can't possibly be as high as the gamers around here and reddit.

Sarcasm aside, the matches really aren't that much more difficult on the whole. My worst game in the last two weeks is a 2k on Clown on Ormond and I play almost every night.

I think there aren't that many players at the top end on either side, so the odds of getting a true high MMR vs high MMR match are very slim. There's always one or two very weak survivors, or the killer is well below the skill level of the 4 stack because there aren't that many high MMR killers. SBMM puts a much higher emphasis on match quantity over match quality

Depending on how much you play, kind of. Every killer has a separate MMR value tied to them meaning that for some killers your MMR will be higher or lower then others. Your Spirit could have close to 1900 while your Trapper might be 1500, we don't know. As such, every killer needs to be treated separately for their W/L averages and your data which shows only 1-2 matches for the majority isn't very good for showing anything, other then you played multiple killers and won a lot.

It'd be like if I took a match or two where I 2k'd and tried saying MMR works great just because of that. 50 matches with the same killer is a lot more valuable as far as data is concerned.

Which kind of brings up a more baffling question: what purpose is it serving for BHVR to hide MMR? We're pretty much all assuming it doesn't work or sucks anyway at this point. We can't give effective feedback on something we can't really prove exists. If they at least showed us our MMR, we could tell them "hey, these matchmaking conditions don't really work when this range is used" etc. But they have it set up so we can't tell if it's even on half the time and everyone is pissed off anyway.

I'm pretty sure they've said or its been mentioned at least that when you play a new killer you get a sort of average of all your killers MMR instead of at the beginner level. I know the devs had said they don't want experienced players to go up against new players even if they're playing a killer they've never played before. I think they mentioned that it can take a bit for ones MMR on a killer to settle as it throws you back and forth to try and see what level your at. I might be misremembering though.

On my end, I can say separate MMR works. As Huntress I played around 30-40 games and I either farmed or lost on purpose in all of them as I was working on the skilled Huntress trophy and was not going to do that against good players. By the end, I was getting some of the worst players I've ever seen. After getting the trophy I switched back to Oni who I play the most and got ######### on. I remember it specifically because it was such a shift from just messing around and losing on purpose.

This was back in the beginning of November or so. I have also since played Huntress a couple days ago for a daily and they were still pretty dang bad while the match I just had as Legion today was rough as hell.

It's all anecdotal of course but in my experience separate MMR works well enough. It could be better when you start a new killer, I give you that. My first couple matches as Artist I got destroyed before it settled to normal groups.

Edit: Here's a screenshot of what I was trying to say in my first paragraph. I'll see if I can find more where they've talked about it.

Edit 2: Another screenshot talking about the same thing. I wanted to find one where they talked about it bouncing you back and forth when you start but was unable. That one I might just be misremembering.

I very much wish you luck on your quest then.

No I didn't and I don't know what your point is. I'm not trying to argue whether MMR works great or doesn't. I said OP's data wasn't worth anything because there is separate MMR for each killer. Pulsar then said it amounts to nothing if separate MMR does exist which in my experience isn't true as far as playing multiple killers over time go. Experienced people playing new killers works differently and that should be tweaked.

So again, my main point is that while OP's data is fun to look at, it doesn't mean anything when trying to argue that MMR does or doesn't work as they only played a couple games with most killers. If they had done 50 games with a single killer and had similar results then that would be much better in trying to prove their point.

I agree with you main point I just don't agree with your side point that separate mmr works is my point

Which is completely fair and probably warrants its own topic tbh.

And to you as well. 😀

Because it used your higher end killers to give you that since you don't ever play her. It's like you just started her which is what the screenshots mentioned will happen. I bet if you lost like 10-20 games you'd have matches against potatos while your other killers would stay the same. That's what happened to me when I purposely lost a ton as Huntress and now I get nothing but crappy people. I want to point out again, that I don't think it should work that way but it's exactly how the Mods have said it worked.

I think the biggest issue is that we don't know our MMR and how far it pulls from but also, that's as survivor. I'm talking killer.

You and your pals could have had 1900 while the new people are at 1200 and the killer is only like 1550 even with more hours then you guys. It should not work that way and the fact it seems to is worth it's own topic. Still, it's exactly how the mods have described MMR so in that regard MMR does work as they say. It's just not a good system.

Once again, I'm not arguing MMR is good/bad. My main point is saying OP's data is meaningless to show why MMR is good/bad.

You're missing the point.

Let me try to explain this differently with a hypothetical. Lets say I played a whopping 20 games each of every killer. Lets go to the extreme and say I 4k'd every match with half the roster and the other half I didn't kill anyone with no in between. This in turn would average out to a 2k for my overall.

Would it be okay for me to then say MMR works great because my overall average is a 2k? Again, hypothetically.