killers, ru tired yet?
i swear every time i come on here it's just a bitter killer main fest in discussions repeating the SAME things... y'all will do anything but hold yourselves accountable for mistakes made in games then blame every breathing survivor that they are the reason for the downfall of the game. please
record ur next match and i guarantee you will make MANY game changing mistakes. 3 gens flying at the start while your ruin is still up? maybe you should stop chasing the nea and go pressure survivors off gens instead of letting your ego get to you because she flashlight clicked you at the start to get you in a chase. you brought ruin for a reason😭
camping a survivor at 1 gen because they ran you the entire game? with BT, body blocking, and DS, that only will get you so far unless you have starstruck or a killer that can snowball immediately.
all good survivors know that a skilled killer with an OUNCE of common sense can easily turn a game around as survivors constantly make mistakes. if playing this game makes you so upset you have to blame all survivors for making the game worse then get off the game and do something else with your time
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It's not about winning, it's about having less to worry about in a given game so that they're not incredibly stressful every single time. This is partially SBMM's fault.
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I mean all this does is just trigger the Killers you mention rather than actually trying to hold a discussion or be constructive.
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when was the last time there was a constructive conversation held in this forum please lmao
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Well certainly not this thread for sure.
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if you can't handle the stress then don't play killer. dbd isnt mean to be some easy sweep every game. if you want something relaxing maybe try minecraft💞
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"I don't remember a constructive conversation being held so I'm just going to go off and rant at people rather than try" is a waste of everyone's time.
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when did i rant 😭just simply said that killers all too often hold survivors accountable for their flop games when a lot of what went wrong was caused because of them... i said multiple things in my original post that are obv up for conversation yet you respond to everything but that
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regarding snowmen? it was just a cute thing added to the game that hindered chases by seconds at MOST. the hitbox of survivors jumping into snowmen was quite long and survivors could still be downed if they waited too long to get into it. the only way i can see this being a huge obstacle is if the surv has a syptic agent/syringe with someone around to body block. if then with all of this, it is EXTREMELY rare to have this all happen and wouldnt happen most games.
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There are a lot of valid complaints that people have. But I also think that you're right in the sense that this place has become an echo chamber.
Creating an us vs them thread doesn't help though and won't change anyone's mind. People will just write you off as being biased.
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The argument “Learn to deal with it” is a bad one at best.
Don't like COH? Well maybe commit to chases but actually don’t because gens will fly but if you do they heal and your back to square one but the gens are still flying.
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COH is the only valid killer complaint i have seen. it is undoubtedly unfair to killers when dealing with 3-4 SWFs with COH but makes solo queue games manageable to get through. bhvr should at the very least add particles or some sort of visual that indicates if you're within a COH radius (small or large), as it will help people with hearing disabilities.
constantly breaking boons will just make survivors spend less time on gens and memorizing totem spawns is not difficult at all. as a 100% survivor main i see no issue with tunneling if youre dealing with a team that spams coh
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I screw up all the time. That’s why I don’t rant on here. Also, the limitations imposed by the game can be frustrating but what can you do? lol
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Never change DBD community, its always about "dem killer mains or dem survivor mains" constant us vs them post messy discussion about balance that get rightfully ignored by the devs anyway. I say this with no hint of irony, the DBD community is worse than the league of legends community. There's a reason BHVR sees its players like bunch of dumb kids and post like these are perfect example. How the hell did this community create OTP flame war culture?
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Yeah, I'm tired of playing Killer. It's stopped being fun, even when I win and I still manage to win most of my games.
I think the real question is the purpose of this thread. It seems to me that it's baiting people and trying to capitalize off of people's frustration in order to spark controversy.
Very distasteful indeed.
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maybe if you spent the time u spent on thinking that i made this post to bait whiny killers on reading the constructive conversations with other ppl i've had under this, u would recognize that it wasnt bait! <3
if i want to see killer tears i'd just scroll through this forum for 2 minutes and see plenty. take ur 9,000 posts somewhere else💖
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Hey OP, let's see your killer gameplay, it seems like all of us could learn a thing or two
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Of course people make mistakes, no body is perfect, but I think you are wrong that people complain simply because they do not want to own up to their own faults. I think the shear one-sidedness of the grievances is proof positive that there is something wrong with the balancing. In the current meta it is simply sometimes overbearingly stressful to play as a killer.
The problem lies in the fact that it is incredibly difficult to balance this game correctly. The skill ceiling in this game is rather high, which means balancing the game at all levels of play is incredibly difficult. What works to keep equilibrium in the highest MMR may not necessarily work to preserve balance in the lower to mid ranges of mmr. What ends up happening in the middle mmr range (which statistically most of us are in) is that 4swf squads absolutely dominate the killers. In order to play around people using comms a killer has to master just about every facet of the game to stay on equal footing with the survivors. While you point out that yes a player could review game play, it shouldn't be necessary for someone to practice a game simply to have a better chance to enjoy it. The game should be fun and exciting to play at every level for every side. My opinion is that the mid mmr tiers are something of a limbo, as the player is not yet good enough to be in the truly competitive sphere but also not so bad that the game is a goofy party novelty. The result is stale and repetitive game play that is inherently more stressful for the side with less players.
Look I obviously have a bias towards killers, as I think its more fun to be proactive and hunt rather than stealthy, but I think there are many flaws in the game that i'd like to see addressed. When the game is good it is good and there is a reason I am on the forums speaking my peace rather than simply moving to a new game. There is a kernel of greatness in the game and if BHVr plays their cards right a few simple tweaks will help them entice the new Epic games audience and create an infusion of new players to the base.
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god forbid a survivor main voices their opinion on this forum and isnt the regular whiny killer main post😫🤯maybe try getting better at the game if what i said bothered you so much💕
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Another us vs them post, very nice
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Don't worry about them, they'll switch to Survivor or find something else to play.
I just changed my mindset, I assume every match is a full SWF and play accordingly. Which means proxy camping and tunnelling, whatever it takes to secure kills and get the 4K every game.
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i totally agree with your post and actually thank u for not being so hostile unlike a lot of the killer mains on here.
like i said many times before, the game has increasingly been survivor sided with the addition of boons (specifically COH). while i don't like boon perks' design, COH is undoubtedly unfair to go against as a killer with a strong swf of 3-4 ppl.
i'm at near top mmr for survivor as i basically only play it (solo and w/ my swfs), and i still lose games frequently, which inclined me to make this post. i have went against all kinds of killers from literally newer players to 6000+ hour competitive players and have seen them all get 2-3ks just from capitalizing off from survivor mistakes. the sheer number of posts on here repeating how they are sick of toxic survivors for using perks, and wanting to get rid of DH and other exhaustion perks gets tiring to see when they can be countered. i do think that balancing should be based on swfs, but it also would be unfair to solo queue survivors.
i only brought up reviewing gameplay in that it is beneficial for killers to look at their previous plays to alter their play style. i always record clips of chases and watch them back afterwards and review what i did/did not do wrong and it has helped tons. sadly killers are going to have to adapt to this flop mmr system somehow
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hasnt bhvr literally released stats on how many players play solo vs swf and most people play it casually and solo... which is why balancing at top level gameplay would just ruin the game for most of the player base😭if anything you should be flattered ur good enough to be playing against 4 man swfs
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If playing killer is so easy, then how come I see so many killers quitting, killer quitting threads and posts, and survivor queues getting incredibly long? I have yet to see a single "Im quitting survivor" post, and you CANNOT tell me that survivors are not little whinny brats, who complain about everything.
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thats the thing, killers cant make mistakes and still have a reasonable shot at winning. survivors get to make mistake after mistake and have perks that correct said mistakes. so why do killers have to play perfectly but survivors dont?
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i've never said killer is easy period and i'm fully aware of how whiny survivors are (e.g BHVRs twitter account where noob survivors cry ab camping). i never see top level survivors whining about gameplay because they are competent, only the ones that flop and can't escape for their life
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You ignored the second part of my post.
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except i didn't where you literally talked ab how survivors are whiny which i literally agreed with...😭go off claire main
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To quote you directly:
"if you can't handle the stress then don't play killer. dbd isnt mean to be some easy sweep every game. if you want something relaxing maybe try minecraft💞"
"when was the last time there was a constructive conversation held in this forum"
"glad to see greasy basement bubbas are making their voices heard here on the forums!"
Lots of constructive conversations there.
You openly attack anyone who dares to disagree with you. You call anyone who has a different opinion a Killer main.
Respectfully, grow up.
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Your still ignoring it. Talk about how so many killers quit and so few survivors are quitting. And how survivor queues are so long even though it should be the other way around seeing that there needs to be four survivors for every one killer.
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ya and i LITERALLY talked ab how the game has been becoming more survivor favored with the addition of COH, prob the only thing i sympathize with killers on besides toxic flop players. my survivor queues are never long when i play solo and there are millions of survivors with different wait times so assuming that everyone's wait times are increasing is foolish
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That's what's wrong with this game, what you've just said. Nobody is bothering to improve the game. They're just moving to other games.
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You don't play Killer. Anyone who plays Killer and goes against sweaty teams knows this is a crock.
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This community will never tire of complaining.
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They don't, they said earlier in the thread they are 100% a survivor main
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Yeah, having done both, I find it hard to believe you want to have a constructive talk with anyone when this is how you engage with people.
It doesn't really come across as good faith, or anything other than mocking from atop a high horse, really. Like, this constant characterizing of killers as whiny immediately makes it clear you're not here to help people, you're here to crap on them. Addendum, all the "just get better" comments. There is far too much hostility here for this to be a helpful discussion.
You're not wrong that this forum contains a lot of whining, but you are wrong that it needed another thinly veiled powder keg. Nothing you say in the original post is incorrect, but it doesn't really address the reason people get upset about this issue, either. Yes, everyone makes mistakes in their gameplay. People screw up constantly and this is true on both sides. Because it's true on both sides, it shouldn't be the case that survivor players have more ability to recover from their mistakes than the killer does, and yet this is something I have noticed time and time again as I switch between roles - a good chunk of the team needs to screw up one after the other in order to swing the balance of the game, but the killer just needs to commit to one bad chase, lose someone, or check the wrong part of the map and they just cannot recover in that game. One survivor messing up doesn't matter that much in most situations. The killer, however, can't keep up with the cascade effects of one mistake until the survivors make several or one serious enough mistake in return. This makes playing killer stressful in a way that survivor isn't; there is nobody else to bail out your mistakes or pick up your slack, and when you're playing at levels where your opponents run things skillfully, you are under immense pressure to perform absolutely perfectly at every instant of the game because you cannot bank on those mistakes happening. At all times you are juggling everything four players are doing and whether or not it is/isn't feasible/necessary/too costly to stop them, and that can feel absolutely insurmountable against a coordinated team with strong resources.
Like, say I'm chasing the first survivor I found. It's taking too long and at this rate, I know I'm not going to catch them before 3 gens pop - they're too good and they have too much to work with, as it's the start of the game and all pallets are still standing. Except I don't actually know where anyone else is. If I abandon chase and check the nearest potential gen, I might find someone else. Is that player as good as this one? I don't know any of these survivors yet and I haven't gauged their skill levels or playstyles. I don't know if this guy will predrop or if they'll greed, if they'll loop tightly, if they'll take me away from this gen so someone else takes over, or if they'll take me all over the map and help me interrupt other survivors. Will they try to commit to the gen and give me a free hit, allowing me to start this very late chase on a good leg, or are they going to run early and take me to a structure? If they're as good as player #1 and they run early, I'll be in a worse position than I am now chasing the first guy, because I've already made some headway and gotten a pallet or two, a health state, maybe even their exhaustion perk. A strong survivor in a fresh area could eat up another minute and a half to down and I cannot afford that. Or worse, what if there's nobody at the gen that I check? What if there is somebody at the gen, but they're hiding and I don't find them within ~10 seconds? I don't have the time to search just like I didn't have the time to complete the chase. I can only reach one more gen before the point where gens pop. Next gen, rinse and repeat the questionnaire on how the total mystery survivor will perform and act. And if I guess wrong again at the gens, now I've lost the one person I was in the process of chasing, they're already healing up, and I lose all three gens anyway.
So do I keep chasing the survivor? If I do, it's not because she clicked her flashlight and my dumb killer ego couldn't let that go. It's because I'm gambling that since everyone else in the lobby had flashy cosmetics too, they are confident in themselves, they're calling me out if they're a SWF and I can't assume I can catch anyone off guard, and I'm putting all my chips in this because only a survivor making a mistake will stop the 3-gen-pop at this point and I can't bank on that. This way I can guarantee a down in the visible future and clear out some strong tiles that will become issues later, since all the gens being done have not been near this chase and I may be able to squeeze a 3-gen out of this.
So it goes.
Realizing you're making the wrong play doesn't immediately light the path to the correct course of action. Sometimes your only options are to double down or flip a coin and hope it lands heads. There's none of that downtime where you're sitting on a gen watching your teammate get chased in the distance. You're always in the pilot seat and so often it's not even a "there is no way I can recover from this", you can't even pinpoint what you even could have done to salvage things, because there was just too much working in the other team's favor from the start. And I've gotten that as survivor, too, but it was always spread across four people. Very rarely was there a situation I could solely call my fault, or that I was the only person who could have changed things that match. So as far as advice goes, "lol do better" is about as helpful as "just don't get caught lmao." It's self-evident and people are already trying to do that.
I don't have an issue with survivors. I have an issue with the game balance. I have an issue with people who defend particularly egregious bits of bad balance. And I also have an issue with BMers, because I have no patience for people who try to rile up others for their own amusement and self-aggrandizement. And that might include this thread? Or it might not. I'm not quite sure why you made this, but I don't really get the best vibes off your posts here.
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Just accept you can't 4k every game anymore, easy 4ks are gone. If you did that your dbd life would be much easier, like mine is
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Killers are, supposedly, quitting because they were used to easy 4ks most matches. Now that they are competing with people who sweat as much as they do, they are crying. Abysmal!
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I remember a streamer who played Spirit, just Spirit, and only with her best add-ons. They cycled through a dozen of more lobbies for one reason or another, looking for that perfect four. DC'd every time there was a map offering, no matter the map.
Said they had a headset so good & a sound card so awesome they "knew what the survivors had for last Thanksgiving." Had their gameplay so bright it looked like every map was like the updated Coldwinds on fire.
Would proceed to slug all four and hook no one, despite the number of gens left. Next would just stand over the last down for four minutes. Hated Unbreakable and Soul Guard openly, and would instantly DC if there was more than one Unbreakable used, saying "I'm not dealing with that #########!"
Would go after the survs in End Game Chat for their builds, or joyfully engage in the salt for their own playstyle of slugging. The night before the last changes to Spirit they said they're no longer playing due to them, and held true to that to this day.
If they had last a bit longer I believe they would have enjoyed coupling No Way Out with their NOED as well.
Most of this is valid gameplay absolutely (the video & sound card shenanigans isn't easy for a consoler to accept). But I view this behavior as unhealthy for that person and for the overall community in general. We lost precious little when they stopped playing i believe.
Please be kinder, and sometimes also play both sides, just a little.
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i only play survivor bc my swfs drop anyone that play killer so
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You literally are doing what you say you don't like.
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i've had constructive discussion w ppl who actually comment something they want to discuss, not people who are just calling me out for baiting or making this just to see killer mains complain. i can see how i may be seen as being hostile to ppl
i completely agree w what you said ab how killers have no one but themselves in matches, whereas survivors have 3 other people to carry their weight if they flop. but survivors can only do so much to carry their teammates, ESPECIALLY in solo queue where all aspects of the game are an absolute disaster.
i can see how high level 3-4 man swfs are unfair, but i've played MANY games where killers easily caught our few mistakes and completely turned the game around. because of this, i also mentioned how killers should review their gameplay especially if theyre high MMR, because after a while survivors can become only so unpredictable.
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The amount of emojis and hypocrisy in this post is hurting my brain
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My win rate has stayed functionally the same.
I am not having fun.
Saying it's about 4K's is a strawman argument at best.
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your experience is irrelevant to the game balance, there is a very high chance that the people your were versing before the mmr were NOT having fun either.
And since your win rate is similar, you are probably sweating quite a lot so it is better that you have less fun than you stomping people who were just trying to cool off. Go and play with the competitive sweat squad so that the average player can have fun matches, or do as I did don't care about kills, play the same and have fun regardless of the result
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"Either suffer or actually throw matches"
It's a design flaw. Why should players be punished for that?
I don't think anyone is having fun atm. I'm still getting a ton of people I shouldn't be getting.
Also, we love the "You're good, so ######### you, you don't get a fun experience."
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Mate, if you are at streamer level, or superior, as a killer you used to stomp 4 other people regularly, and you probably are at that kind of performance level since you are still 4king regularly.
Why are 4 survivors (4 people) supposed to be stomped by a superior opponent so they (1 person) can have fun? No matter how you slice it, it doesn't make sense.
I (average player) never had fun when I versed people like True or Otz because it was like comparing an amateur boxer with prime Mike Tyson.
You seem to be at that level, since only the top tier of players have kept their performance comparable to before with MMR so what do you expect? Stomp 4 people and make their day miserable or play with people who, like you, also try to win at all costs?
Top tier players are the vast minority, it makes sense for the average players (the majority) to have chill matches.
This is exactly what is happening to me and my friends, if we play survivors we have relatively ok games with an escape rate of 40-50% (this has improved after my inital period with a 5% for the first 3 weeks of mmr) and if I play killer (Legion btw) I only aim to get as many BP as I can and 4 bbq stacks, if I 4 k fine, if I 0 k and get my BBq fine too and I am averaging 2.23 kills per game on a sample of 50 legion games.
I don't want to play against top tier player like you, sorry!
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