How many points should the killer lose for slugging till survivors bleedout

None.

Nothing I have said has suggested any punishment, you're the only one who suggested any kind of punishment(to survivors who could easily be stopped from doing what they're doing mind you) vs someone who proposed a punishment for something that cannot be stopped, that the player has no control over.

Loss of bloodpoints isn't a true deterrent. Players who do things to be malicious get more satisfaction out of griefing than they do (or want) bloodpoints. See players who rage-DC right before they die or survivors make it out the gate - you already witness this happen all the time.

None, just like when they let the entity do their job and kill them through the timer.

Almost every punishment based request tends to be spiteful and not based at all on making the game better.

Many people won't be happy unless players are personally visited by the devs and beaten up for breaking the survivor or killer rule books.

none because there are situation where it can happen when the killer didnt intend to.

• Spies won't detect crawling slugged people
• There's a well known glitch where sometimes downed survivors make no noise
• It doesn't happen often but I have had survivors intentionally crawl into remote corners while I chased someone else and had trouble finding them because their blood trail had dissipated or was in dark terrain and they were in a shadow and their body was nearly impossible to see. Yeah, it's partly my fault if I can't find the survivor in that case, but it's definitely not me being toxic or rude or whatever.
• For reference the killer already loses 700 or more bloodpoints when someone bleeds out on the ground. (They don't get the 500 points for hooking them and also don't get the 200 points for the hook sacrifice)

It's not a toxic attack on anyone as a person, but it does prevent them from playing the game for 4 minutes. The funny part about this is you tell them to just play the game, when they literally can't.

I would like to see this issue get addressed somehow without making the waiting on DS strat useless but not sure how this can be implemented.

I'd rather be camped or tunneled for a game over tbagged/bullied or BM'd any day. In fact, I quit Killer because of BMing yet somehow haven't quit survivor because why should I care about something that the killer is doing TO WIN THE GAME? I have never had an issue being camped. Whatever, I go on to my next game, no harm. If I want a PVE game, I'll play it. You may as well say the killer shouldn't kill anyone because he's denying them their ability to play the game, and only the survivors should win because that way everyone got to play a full match.

Honestly those suggestions, for the most part, was my sarcasm, because quite often you'll see people listing similar suggestions on the other end of things. That said, listening and watching for blood trails(they're quite obvious) is a pretty obvious tell there's a survivor around if you hear or see any of those things. I don't think I've ever lost a survivor to the point of them bleeding out on the ground. There was one survivor I let bleed out on the ground and it was because they interrupted my Feral Frenzy intentionally to screw me over after I hooked them, trying to force a DS pick up and their team was on comms coordinating stuff. I never suggested a punishment of BP loss, but I feel like if the killer is in the vicinity of a survivor in the dying state for more than 30 seconds something should happen to deter that behavior. Maybe something funny but also a deterrant like firecrackers going off all around them. Survivors have crows that are basically aura reading if they're still for too long. I don't see a problem with a similar approach to killers.

The game's objective for the killer is 12 hooks. If the killer is camping or tunneling their goal is one. Also this is much different from NORMAL gameplay where survivors can actually play the game. Only one person is having fun in this scenario. Rather selfish don't you think? Also I don't see how being being tbagged or flashlight clicked at is even remotely close to stuck on the hook for 2 minutes. Sure, it's annoying but at best they're only letting you close the distance and wasting time. Camping is pretty much the same as if you were in a shooter, all players spawned at the same spot they did every time, and your opponent was standing at your spawn point shooting you in the head over and over until the game ended. It's griefing plain and simple. People don't go into a match expecting to be unable to do anything for the majority of it, and there will always be at least one hook per game, meaning the potential for that is always there. Slugging is just a worse version of it because it takes 4 minutes instead of 2. In situations where they can be brought back up, it's not so bad, but generally when slugging occurs it's at the stage where they're dying either way.

I dunno Hawkins is pretty hard to see in because of that Upside Down area. Though yeah anywhere else you should generally be able to see them. Blood trails are extremely bright nowadays and also happen to appear all over the place.

Zero. There's a timer. If you're slugged for the whole timer, do like I do: start reading a new chapter in your book/watch a stream.

There will be at least 1 hook per game, unless you're bad as killer. This means there will always be someone who gets put in this situation, or has the potential to be put in this situation. If a game lasts 20 minutes, and one person gets etched out 5 minutes into the game, with 2 of those minutes being on the hook unable to do anything, I wouldn't call that playing the game. They played like 1/7th of the game at that point.

I have played both sides, btw. Funnily enough I play Legion, one of the weaker killers mostly, or did on PS4. I've been leveling out my survivors because survivor games are more fun in general when you get a decent game. Also I didn't invent anything, there's literally a progress bar in the bottom left corner that fills up the more hooks you get. The GOAL is 12 hooks. That's not necessarily the standard win condition, but it is still the GOAL by both the game's mechanics and the lore(the entity wants survivors to have hope before dying). Trying to get certain perks and then I'll eventually move on to leveling my killers. When I have a need to play Killer for any challenges or trials, I play perkless Wraith, only had 3 0ks so far since playing on PC(every other was a 3-4k, 3k if I give hatch, this is including me purposefully not tunneling or camping, and sometimes giving them extra time if we're still at 3+ gens and everyone's death hook. I have had games where I ran into the same survivor who just got unhooked by pure luck, and I will hook them then, but I have not actively done any of the scummier things that are used to make the game easier to win, and funnily enough, unlike all the "I get called every name in the book no matter what I do" posts, I've only been called disgusting once, and that was in one of the 0k games and the rest of the team said I was fine, there was another time where someone said the game was brutal because I won so handily, but that was early on in my MMR journey and even then I was playing vs 4 max tier perk survivors with toolboxes), while playing killer quite often, and even then I had over 5 hooks each game. It's not that bad.

Imagine this scenario.

Last 2 survivors, one on hook. You see the last one rushing in to unhook. The unhooked survivor starts bodyblocking you with bt, so you wait out the timer and down them. You suspect them to have DS and go chase the other one.

After downing the other survivor who just ran to all the safest loops remaining the first one crawled in some obscure place and you can't find them anymore.

Does the killer deserve to be punished then?

I would rather prefer a way to speed up the Bleedout-Timer. It rarely happens, but when I am left slugged to bleed out, it is because the Killer is salty. And when there is 0 intent to hook someone just to annoy the other side, Killers will also not care for any punishment.

And the punishment does also not matter for the Survivor on the ground, they still have to wait 4 minutes until they can go into the next game.

Don't get caught 2 minutes into the game. Don't ask everyone to baby a survivor because they go down 10 seconds after found. If you're good as a survivor, you can escape the killer and thus not get hooked and camped. If you're getting camped 2 minutes into the game, you not only got found extremely quickly but probably didn't even loop the killer for 30 seconds. "I shouldn't be able to have a game where I die so quick!" well when they're good enough to loop the killer, they won't.

And that seems to be the crux of your issue. People getting camped early on after getting downed quick and thus not being able to play. Well 1. They're probably not that great if that happened 2. If they die, they'll lower to an MMR where they probably won't face killers who can down them 30 seconds in to ensure they don't get to play at all. You can play the "killer bad if he camps" but if a survivor is genuinely going down so fast in a match that they DIDN'T GET TO PLAY AT ALL, then I think that might be a them issue.

Basically the entire battle royal genre works on the idea of elimination, too, and somebody has to be the first. You cannot design a PVP game where everyone magically gets an allotted time. Or at least not one that looks anything like this game does.