What is going on with camping

Your first mistake is waiting 20 minutes for a match. While, yes, my queue times have gotten longer, they're usually no longer than 5-6 minutes. If waiting over ten minutes becomes a consistent thing as a survivor, I'd end up leaving the game. Too much stupid crap to deal with in order to wait that long. Not just annoying killers, but crap teammates are just as bad if not worse.

Ya lots of camping. And sweaty killers. At least at my MMR. I think some of it comes down to killers feeling they have to play that way/ Killers that just want to win and don't care if the game is fun for anyone else.

I find camping painfully boring too, even when I'm "supposed" to (like EGC), I won't just face camp. I certainly will proxy camp but I'd rather still go after people than to just sit there and stare at someone.

A survivor(s) have to REALLY piss me off for me to decide to just face camp them and make 100% sure that they die.

Players will always take the path of least resistance. Is it necessary to camp in most instances? No. But the alternative is actually learning to play tiles and learning to effectively manage a game. That takes quite a bit more time and effort.

The vast majority of killers who hard camp me while the gens are up spent that chase running most tiles inefficiently/incorrectly while also allowing the map to be split. It shouldn't be viable, but solo survivors tend to stop what they're doing as soon as someone is on a hook.

It's not a necessary tactic even in the current meta unless you have a great gen set up and have the hook inside of it. Killers are just hurting themselves in the long run by not learning basics, especially if the devs nerf camping.

If you're going against face campers a lot, focus on escaping no matter what to push your MMR up. Typically at high MMR there's killers playing harder including stuff like proxy camping and 2-hooking, but not as much face camping unless it's at the very end. Until the game becomes much less survivor sided, I'm afraid a nerf to camping will just destroy the game.

Thank you, sometimes it takes someone seeing it from a different set of words for it to actually click. When you say camping and tunneling are a problem, I have to agree with you. As in, it shouldn't be the only viable trick left in our dwindling book of tricks to use. Again, though, it isn't a killer problem...or killer's fault as many survivors would like to point the finger at. It is a fault of the game design at this point in time. Survivors, instead of getting mad at killers SHOULD be voicing the concern to the devs, in SUPPORT of the killers. And I agree with your carrot/stick statement 100%! Stop asking the killers to be punished for doing things and give them good reasons to play other ways, then when the devs see that the killers aren't winning by playing the incentivized ways, they will realize that it the killers need retooling.

Case in point, devs have the opposite mindset right now. The survivors at high rank were complaining about facing the SAME 3 (or so) killers over and over and over. That was the case because they were the ONLY killers that were viable...the only ones that could keep up...the devs looked at this and heard that we need to lower the rate at which survivors are likely to encounter them...by NERFING them...instead of raising the other killers UP they squashed the only remaining viabilities down...and then in desperation, some people get REALLY good with killers who were considered DOG $HIT before...deathslinger, blight...yes, at one point these guys on MANY peoples tier lists were mid to low at best...then someone figured out some REALLY useful tricks, shared those methods and the killer was not only viable but could actually give these high tier survivors a (small) run for their money...and since survivors tend to accept nothing less than power stomping people into the ground, they mistake an actual challenge for being "unbalanced".

And lets not forget the other elephant in the room. The SWFs...how can you allow an advantage into a game that it was never balanced for? Outside communication was NOT intended and it CLEARLY isn't balanced for it...but the devs know they can't stop it if they wanted to and supposedly either SWFS are very rare (some say) and they are the bulk of the survivor community (others say)...it can't be both...but in any event, my opinion...RANKED GAMES SHOULD NOT BE OPEN TO SWF...ranked games should be the purest form of competition in the game...make another mode to "chill with your friends" if that is what you want to do. There seems to be a LOT of SWFs that do it and practice for the sole purpose of not only beating the killer, but with the added toxic intent of humiliating and bullying the killer. And many times, when I have managed to shut these people down, the DC en mass and abuse me in post game...because If I managed to stop them from bullying I apparently am a jerk. Killers, they have their own problems too I am not going to pretend that this is one sided. But as it goes with camping and tunneling...your perks, and your SKILLS are what is supposed to counter that. As in any sport...like if you look at volleyball, its unrealistic to have one side say the other side isn't allowed to spike the ball because you don't like to dive to save it but YOU are allowed to do it all you want. Camping has counterplay, tunneling HAS COUNTERPLAY...if you can't be bothered to learn how to counter that...you shouldn't be playing at the higher MMR you seem to want to aspire to., GOOD teams, good survivors KNOW what to do with those things...they don't demand the killer just not do it...that is like playing games with your 3 year old cousin and being asked to take it easy on them because they have NO CHANCE otherwise. So if survivors are asking the camping and tunneling to go away...to me it sounds like a 3 year old playing basketball with you but you have to play one handed and on your knees just to give him a shot of winning....don't be a toxic crying 3 year old, survivors...be better than that...stop asking the other side to tie hands behind their back. If you don't know how to counter these things, PM me...I will be happy to tell you and we can move ON.

Been noticing way more face-campers as of late. I just don't get it. It can't possibly be fun to just stand still for half the match. You're not even really playing the game at that point, so why queue up at all? Play something else if you're that frustrated.

DBD's average player count and peak player count (on Steam) are both higher than the beginning of the year. So unless the console base has dropped off significantly (which I doubt), I don't think the issue is people leaving. I'd be hard pressed to believe the -5,202 Gain from October into November is exclusively Killer mains.

As for the topic...

Camping works. I 4k more frequently whilst camping than I do while "playing nice." I'm sure the people playing killer in OP's games want to win more than they want to provide an enjoyable experience for all involved.

VERY commendable response! You kept an open mind and took info into consideration and then you verified that info for yourself. You are a GD UNICORN man....rare AF. Peace my friend.

i've been noticing a lot of facecampers, and they're all hardcore trickster mains.

they get really pissy when you loop them for any amount of time, and will camp you to death while hitting you on hook and nodding their heads, it's really strange cause it just kind of happened all at once.

If your games are lasting 10 minutes against a face camper, I assume it is because you are in the lowest mmr brackets where survivors are allergic to generators. I recommend playing immersed until he finds someone else and then doing 3 to 4 gens yourself for an easy escape.

It is clearly on an upward trend.

If you've never seen Steam Charts before, that tail end downward slope is this month, and it will be up above the red line by the end of January.

The current month is always "down" until the month ends, and then it reveals its true position. Considering we should be receiving a mid-chapter patch this month, the average player count will most assuredly be higher in January than it was in December.

...and if you are reffering to the hill in the middle of 2021, that is just the rise and fall of players following the announcement and release of the Resident Evil chapter. You will notice that 2020 has the same, albeit smaller, spike in the middle of the year--this was for the Silent Hill chapter. And again, 2019 had a spike for the Ash vs Evil Dead chapter and in 2018 for the release of Spirit (and probably a marketing campaign).

These spikes are not indicative of the overall trend, which is that DBD is rising in popularity and growing at a steady rate.

Should be fun for both sides. Makes for a better game. Perhaps we need some ethics, or play etiquette. How you enforce it would have to be something the Developers implement.

You need to camp to get kills reliably.