General Discussions
General Discussions
Why's the Cannibal being punished for the players' actions?
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So no one should care for those who loved Bubba's masks, right? They didn't do anything, but they took away what they loved. Just for some petty in-game coins.
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It's a borinf cosmetic in a live service game where any and everything can change at any given moment. You'll live.
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Then why don't we just delete all the colored characters from the game? Because they are always likely to be abused as an element of racism.
Such a lazy way to fix the problem. If the BHVR done their jobs well about rule reinforcements, this would have never been a problem in the first place.
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That's actually interesting to know...whether it was intentional or not, it definitely sounds like a last minute plea deal. Here's your monopoly dollars, enjoy
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The other option is to ban players who do so, but without confirmation about their intent it's really hard to do so.
What if the player is simply a toxic player? Facecamping and slapping someone while wearign that mask isnt racist, but the person behind it could be doing it for racist intentions.
Not accepting a POC for a job isnt racist, but the intentions behind it could be.
A death by cop situation on a poc isnt racist, but the intentions behind it could be.
There is no way to call someone racist without actual proof. You cant. Even if you assume it to be based on circumstantial evidence, a person could look really racist through personal bias alone. But without proof, you cannot call someone racist and have them banned because of it.
The best course of action is to remove the tools, even if those tools are enjoyed by non-racists too.
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Turn stream off?
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End the game, close the chat..
Hell the way I see it, the in-game text chat is the #1 tool for racists
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That's true. If we removed all colored characters, then we only have whites left? Then this in itself would be hypocrisy and then the black community would protest against BHVR because there are no black survivors in the game.
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Quick Question....and yes this is relevant..Mods/hacks that are able to change a killers model just for cosmetic purposes, All the survivors in that game can see it right????
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Mods are only visible to those who also have it installed.
If someone plays vanilla, no mods will be shown to them.
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Bubba's the latest victim to be canceled by the woke mob.
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Not Offensive: Mentally handicapped mass murderer that eats human flesh and wears the skin of his victims.
Offensive: Saying mean things on the internet.
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Bigotry finds a way
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BHVR knows the racist players can continue playing Bubba and being toxic without a cosmetic option right? I may not be able to understand the grand scope of things, but this is just sidestepping around an issue at best.
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ahh i see, i was fearing if hackers would still try to mod the mask back and make ppl still see it
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Nobody can explain how this was "weaponized" via gameplay.
Someone was swinging at the hook with a darker face and got upset? Or were they on chat and saying stuff?
If you think that a slightly darker face is the reason some people choose to be racist then, yeah, this is a joke.
On the other hand, if we are sussing out racist gameplay - I can't see how thats possible, and challenge anyone to show me a non verbal example.
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they would go only after the survivors that are Black, or if they know the actual person playing Any survivor is Black irl, usually the TTVs, and while wearing the mask only go Straight after them and them only while letting everyone else go willingly, along with face camping at the hook, beating them with the sledge, and chainsawing them on hook... AND the usual racist remarks in player chat and/or Person stream. 🤷♂️
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How would you know they are only going after the black characters for racist reasons?
How do you know they aren't just going after the TTV person in general? I have personally taken out the TTV quickly in many matches for fun.
Without verbalization you are just guessing. But racist players will still say their stuff in chat even without the slightly darker mask. This changes nothing IMO.
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It is sad that those mask are removed because of this reason. This for one is something I understand and I would further inquire why nothing was done about this racism from the player side. First the people who were abusing the masks should be punished for doing this.
I for one do not think that Bubba is blackfacing here. And even if he is: He is the Killer, the bad guy in the story, the one you are suppose to dislike. He makes masks out of peoples skin. Just as Freddy is a pedo and should not be your role model Bubba is too. But this debate is now futile as the feature is gone so this is fine now.
I can get it if people are chasing certain survivors for those masks. It is a "fun goal" to go after a survivor to get a cosmetic. However this in itself is a problem because this means that only those 4 survivors will get targeted. Thus the option was to either make more masks or remove them.
Now, I am quit sad that they are gone. I just got my first mask this week only to have it remove a few hours later without ever being able to use it. This mechanic to unlock face masks seemed quit cool for me and I liked playing Bubba for the memes anyway.
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They can't/don't even do anything against subtle hack users, what did you expect.
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The killer is played by a player and he "portrays" this character with his actions, but if you kill only woman-survivor in the game or every black Survivor isn't the problem with the killer itself.
bubba is a psychopath who uses the faces of his victims for reasons that are WAY beyond "racist" or and hate against anyone.
Or do we say "yo you play killer, you gonna kill someone irl?"
I wish we could have an actually interesting character without canceling everything.
i would LOVE to have more of these interactions. Getting a certain charm of a killer when you blind them 50 times or w/e.
does the clown lose it's mori because he cuts fingers of people :o "i want a finger from a person of color". Mechanics aren't the problem, people are.
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An idea is to take a part of every skin and sew it together and get that out of a solution. So entitled snowflakes cannot feel targetted all the time.
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Twitter warrior complained enough and they got what they wanted. I genuinely have not seen anyone complain about the mask anywhere except on Twitter lmao.
*edit
Maybe once on the forum where they somehow slinked their way here.
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So because you haven't seen anyone complain about it personally that means it's fine? Good oneeeee.
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Yes.
Because any sane individuals doesn't have a problem with the mask. It's lore friendly to the actual killer itself.
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It's really a pointless decision. Removing the mask won't stop people from being racist and punishes people who weren't being racist.
Honestly they could've just made the masks client side, so that only the person wearing the mask can see it. That would've worked just as well as removing them altogether.
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I have a lot to unpack here, but first and foremost, I think this was a wrong choice. Second, I have some serious questions here about how we came to this...
1- I saw the recent influx of posts on the forums complaining about Blackface and racism in regards to the Claudette mask. I would like to know, of those complaints, how many posted proof of what they experienced? And proof that undeniably showed the racist intent? Because I wonder if this is actually a bunch of trolls (or one really sad, determined one) who decided to run a campaign to get this item "cancelled," so to speak. I won't get deep into it, but this has become a common political tactic on the internet (see "Bernie Bros" aka people who hated his political agenda and pretended to be his supporters while acting abominably to paint his real supporters in a horrible light and undermine his campaign). Then said people sit back and laugh when they achieve their intended outcome.
2- As previously said, why are these players not being banned outright? Part of the reason this culture of racism, misogyny, and abusive behavior even exists is because of executive hand-wringing over profits and player bases at the developer and platform level. Nintendo is one of the few, if only platforms that has ever cracked down on it and it's so incredibly past time that all devs, publishers, and platforms start holding players accountable and try to mitigate this. *Be a part of the solution, not the problem.*
3- Given the context of this being a horror game, where do we draw the line? Without being able to ask what put the devs over the line on this decision, this is up in the air, but some complaints here stated that simply having the item equipped was racist. Does that fit with the character's backstory? No. Leatherface most likely lacks the intellectual capacity to understand racism. But is it also alright to portray someone with a mental disability as a ruthless murder? What about other characters? James Sunderland is Silent Hill 2's protagonist in terms of storytelling, but he is no hero. Instead, he murdered his terminally ill wife and there are implications that he committed non-consensual acts against the nursing staff where Mary was receiving care. This is abhorrent behavior, but creates a complex, compelling character and story. And horror often is about pushing the limits of narratives and examining the darker side of human emotion through graphic story telling. But doesn't that mean we should be drawing the line not at the content of the game, which is in the realm of fictional, but clearly draw it at the *real life actions of players who are committing these hateful acts against other real people?*
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Ah so all of the black people who complained about it are insane? Keep digging.
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Nah insane people do. Why are you putting a color with people?
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Hmm maybe because that's where the complaints were coming from?
I guess they're all insane though according to you.
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Yes the people complaining about it are not the entire black community. There's a difference between a cosmetic that's lore friendly to the killer. If people are being racist about it send your proof to tech support and they're going to take actions.
There's an Asian mask there why can't I be offended?
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The asian mask what looks pretty much identical to all the other masks so you wouldn't even notice it and isn't being used to antagonize asian people?
Great argument.
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But somewhere out there it's being used to antagonize asian people? The fact that you don't notice it the same as me not noticing it's being used to antagonize black people since you know they're all mask worn by a Killer known to wear human faces?
Great argument.
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I've provided you with a video of it being used to antagonize black people, can you do the same? Didn't think so, byeeeee with your smooth brain argument.
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Before you call someone clueless learn how to use "you're" and "your' correctly.
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You can't be doing that to me videogamedunkey
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Just a point: I've watched a game and a streamer was saying the bubba was tunnelling, camping and hitting them on hook because they were black?
Isn't this a regular occurrence with leatherface players though?
I, am quite often tunnelled, hit on hook and facecamped with insidious when survivoring against a leatherface
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It is but you shouldn't be saying that.
Also it's just streamer entitlement anyway. If they weren't black they just say the Leatherface was stream sniping them lol.
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lol just saying what I see in game i guess. I always get facecamped and slapped by leatherface when on hook ;(
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……..Not sure how this is even possible considering you load into a game with randomized people. You have no clue if you’ll get a streamer, let alone a POC streamer. Not even mentioning you can’t even change your killer whilst waiting in lobby anymore so even if these people found one they’d have to load in with Bubba already. A lotttttt of steps here.
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This is my main account. I came here just to post this. On top of that you are just dodging the questions and focusing on a projection of the person you are arguing with.
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It's not that hard to stream-snipe.
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It is, just don't put TTV in your name, and if you're on steam, dont put the link in your bio. How difficult can that be?
I've streamed before and when I got tired of being targeted for having TTV in my name, I just, removed it.... took me 3 seconds to do so.
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On dbd? These days? You have to 1. Be around the persons mmr 2. Find a specific streamer before hand 3. Account for stream delay if 4. Queue and requeue until you find them which probably won’t happen because they’ll end up in a lobby not with the stream sniper. Way too many variables.
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A lot people know I stream even without TTVs etc, especially bigger content creators why should they have to change their name or something so RACISTS don't abuse them?
Simply don't be racist and don't defend racists, it's not on black people to hide their links or name so they aren't targeted.
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Instead of telling me to not be racist or defend racists, when I'm not racist and I'm not defending anyone, why don't you go and give your stream donations and sub donations to a charity that helps minority? Way more productive to do so then act like you care on an online forum.
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Yes on dbd, yes these days.
1. If you're above average mmr it's not hard.
2. Also not hard, these are the people being targeted.
3. Barely any delay.
4. Stream-snipers have nothing better to do so it will happen eventually.
I see lots of streamers getting sniped all the time and then proven that they were sniping in the end game chat.
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When is Claudette getting removed?
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When you're pulling a fair amount of viewers you aren't exactly hard to find on twitch.
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Where did I tell you not to be racist, I said "Simply don't be racist or defend racists", that's the answer to all this racism, but you are basically defending racists by telling black people what they should do instead of telling the racists what they should do.
Yea why don't we all make donations? That WOULD be far more productive than crying on a forum about 4 dumb free cosmetics or telling black people not to tell others they stream, lmao.
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