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Killer´s are punished by survivors for their fair behavior. Why is this not changed BHVR?
It's the same every time... as if Flashlight clicker, DH abuser and Teabagger were not enough. You still play fair and then you get negative MMR shoved up your ass as a reward. Then when you get laughed at in chat, it's especially motivating..... I think I should change the way I play, because I'm really tired of taking the rap for BHVR's MMR concept.
If you ask me, the wincondition should never have been published.
What a great logic... and pretty good Job so far
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Flashlight griefer?
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clicker, im sry. It is simply a matter of the principle. If you focus on fun and play fair you will still be punished by BHVR with a negative MMR
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Negative MMR isn't a punishment when you're a killer. It's absolutely a punishment on the survivor side, though.
That said - I 100% agree that this game does not incentivize killers to play nice or interactive at all. The current meta reinforces that at double strength (split pressure doesn't work, so commit commit commit), but it's been true for a long time. Games go too fast against good survivors not to play hard, and if you don't get rid of someone immediately, you're going to lose unless they screw up, so killers get used to having to destroy someone ASAP (and then teams that don't play at top efficiency get completely destroyed.) Playing in a way that's fun for everyone is objectively less effective than playing ruthlessly, and frequently leads to getting mocked by the other players, and that's a real issue from a general fun standpoint.
And on the flipside, I rarely see survivors let up if the killer is obviously struggling, either. And that "rarely" is either "there's one gen left at one hook so let's open some chests and do bones, but bail if the killer picks up the pace", or it's "the killer is standing in the corner and I feel bad for them." So often do I see the killer get their first down at 2 gens left and all the others rush in for flashlight and sabo plays. I'm always like... c'mon, guys, just let them have the damn hook. (If it's me, sometimes I'll just stand there after the save and wait patiently to be downed again.) About the only good thing I can say about survivors playing mean and incentives is that aggressive flashlight teams tend to die due to poor gen focus and risky plays. It's riskier than tunneling somebody to death at 4 gens, anyway.
Add in that the chat often goes over like a sack of dicks regardless of how charitably you played, and yeah, the general mood in this place drains you.
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Negative MMR is a positive because you are able to play as fair as you want at lower mmr. Like???
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Dh abuser?
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Since when is negative MMR punishment? It's a reward...
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That´s true. If you enjoy playing on lower MMR then congratulations
using DH for distance, not for protection
This game simply offers no incentives for killers to play nice or interact. We all know this: if you let a survivor escape, you lose MMR as a killer and if you want to increase your MMR, you have no choice but to play dirty and that makes me very sad.
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a reward ?, for what ? 😂
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So using a perk is abusing it? Using dh for distance makes perfect sense. Can we stop shaming people for using playstyles and perks as long as they are not bm'ing and being rude during the match?
Someone using noed (or whatever killer perk) or dh doesn't make them abusers. Don't demonise people just because your ego got hurt and you "lost" in unbalanced game where most of the things are rng or broken or both anyway.
Some people are just playing the game and using things that are available in it.
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That's exactly what you were speculating about, isn't it? You were waiting for me to explain to you what exactly I meant by DH abusing or? You knew what I meant from the beginning and now you act like you don't know and then give your opinion. Of course DH is abused to create distance and at least 90% of the time. You don't need to downplay it because there are enough threads about it here on the forum. But that's not what this post is about and I don't want to digress from the topic. What I have a problem with is: you play fair, focus on having fun, and still get punished with a negative MMR when survivors escaping even though you put effort into the match. Where's the sense in that?
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Hey, let's stop shaming my playstyle even if I am BM and rude during the match. Us face camping, smash your face with a hammer Bubba matter too, you know. We have feelings. We are only human, after all.
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You don't want to be high MMR... Like what does it give you? You don't see it anywhere. You just get better survivors, or at least survivors that try to win more. You sure you want that when you want to be fair?
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You are absolutely right and I agree with you 100%. But for me, it's not about a high MMR. For me it's just about: you try hard, make a lot of hookz and give it your all, but in the end you don't get a kill. Then you get MMR deducted as a reward for your effort and that's demotivating, even though you played well.
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How do you know for sure? Maybe they changed it somehow. You don't see anything that would say that... You know, invisible number...
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Be glad you're in low MMR. High MMR is like... a pit of accumulated toxic gases and super acids that melts you within seconds when exposed.
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You didn't play well if you didn't get a kill. They ez clapped you from Timbuktu and back, fam. Mmr is for real killers. Git gud.
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who cares about MMR...
Its literally an invisible number that barely means anything
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You are just using "fair" as a tool. Some survs consider things you as a killer use unfair as well.
Using a perk effectively doesn't equal abuse.
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If you cant win without playing scummy then just play scummy. It's easier to do that than get better anyways.
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Uhm. Soooo. Flashlight clicking and t bagging imo are used to get un the killers head. And if it mad you mad or frustrated you then it worked. There is nothing wrong with those situations.
Also just someone uses DH for distance doesn't mean they abuse the perk. I honestly can't think of a way you could abuse any perk unless the perk it's self is bugged (i.e. breakdown when the hooks never respawned after a patch).
You can change the way you play all you want. It's not going to stop people from making fun of you in end game chat. Welcome to the internet.
Also I'm pretty sure over half the player base have there own win conditions. Some of which might have already aligned with what bhvr detailed there mmr being based off of. So the way people played before and after that was announced probably barely changed.
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Dead Hard Abuser! LOL
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right, I should camp everyone and tunnels away then I have really much skill and then also does not need to get better. Thanks you have saved my day 😉
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I get where you are coming from...I literally just got t-bagged by 2 survivors at gate in a 10 hook game on haddonfield with ######### Legion. Worst killer in gm 10 hooks on haddonfield without tunneling and you think you won?
On the flip side perks are in the game to use. Cant shame people for running perks that they did not create. Its not survivors fault the ######### is broken so focus your hate to the people responsible.
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10 hookz on haddonfield, gj but It doesn't matter how many hooks you have or how well you played. Every survivor that escapes, automatically means -mmr for you and if more than 2 escape, you've lost the match. Knowing this is not very motivating but that's just the way it is....yes it is what it is but nobody can't tell me that's fun in the long run.... Anyone who says that is lying. Sry
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I could care less what mmr thinks of my game. I know a 10 hook gm on haddonfield with legion is a win. Great BP, multiple kills, and a pip. Losing mmr is just icing on the cake. You seem wayyy to worried about a number you cant see. ######### cares bro.
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I'm glad to see that you can say for yourself that it's a win. Unfortunately, the facts say otherwise. But maybe you're right, I really should worry less about the MMR and just start playing the way I like it and not the way the survivors like it, after all I'm playing killer not butler for the survivors. I'm going to practice camping and tunneling a bit, see how it feels. thanks
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I didnt say start tunneling/camping for fun. Dbd has always had mixed feelings on win conditions. I count a win (in my book) 3k or better unless specific situations occur. Reason why i consider my Legion game a win was because i played fair, got 10 hooks, on Haddonfield, with worst killer in game. Mmr dont work anyhow so no one should be worried about it except maybe (MAYBE) survivors. As since a lower mmr means lower IQ team is more likely.
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Also a lot of survivors are brain dead....I have had multiple survivors think they won because they found hatch when i killed the 3rd survivor at 4-5 gens remaining.
Funniest part is killer decides whether or not you get hatch. Any killer can slug the 3rd and wait to get you denying hatch. So if you got hatch he allowed it one way or other.
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I think what people have a problem with is that Dead Hard does 2 things in 1. Whereas all the other exhaustion perks only have one thing going for them. So they should either remove that much distance gained or remove the invincible Iframes that negate a lot of killer's powers. It simply does too much to warrant just one perk slot.
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"There is nothing wrong with trying to make the other people playing the game mad if it gives you an advantage" is, at best, incredibly unsportsmanlike. But it's mostly just childish and the most pathetic excuse for being a jerk.
And most flashlight clicking or teabagging happens at the end of the game anyway. Please, enlighten us all how there can be a gameplay advantage to being annoying whilst standing at the exit.
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"There is nothing wrong with trying to make the other people playing the game mad if it gives you an advantage"
rly ?.....Just the thought of it is disgusting
This is absl. correct !
I know you didn't say that and it was meant ironically. A 3k is great and no one says anything. Even a 2k and enough hookz I personally count as a win, but not if you played well and then all survivors escape and you know.... now i get mmr deducted as a reward even though i played well. You're right, I should focus less on mmr. Still I can't stand the thought "you lost" even though you gave it your all.
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I was mainly talking about during the match for gaining an advantage not at the end. If it's at the exit gates who cares. You are taking things way to seriously if you let something so little get to you.
I would not say doing it midgame is unsportsmanlike though. If I can lead the killer on for a long chase then yeah im going to do everything in my power to try and get in his head and make him want to chase me. It's not being childish. It's not being a jerk. It's simply strategy. If it makes the killer throw the game just for me then fine. If the killer refuses to take the chase then good on them. They made the survivor waste their own time. If the killer gets frustrated about it and nearly instantly downs the survivor after the flashlight clicking or t bagging, then enjoy the dopamine boost and enjoy the game.
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"I want to make someone mad because maybe they will make a mistake and I'll win my video game round!"
You don't think deliberately setting out to try and make someone else be in a bad mood so you can win a video game isn't unsportsmanlike? If anyone's taking something too seriously, it's you people who insist that it's totally valid and necessary to win at all costs including doing the thing that you insist shouldn't bother anyone because it might bother someone and trick them into making mistakes.
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How about I re phrase it then.
It is done to alter the killers priorities and have them focus solely on the one survivor. This is done to possibly cause the killer to throw the game to focus that one person down. It might fluster the killers thought process and they might end up making mistakes because of it. It is unfortunate that some gamers get mad at this kind of behavior even though it is a respectable tactic.
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But it's mostly used for BM and to antagonise people, which means it isn't a respectable tactic. You can't change common usage by insisting that you can find an excuse for it.
Being a jerk is being a jerk no matter how much you claim it's for a good cause.
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