Killers Are Humans Too
If you and your SWF team has just crushed a killer's hopes and dreams, stunned them with every pallet, and cleansed their totems are the very start of the match, don't sit together at the exit gates and stare at the killer/teabag/emote/heal/etc. Just. Leave. Plain and simple. You earned your escape, well done, but there's no need to rub it in someone's face that they didn't preform well.
When I preform very well against survivors, I feel bad for them, and consciously avoid tunneling, camping, even something giving survivors extra chances by just downing them, but letting their teammates heal them.
There just seems to be this consistency in the community that killers who dominate survivors go out of their way to be nice in ways that they can, but when survivors dominate killers they can't wait to hit crouch 4000x times, or stare at you like a group of meerkats. It just leaves a bad taste, and sometimes really infuriates me as killer. You're also not doing your fellow survivors any favours in my next game where I'm going in with the mindset that all survivors are trolls, and decide that I'm not going to do the aforementioned nice things that I could do as killer.
I understand that the whole David vs. Goliath situation makes a survivor win feel that much more accomplished, but I don't think I'd have to read a history book to know that David didn't teabag Goliath when he killed him.
This issue has been especially prevalent in the recent Bloodrush event, in that a lot of people seem to be sweating. As I said, I try to extend the game any way I can, like downing and leaving a survivor to be healed, so that we can all get a nice share of BP together. Yet, survivors tend to forget this and prefer to taunt killers to their wit's end, despite having just dominate the trial against them.
Bottom line, grow up. We're sick of your s***
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No, I am a cat. Meow. We are heartless predators who do what we must to be rubbed on the belly not once, not twice, but thrice. Any more than that and you are risking death, son.
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Couldn't agree more. We're at the point that people are confused when they go up against someone casual though. There's like an implicit assumption that this has to be a hyper competitive spit-in-their-face game and it doesn't.
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Yes.
They are.
No one said they weren't.
Dramatizing bog-standard BM is tiring.
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I'll heal in the exit gate all I want, that's free points. If you don't like it, hit me out, not that hard.
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No the demogorgen is a dog wym
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Sorry killers are from mars.
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And yet they say "To become a killer one must be devoid of humanity" so technically your argument fails that assessment
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Why would a survivor feel accomplished after escaping lol. This game is designed so that even the most baby mr. potato heads can escape
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The last time i checked i was considered human - and i play killer sometimes... so i can confirm.
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Very well put.
I have said it a few times, and I will say it again: Killers are the more altruistic factions of the two. The altruism between the factions is the only real and pure altruism, because you get no in-game reward for it, but quite on the contrary, even reduce your actual reward for the round.
If a killer totally dominates and crushes the survivors, it is quite often, sometimes even expected, that the killer shows some pity and gives the last one the hatch, at least if thes did't play like total douches all game.
The altruism that flows from the survivors towards the killer is much, much rarer, though, and in my 400h+ I only encountered 4 seperate instances of Survivor-Killer-Altruism.
1) First one was Oni on Haddonfield. I had a few bad matches, and then playing Haddonfield literally broke me for the night. So after three or four gens flying bye with survivors just occasionally flitting over the street, I just gave up and stood there on the street. After a minute or so survivors noticed and cautiously approached me. I even turned to look at them, but didnt't give chase, why bother? But then one after another they all gived me their items and lay them in front of me. After that I chased them a bit around, and we even had a little turn-around dance in front of the exit gate. We then waved each other good bye and I felt much better.
2) My second one was very impactful for me and on Gas Heaven. The survivors totally dominated and crushed me, and even though I purposefully didn't go for the unhooked survivors, t-bagging and clickety clicking was my only reward. Until the exit gates opened and a Claudette, who I spared earlier, apporached me. She would then walk over to a hook and wave at me, giving me my very first mercy hook. I was so touched and we are now steam friends.
3) The third was on one of the Forest maps. After getting crushed and run circled around by the survivors, and bad mannered by a few, I just gave up. A Nancy noticed, and took a long look at me, before she zoomed off. When the exit gates opened the Nancy returned, with her SWF Jeff in tow, and both of them game me a mercy sacrifice. They wouldn't move to the exit gate, even after two hooks I motioned over there.
4) The last one was on Grim Pantry. I had a bad day and nothing was going my way, even though it wasn't the survivors fault. Just when the last gen popped I finally downed a Feng, actually my very first down that trial. And while she lay there in front of me, I thought "Ah well, everyone played really good this match, but now we will have this ugly camping for that one kill and they will probably still all escape. F-that" and so I picked her up and hauled her over to the exit gate, where I dropped her down and opened the gate myself.
The other survivors kinda panicked and run away in all directions... all save on Jeff, who had a certain divine quality, with his long hair and serene face. He approached me without fear and looked me in the eye. He then healed the Feng and walked over to a hook, giving me a mercy hook. Some of the other survivors unhooked him, but he wouldn't budge and stubornly give me a mercy sacrifice. What a man!
So the altruism towards killers exists, but its very rare and I am sure that a lot of survivor players wouldn't even think about it in their wildest dreams, its just that alien a concept to most. But every single one of this instanced burned itself into my mind and left a lasting impression, helping in mending the rift between survivors and me, the killer. I am much more inclinded to give a mercy hatch now, and even let two survivors escape, when I totally dominated the round. A bit less vitriol would do us all good.
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(Note: This post only applies to Survivors who fall into this mindset. Obviously, not every Survivor thinks this way.)
Sometimes it does feel like there's this massive double-standard in the DBD community.
Killer gets a 4K:
Survivors: OMG! Tryhard! Sweaty Killer! Crutch Perks! Sweatlord give hatch! Be happy w/ 3K!
Survivors get a 4E:
Survivors: Baby killer! Noob! Uninstall! *Crouch-spams in the exit gates* Git gud!
I have never EVER had a Survivor give me a pity kill. But I'm put on blast every match I don't give a pity escape.
And I freaking HATE BP events. I try to farm? Survivors slam gens and twerk out the exit gates, and insult me as above. If I try to win? Survivors insult me for being a sweat, tryhard, and/or ruining the event.
There seems to be this thought in part of the Survivor community (Not all Survivors), that Killers are expected to make THEM happy. That Killers are supposed to make Survivors have fun before trying to win, because Killers can remove people from the game, and that's MEAN! 😥
Any Killers, Perks, or Tactics that they hate; Killers are disallowed from using. And if a Killer does use them; this is a valid excuse to insult, belittle, and threaten said Killers. Because said Killers were 'Toxic first' by using Killer/perk/tactic that Survivors decide are toxic.
NoED? Toxic; you deserve the death threats. Camping? BM; learn to play. Slugging? Toxic; going to be told to off yourself. Etc. etc.
And part of the insane beauty of this mindset is that what is camping/slugging/tunneling varies from Survivor to Survivor. I once got called a 'proxy facecamper'. Even though 'facecamping' means standing at the hook, and 'proxy camping' means moving away but coming back, or not moving too far away. Yes; I was Hang. But my traps were in chokepoints/pallet points. Not at the hook itself. The rescued Survivors DID NOT have to hold crouch to avoid a trap. And I did this EVERY TIME. Anyone with half a brain woulda void, or crouch through, chokepoints. Not them, and thus it was my fault.
But Killers are fully expected to not only obey these fake rules, but know what each and every Survivor considers camping, slugging, and tunneling, per Survivor, per game. Or get insulted, threatened, and told to off oneself.
It just sucks the fun out of the game to be blasted for trying too hard. Then be blasted for losing. Then be blasted because THIS Survivor hates Doctor. Then be blasted because this NEXT Survivor hates Trapper. Then THIS one fully expected the Hatch for being Last Survivor, and it's my fault I did not give baby his bottle/hatch like he wanted.
It's gods damned mentally exhausting to see a legit 'gg' once every 15 matches, instead of 'ggez'. If Survivors want to know why their queue times are going up so high, it's because playing Killer right now is like being a Plumber; even your best day is going to catch allot of crap.
And yes, before anyone says so; it does happen in reverse. There ARE toxic Killers who will pick apart perk choices, and scream about being pallet stunned, and say things like 'You held W real well, scrub!'
Both sides need to step TF back and treat each other like human gods damned beings. The world sucks hard enough without beating all fun out of a freaking VIDEO GAME.
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I agree but what species is demagorgen?
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It's obvious: Demogorgon is what is known as a Good Boi. This is a rare species that only it, and every dog, belong too.
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In the series there is only one that is kinda good...
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Never watched the series. I'm just memeing on Demogorgon in DBD. He is a good boi. 😁
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You should - after that i understand all the costumes for Nancy and Steve which is pretty cool.
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For real. I rewatched the whole series in preparation for season 4 and to get into the mindset of the Demogorgon, and it most definitely is an excelent series. It got its flaws, like every show, but its a lot of fun.
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There's no need to for people to sit at the exit doors to deliberately be toxic. If you weren't toxic to them, then they shouldn't be toxic. However I can't say that everyone waiting at a door is doing it to be toxic.
Survivors also are played by humans, who may want to progress in the game by doing challenges or getting more bloodpoints. Unfortunately for you sometimes this requires them to wait at the door longer to get hit out. Could be WGLF stacks or protection hit challenge or something else.
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BM being bog standard is tiring.
I don't expect that to change, but those who BM are still immature twonks for doing it, and even incessantly calling it out is far less tedious than the behavior itself.
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If everybody tries to be a little less toxic it would be a step in the right direction... but will probably not happen.
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Ok, on re-read, I shouldn't have said heal because that's valid for BP, but the other points still stand.
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I don't expect people to give free kills, or even free hits, and I may have worded my OP a little bit badly, but it's certain things like waiting at the exit gates until the killer runs the whole way across the map to force you out that are just really unnecessary. If I was the blame the game, then it would defy the fact that teabagging is actually an essential crouch mechanic in the game. It's your choice as Survivor to teabag, the game doesn't force, or even require you to do so.
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wrong, imagine not being a catgirl smh my head
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This is even better put, and much more understandable than my own OP. Good for you, and thanks for your comment😊
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Mmm well said, especially including that killers can be toxic aswell. Personally, I've never really experienced a killer being toxic when I play survivor, bar when I face Bubba. It's like 7/10 Bubbas I face love to 360 when they down you, or rev their Chainsaw until it overheats, etc. Something I've come to notice as I play more Survivor is that most of the time, my Unbroken Emblem quality doesn't even effect my rank progression. Whether I get a Sliver, or an Iridescent, I still get 1 pip, provided I played well in other aspects. So giving killers mercy kills isn't even all that bad after all.
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Oh yeah, I definitely understand this, and there is the challenge of letting other survivors escape before you while still alive in the trial, but it's when you have a team sitting together at the gate refusing to move until you force them out that's annoying. And it's not even "let's give the killer a free hit and then we'll escape". It's literally "haha, gonna sit here until the killer hauls ass and hits each and every one of us once/twice and then we escape". Just unnecessary to be honest.
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This is definitely true, but as someone who frequents both sides of the trial, I can say I have faced toxic survivors way way more than toxic killers. Just from personal experience though.
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That type of situation is exactly why I believe EVERYONE that, at one point or another, did something to annoy the other side without being provoked first should be permanently banned.
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I get that it's unnecessary but it's something that only takes a max of 15 seconds to do. I hate it more when they leave just before I hit them, since then I know it's probably just bm. At least when I hit them out it could be a challenge and also gives me some points.
So long as they weren't t-bagging, even though I played fair, then I don't mind them waiting.
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dont go to the gate?
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The only two reasons I'd stay longer than needed are
- I want to make sure my teammates are okay. If someone is being chased and I can take a hit for them to make sure they get to the exit gates I will go for it. Also if I feel someone may go down to NOED I'd look for the totem as much as possible even if the exit gates are open.
- The killer facecamping. Yes, it's petty. But if they have enough time to waste to sit in front of a hook to watch someone die, I think they won't mind staying a few extra seconds at the end watching me stare from the exit gate.
Other than these two scenarios I just leave the match as soon as possible. One extra hit won't make a difference to the final BPs for any side really.
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TBF; camping in the endgame is quite normal. I mean, where else is the Killer going to be? Pressuring the completed gens? Running to the open door & letting his kill get unhooked?
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Like survive while other survivors escape, which means you have to escape last.
I often stay at the gate to give the killer a hit or two so they get points for that, I don't clicky-clicky or teabag tho, I've played killer enough to know how annoying it is.
Sometimes I'll give a pity sacrifice but last times I played I've been conflicted about that cause I don't want a killer who struggled against me (not a really good survivor) to increase their MMR and face stronger opponents
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Yeah, this is why I never expect either side to give pity in relation to escaping/sacrificing as the MMR system is just so broken.
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I mean I stopped playing DbD a while ago, cuz playing Survivor felt kinda boring and being Killer is getting bullied, even If I like to play Killer some times. 1 week ago I started playing DbD again and on Day2 I got a full SWF Squad that really wanted to bully me. I just wanted to play 1 game to do my daily. So I chose clown and gone in queue. Few seconds later I got in the lobby and everyone took a flashlight, I was kinda lucky that I found lightborn in my perks. I took it and pressed ready. In loading screen I saw they all took a offering for hooks standing further away. Right after I was ingame, I saw instantly one survivor running to me and got macro for flashlight clicking. This was the point, where I know this is gonna be a "bully the killer" game. I know I got lightborn but after stop playing this game for half of a year and having the same MMR like the time I end playing. I just wouldnt enjoy the game. So I left the game and the worst part is, I felt kinda bad for the survivor being a jerk and leaving cuz I left and they to search again for a game. But in endgamechat they spammed: "EZ" "GET REKT" "NOOB". This is the point idk why people behave like that. I tried to have a normal conversation with them but they refused to do that.
So Killer are humans but some Survivors are just "Dicks"
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Wow, an actually sane person on these forums? It's been a while since I've seen this.
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Survivors are humans too, why kill them. 😞
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The fact that BM is considered 'bog standard' in this game is honestly pretty tiring in and of itself.
I've been gaming for decades, and this community has a knack of getting under my skin in a way that few have ever managed.
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What tha dog doin
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BM is bog standard in every game.
People are #########.
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You say that...but not really. I've played a lot of PvP games, particularly RTS and MMOs - and the only games I can think of offhand that have communities as poisonous as DbD are pre-Tribunal LoL, the original DOTA and CS:GO.
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