When will legion be a threat and not a joke?

Schorts94 said:

Seriously I wanna have fun with this killer at high ranks without being severely bullied or having to rely on franks mix tape

Legion has no counter play besides stealth so it's a

Anyways, Legion's power needs a rework in my opinion to have more skill and counter play involved.

I was about to suggest getting rid of Deep Wounds in favor just vaulting and running but if Legion can attack in FF he's OP like he was in the PTB. Maybe that should be taken out instead of the Deep Wounds? He can run really fast, break pallets really fast without losing his power but can't vault pallets or windows anymore. That might fix him.

@Bbbrian2013 said:

3-4k with franks mix tape and cooldown add-ons maybe. Like Tru does.

While that's rue I've faced Legion's also doing well not using the mix tape and I main Spirit and everyone thinks you can only do it with her very rares. While very rares etc make getting kills easier they're not necessary and people 3-4k on perkless killers.

I just ran into a hard camping and i mean hard camping Legion just now that got 2 kills but had he actually played him properly could've easily have gotten 3-4k.

Tbh, legion does struggle at high rank, but it's because his power ultimately works against him. It lacks the lethality and effectiveness unless you have FMT. Which then it becomes OP.

So we either have a killer with a wet noodle at high ranks or an OP supposed "no counter" killer with FMT.

He needs to be looked into more and this is coming from a legion main honestly...

@anarchy753 said:

@powerbats said:
Everyone thinks you can only do it with her very rares.

I haven't really heard that anywhere. Her very rares are fairly strong compared to other killers but in the discussions I've seen about her most people regard her as a strong killer regardless of add ons.

I've seen it quite a bit when some were asking for buffs to her or saying you needed her very rares to be good with her.

DarkWo1f997 said:

Definitely not a joke. 

No offense but you beating up on some scrub rank 1's doesn't prove anything. 

yeet said:

@Vietfox said:
Maybe it's your skills that makes the legion look like a joke, never thought about that?

legion requires literally no skill to play so this is an absurd statement

Survivor period takes no skill 

@KingSavageGaming said:
yeet said:

@Vietfox said:

Maybe it's your skills that makes the legion look like a joke, never thought about that?

legion requires literally no skill to play so this is an absurd statement

Survivor period takes no skill 

That's why rank 20 newbies can stomp rank 1 killers!
Obviously it takes skill. You need to learn routing and the map.
You need to learn skill checks and how to run. How to do good saves. What certain skills mean to the game, etc.

@fluffybunny said:

That's why rank 20 newbies can stomp rank 1 killers!
Obviously it takes skill. You need to learn routing and the map.
You need to learn skill checks and how to run. How to do good saves. What certain skills mean to the game, etc.

I tried to fight against them but nope it is impossible.

They are bad at the game and if they acknowledge that the survivor side takes skill, then they have to accept they lost to better players.

Just look 2 posts above, he calls rank 1 survivors scrub. If it takes no skill, how can he 4k against a survivor team? Wouldn't be every survivor the same since there is no skill involved.

Again they are bad at the game and they have to blame it on something rather than themselves.

@Blueberry said:
Can we stop mentioning how True is doing with Legion at rank 1 as a comparison. Literally almost every single one of his videos is using purple addons. That is not the norm. His results aren't the same without being decked in purples.

I believe I saw Puppers play Legion and he didn't have purple add-ons, too.

@Master said:

@powerbats said:

@Fenrir said:
Vietfox said:

Maybe it's your skills that makes the legion look like a joke, never thought about that?

Nope because its actually legion thatsthats the problem

Yet people are able to 3-4k with him quite often which would suggest it's not the killer it's the person controlling said killer that's bad.

People are able to 3-4k with freddy too (against potato survivors).
Legion suffers against genrushing SWF just like most killers

They need to tweak SWF imo. Like limit the items they can take in or limit the perks they could use. I will say I've heard somewhere that genrushing happens when survivors aren't kept busy.

@Blueberry said:

@fluffybunny said:

@Blueberry said:
Can we stop mentioning how True is doing with Legion at rank 1 as a comparison. Literally almost every single one of his videos is using purple addons. That is not the norm. His results aren't the same without being decked in purples.

I believe I saw Puppers play Legion and he didn't have purple add-ons, too.

I also wreck with Freddy at rank 1 every now and then, that doesn't mean it's the norm or indicative of him being strong. That is anecdotal. We can all have games where the survivors play like derps.

What can we use if not anecdotal? What exactly are you using? Legion also doesn't have many counters from what I've seen. If you've ever had someone chase after you while you're in BT, you'll get it. If they set their eyes on you, you're going down. They're very good with one on ones.

@KingSavageGaming said:
DarkWo1f997 said:

Definitely not a joke. 

No offense but you beating up on some scrub rank 1's doesn't prove anything. 

Am curious, why whispers on legion? Wouldn't Monitor and Abuse be better?

@Master said:

@fluffybunny said:

@Blueberry said:

@fluffybunny said:

@Blueberry said:
Can we stop mentioning how True is doing with Legion at rank 1 as a comparison. Literally almost every single one of his videos is using purple addons. That is not the norm. His results aren't the same without being decked in purples.

I believe I saw Puppers play Legion and he didn't have purple add-ons, too.

I also wreck with Freddy at rank 1 every now and then, that doesn't mean it's the norm or indicative of him being strong. That is anecdotal. We can all have games where the survivors play like derps.

What can we use if not anecdotal? What exactly are you using? Legion also doesn't have many counters from what I've seen. If you've ever had someone chase after you while you're in BT, you'll get it. If they set their eyes on you, you're going down. They're very good with one on ones.

You dont need to escape the chase, you just prolong it as long as possible

I'm not talking about escaping. He's a brain dead killer. He can spam his m1 attack in frenzy and still get a hit, and then he can also cheese it and follow you without looking so you fall down. Also, if he has mixed tape, good luck with getting away. That's only three hits and two are guaranteed. He's really good at 1 vs 1. Honestly I think is power should be reworked to counter loops, but lessen the amount taken off and just give him normal speed.

I think they just need to give him full 115% movespeed and somehow get rid of the "look at the ground and follow the blood" mechanic. This makes his normal M1 to down viable, makes people have to heal against him and simply leaves his Feral Frenzy as a tool for slowing survivors down, creating pressure and reducing chase times. Then he'll just go for either M1's for downs or if people are full health Feral Frenzy for pressure.

Most balanced change that makes since imo while making him viable without overbearing.

EDIT: I also still have no idea why he has the power bar reset on each normal M1 attack, needs to be removed. It's an unnecessary handicap.