I don't think Oni is a top 5 character anymore

Well the biggest problem he always had is that survivors can deny him his power for an extended amount of time by playing ultra safe and not giving him any easy hits. He is still pretty strong though, at least once he gets the ball rolling but boons definitely hurt him (COH in particular of course)

I don't think he ever was tbh. Not that he's bad but he is potentially an M1 killer with no power for the beginning of the match and a decent survivor can make that happen for a long time.

He’s good with his power, but one will almost always struggle in the early game because he’s incredibly weak at the beginning, mix that with good survivors and he’s not very good (in higher ranks)

Honestly I have to agree, but not because of COH. While COH sucks especially for Oni he can still get his power through regular hits. The problem is him actually getting the initial hit.

Thanks to the latest maps new design it is even easier for survivors to play ultra safe and never allow Oni to get his power early on. And thanks to boon shadow step it is even harder to chase survivors in a map like RPD when you have no trail to follow and several safe pallets on a huge map.

If getting his power early on wasn't such a hassle, COH wouldn't matter all that much since his snowballing potential is good.

Well Rin was always the Chad Yamaoka anyway so it’s fine.

My opinion could be altered since I am dire hearth Oni main but

I dont feel a big difference, good survivors could always heal very fast, CoH isnt a big difference their. Maps are actually a bigger factor than the perk, if you get a pallet heavy map like Blood lodge for example then you will suffer most likely.

If you know how to manage your blood then you are fine as Oni but well since 99% of the oni players are just ppl doing their dailys this ancient technique has been forgotten.

exactly

I love boon totems on Oni, especially Circle of Healing. All the survivors go to it which means they're depositing all the blood in one spot. Make a mental note of where the totem is and collect blood when needed.

Boon totem more like blood bank lol lmao

Firstly, usually add ons arent taken into consideration when ranking a killer, but even with those add ons its debatable where he would place. Even if CoH didnt exist, he would be the 7th/8th best killer in the game for me, behind Nurse, Blight, Spirit, Artist, Hag, Huntress and then Oni or Twins being in that 7th and 8th spot. Even with lethal, he has nothing against a good team. Other than maybe Hag and even a bigger maybe with Huntress, those characters don't struggle getting the first hit quickly, and all of them except Hag (again) can use lethal to a much bigger extent than what Oni can. All these killers above Oni deal with teams more efficiently and are less reliant on mistakes. Oni relies on mistakes to get the ball rolling. When he's in his power he is without a doubt extremely dangerous, but as I've stressed multiple times here, he has to work to get his power which can easily be denied by good survs.

Sorry to say this but this person got it.

How about the idea that survivors just got better.

More survivors understand that they have to play super safe against an Oni and not let him get the first hit to make him steamroll your team. On maps light Ormont (Mt Palletmont...) this is pretty easy and can be done even by a survivor like me.

Then longer Oni gets delayed with his power, then better for the survivors.

I agree that I do not feel Cycle of Healing that much. As most of my downs come from my power anyway this is not as much of an issue just as for Hillbilly or Cannibal...

I stopped playing him and I just play easy mode version of him which is blight. As survivor, I can semi-consistently 1vs1 his entire ability. Oni ability is probably the most over-estimated killer power in the game. With some base-kit tweaks, he could be a lot stronger. Changing iridescent family crest does not move needle for him.

I don't have lethal :(

from my experience, it took me about 5 days to be average at him when he first came out which is around 15 games. Nurse, Deathslinger and Trickster are way harder mechanically intensive killers that need pinpoint precision on their abilities

Blight is 115% m/s killer that by default has normal m1 game unlike say nurse that moves at 96 m/s. Few tips if your struggling with Blight would be:

-Start by only using 2 dash tokens until your consistent at landing his blighted rush, Don't go for over ambitious dashes at start

-Attack with Blight rush early, Don't use his lunge as if your playing against dead hard.

-Don't use his power at loops at the start, Use his power between loops. After blight breaks pallets, Blight's movement speed is so fast that he often hits survivors before they make it to next pallet. His greatest strength is his ability to counter chaining tiles together and undermine survivor's sprint burst after a health state loss.

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Once you've learned his basics. Advance tips

-Start using 3, than 4, than 5 dashes more regularly in chases. Try to predict survivor's movement as you bounce.

-Learn hug tech, Recommend watching Otzdarva blight 50 killstreak. It shows various use cases for using blight's ability at loops, Hug tech is what separates mediocre blights from the best blights. Using blight's ability at loops is essential to mastering blight as it drastically lowers his chase time.

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In the end, Blight is all about timing. Once you know when and where to use his ability, Blight becomes more like playing musical instrument. He does not very much mechanic execution, Its bounce, bounce, hit. Flicking his camera angle into blighted rush(a lunge that slides along walls) is about as mechanical as he gets.

With Oni, Oni needs to understand tile strength in the game. Your m1 game is crucial important at Oni, more so than any other killer in the game. By the nature of his m2 being an instant down, Oni's power heavily excels in deadzones and having strong m1 game ensures you remove powerful resources from the map quickly to empower your power to clean up afterwards.

As previous post on thread, Oni has a lot of macro management in regards to survivors. Every m1 hit is 40% of your ability, so two m1 hits is 80% of your ability. You need to memorize the paths you walk as Oni as you create blood orb trails around the map in which you need remember so that you can fill remainder of his power gauge. Finding survivors quickly through process of eliminating is very important skill for Oni because he needs keep the momentum flowing. Every second your not in a chase as him is time that survivors can utilize to heal and finish remaining generators.

Getting to his power in timely efficient is only half the battle. Using his ability effectively is just as important. He has 45 second window in his ability. When Oni is his demon form, Survivors that are injured no longer drop blood orbs meaning that the longer Oni is in his ability, the more detrimental it is for him to get his next demon form. Demon form dash has 2.5 second start-up as opposed to blight's 0.5 second on hitting collision and unlike blight, Oni's looking/viewing angle while dashing is far more restricted. Experienced survivors can dead angle Oni's kambo making it far more difficulty to down them while Oni's demon strike requires surgical precision to curve properly around corners during fast speeds without hitting solid objects. Using demon form is race against time to do most damage as possible in shortest time span. This often results in slugging which forces Oni to manage risk vs reward in term of getting hook states vs disrupting survivor team.

As you can see, Oni is very deep and complex character to learn in order to optimize his kit. At the end of the day, why bother learning the complex hulk that is Oni when you can just press blight's ability every 15 seconds and move at ultra-fast speeds with similar levels of chase potential.

So my advice. Learn blight. Do not bother with Oni.

I think in the current meta, Plague has probably taken the 5th slot.

I do not think so. I still have tons of fun playing Oni and get my kill without playing very sweaty. However I have to slug 9/10 games to make something out of my power. Infectious Fright and BBQ are a must to snowball...

Oni is still very rewarding. One single mistake can turn the game around even with 5 generators finished. Survivors seem to have forgotten quit some of his counterplay and get cocky all the time. Oni is brutal in punishing those mistakes and exposing the weak link for blood is the way to go...

Just my personal opinion, nothing to make a definitive rating...