Devs, can you show us the stats for killer pick rates and kill rates on the top MMR?

It is probably not different enough to merit making the chart outside of cleaning up outliers. I would be very interested too, though.

Yeah, I imagine Nurse and Pig are like flipped. But beyond that, I do not have many guesses. I think Spirit is overrated, not sure if people still drone on about her being top 3 or not. Blight, I could see being way up there. Really safe guesses there besides my controversial Spirit take. My personal experience with high mmr is limited to Bubba and Freddy. I could see Leatherface staying about the same, I think Freddy drops like a brick.

The more I think about it, you are right, the list is likely drastically different. I guess this spread was the closest to everyone being 50% so they went with it? Maybe consistency from prior lists? No clue.

honestly IMHO almost eveyone is Top (soft cap) MMR considering how easy it is to get to that level. so what you are going against would and how you are doing is what it is like at top MMR.

Using Nurse as a justification for more stats is pretty weak, since she is the only Killer who is very different from all other Killers.

Even if you include all of this, people would still find reasons to see why the stats are not true.

With the current stats we have, you can at least see that playing Killer is not as bad as people claim it to be.

Interesting, you think the kill rates are "better" at high mmr? I always assumed they would be lower given people like Otz need to play like I do to 4k at those ranks.

For sure killers like Oni, Spirit, Blight, Pinhead, Nurse have high killrate at high mmr. I mean Otz stomps your "high mmr" perkless and with bare hands

But if they do, their kill rate does go over an average of 3, doesn't it?

Considering the rank difference between kill rates under the emblem system was quite considerable, I wouldn't be too surprised if high MMR actually showed higher kill rates. I know people seem convinced that the game is survivor sided, but there's never been any substantiation of that idea beyond the anecdotal or theoretical.

And even if 'playing like you do' is a requirement, that still impacts the overall balance. Only way you could argue for better balance for non-camping/tunnelling/slugging playstyles is if those playstyles were nerfed, and we already know the forums don't want that.

Good point, I always just assume most killer mains write it off as boring, or that you are an awful human being, etc. However, if high mmr killers are committed to the lifestyle, I certainly suspect the kill rates would be respectable. Especially from killers who actually know what they are doing when it comes to playing dirty. No offense to Otz or whatever, but you know, getting all emotional while playing and the "wait and see" attitude really fetter your ability to properly play in an optimal fashion. I am sure he is capable of it, but he just despises doing it which makes it a tad sloppy, in my opinion.

I know I am biased, but I genuinely do not believe removing these playstyles would result in balance. I know people don't want to hear it, but I am nothing special. Survivors literally just throw games for me. Not going to lie. It is the cold hard truth. If I couldn't force them to do that, the competent survivors would eviscerate me. But this is all hypothetical, I suppose we will never truly know!

I don't think basekit BT was confirmed, it was just confirmed that there was no basekit DS at the moment. And BT is a very ineffectual perk, so that wouldn't fix much. The facecamping fix, we'll have to see what they've come up with, but I think the devs went on record to say they aren't doing anything about camping as a whole, just facecamping. And Slugging remains unaddressed.

Pretty sure the devs are content to leave those strategies in.

Oh no, removing those strats would be a huge upset to balance, but as long as killers can employ those tactics, there's no point in balancing around killers that don't use them. Removing them would put the game in a position where it could be balanced, is the point.

Think of it as a similar issue to the solo/swiffer divide, but just the killer variant: The clean/dirty divide.

What I see is the killer experience described by both the top and bottom skill levels negating one another.

50% can be achieved by the most arguable means. This discredits more enjoyable interactions as just unnecessary effort while also reinforcing the negative as the ideal.

Proper hook to death ratio shows slightly more context than just kills.

If sbmm is even; 2k 2 hook Bubba is not on par with a killer that actually wins 6 chases. Unfortunately the data they are balancing with says otherwise.

I'm pretty sure the soft cap is no where near top mmr.

The soft cap would probably be the end of low mmr and the start of mid mmr.

If you are 3000 you will only get matched with 1900 if the queue time has exceeded a certain time.

Or like they said in the q&a when a lobby is suddenly missing a player and they need to fill it in quickly.

Perk band-aids are not a solution, and even less so if they're reliant on the killer's perk loadout.

theoretically, twins are as well. from the stream, we know theyre garbage at low/mid and "absolute monsters" at high

i dont particularly care either way- i wish theyd stop giving us stats so people stop making flawed conclusions from them, honestly- but itd be kinda nifty just to see if there was a difference.