UNFUN KILLERS TO GO AGAINST
Why do people complain about going against a pinhead or a nemesis? But don't complain about nurse or doc. Nurse literally goes through walls and should be the most complained killer in the game. Nemesis and pinhead are just iconic characters and idk why anyone would dislike going against them. Yes nurse takes skill to play but it doesn't matter because she's quite op. But everyone says she isn't played much so she isn't complained about, but pinhead and twins are killers that are played less than nurse but get hated on? I don't understand the logic. I'm not saying nerf her, I'm just saying she's the strongest killer in the game for a reason. Pinhead and nemesis are cool so I personally LOVE going against them and any licensed killer except freddy because his power doesn't fit the character well.
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Because people fall into a comfortable routine running a Myers around the same loop for half an hour or stealthing it out and slamming gens, and really don't like having to do something different.
If you play any of the less conventional killers a lot (Hag, Demo, Pinhead, Artist, Doctor) - you'll see what I mean. So. Many. DCs.
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READ AGAIN I POSTED ON ACCIDENT WHEN I DIDN'T FINISH IT YET
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- idk why people complain about nemesis or pinhead, they're pretty manageable to go against if you adjust your playstyle.
- As to why people don't complain about nurse, the amount of skill required to master nurse is high enough that for me personally, getting steamrolled isn't so bad because I know that Nurse earned it with the time put in.
- People are usually mad about the gameplay if a killer, not the series they represent. For some reason a fair number of Survivors find nemesis to have a lame playstyle, but I'm sure plenty of people were hyped to see RE reps in the game.
- Most of the time the reason people complain about how "broken" a killer is, it's because they just lost a game and need to find something to blame other than their poor play to not face the fact that they lost.
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I mean any killer deserves a kill or win no matter what. We don't see anyone saying survivors don't deserve to escape because they just did gens which takes no skill. Why expect killers to have skill but not survivors?
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I complain about Nurse lol. I'm fine going against Doctor cuz he's just really bad at what he does.
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Nemesis is awesome. Pinhead is fun if and it’s a big if, you have a good team. If you have idiots as teammates then it’s miserable. Just played a game against him and was the only one that lasted in chase. Everyone else couldn’t do anything but I’m the one that got moried. Yay
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- Nurse chases are actually fun and the thrill of dodging blinks and mindgaming a nurse actually makes it fun.
- Twins are annoying to play against because everyone has this mentality that you have to slug and that makes the chases boring and drags the game out.
- Pinhead chases, especially with that engineer fang? or whatever it's called that damages you instead of chaining you are boring.
- Nemesis chases are BS because he just has this stupid whip that has a range that's way too long, can hit over pallets, windows, and any low obstacle, and then you'll randomly have zombies block entire loops on indoor maps. Once you're infected, his chase is too oppressive and boring
- Same applies to trickster. His knives build up laceration so damn quickly and his chases just suck because there's so little you can do.
- Doc, I don't care. My only issue with him is how he ruins any stealth play (which there's already not enough of in the game)
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- Hard agree Nurse is dope
- Idk what you're talking about. "Twins"??? never seen them in my games
- Engineers is kinda boring but playing against skilled Pinheads feel like an entirely different game, in both a good and bad way
- Nemesis suffers quite heavily from the "W" strat, especially if you bring a perk like Overcome, which activates on a tentacle hit(even if it doesn't do damage)
- Trickster is annoying lol
- In my experience I get more then enough stealth gamers in my lobbies I think the stealth in the game currently is just fine thank you
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Add bubba to that list
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Don't get mad - you made a mistake, not me.
To your OP.
- People complain about Nurse. All the time. But the forums consist mostly of bitter veterans who have been playing against Nurse for years. They know how she works and with her omnipresence in higher MMR, are used to her.
- People aren't as accustomed to Pinhead.
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I've seen some people complain about Pinhead's chains, but they are easily countered by opening the box (you even get to hear THE best line in the game, so... come on, guys, open the damn box!). Nemesis I don't know, maybe it's the zombies people don't like? They are kinda silly sometimes, they get stuck on whatever is ahead of them, I've seen one literally walking continuously without actually moving. And Nemesis' tentacle potentially makes him a 3-hit killer, which is kinda nice if you are looping him.
I can't complain about Nurses, I've tried her and it's painful to learn, let alone to master her. If I go against a God Nurse, I'm damn proud I get destroyed because that's one killer that not everyone can use. And baby Nurses are fun too, you can easily loop them most times, but I respect the dedication.
Some people will complain about whatever because it's the DbD forum, you get one "I like this..." thread for every 50 rants and negative comments daily.
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maybe it’s almost like fun is an entirely subjective standard that is irrelevant to balance
Unfun to face IN YOUR OPINION ≠ Unbalanced
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Pinhead has highest kill ratio. Is it fun knowing in advance that you are at a disadvantage?
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For me I HATE going against Twins and Trickster, Pinhead and Artist also quite annoying too. Starting to get sick of Blight as I see him all the time and every damn one is running Alchemist Ring. Not a big fan of Nemesis either but I will take him every time over Twins or Trickster.
I am always happiest when I see Bubba or other M1 killers as for survivor looping or smart LOS mind game plays (as with PP head or Nurse) are what I enjoy most. This makes Artist very boring for me personally as it encourages W key gaming - no skill boring play.
I like Nurse or Dr but I understand why others don't and I also don't mind Hag but others hate her.
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Don't worry, at the rate this is going the last killer anyone will be able to complain going against is the lobby simulator.
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Huntress throws hatchets over windows and pallets too but nemesis is somehow different? Now imagine a nurse that goes through walls and pallets?
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There are no unfun killers only unfun players.
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Mfs will say nurse with double recharge is fine then ask for alchemist ring nerfs
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Nemmy is utterly boring because every chase is the same, loop till he catches up and then he either noodles you or the pallet(or you over the pallet).
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Because nemmy has much less windup and more speed while winding up making it a lose lose in a lot of scenarios
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Both are dumb.
I have no idea why they bothered to give the nurse charges, but give her addons to get them back faster.
Also have no idea how alchy ring has been this way for so long. But then we don't even give clown that slight addon buff he had on the ptb lmao.
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Because "unfun" Killers are ones who require something other than Hold W, or M1 Simulator. They force players to do something they aren't comfortable doing, and which leaves them less time to loop or slam gens.
I'm not a very good Killer, I sat in middle ranks on the old system for a reason, but I get a large amount of DCs when I play Pinhead or the Hag in comparison to when I play Huntress or Trapper. People don't want to adapt, claiming it's not fun for them, when in reality they just don't want to do something different. Then they'll come here and complain that all they face are Nurse and Blight.
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Hag is usually boring because you're just playing a camping simulator, especially if you end up in basement.
The hag will spend the first 20-30 seconds of your hook time just literally placing traps everywhere. Then even with all their traps, they'll proxy camp and patrol. Then the 5% of hag players that actually leave the area have Make Your Choice so you either try to run out and get downed when they teleport or you crouch walk and they come back to tunnel and camp and you get downed anyway.
The Jumpstart are fun sometimes but the gameplay is a snooze fest once some unlucky bastard gets caught
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Both should go 🏃
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Yeah. Camping Hags are boring AF, although you can get some spicy gameplay, and the occasional DC or salty post-game if you can rescue her victim and escape. Much, much prefer to go against actual good Hags who web up and turn the game into an action horror flick.
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The unholy trinity are Blight, Wraith, and Spirit. They could be deleted from the game and I'd be happy.
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idk man, people are allowed to dislike things, it's really weird how this community tries to police what people can and can't dislike.
and the first reply is obviously "well survivors love having an easy time yada yada yada", nah man, couldn't just be that people dislike playing against certain killers, it would be pretty abnormal for everyone to like everything in the game, the same way killers can dislike playing against certain perks etc.
Certain killers don't even like playing against specific survivors in the game, and they're only skins.
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You forgot blight ;(
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You must be new.
Nurse was introduced to counter infinites back in the day. Real infinites too, not the soft infinites that killers whine about nowadays when they get owned.
Killers continued to complain so (over time) infinites were removed. Nurse for the LONGEST time remained ridiculously OP, to the extent that (back in the day when you could check). If you checked it was a nurse main you were playing against, you just played for hatch, because you were never going to make 5 gennies.
This persisted for the longest time. Even removing the killer user check so survivors couldn't game it. It changed nothing, then finally YEARS after nurse being a broken killer did the get around to nerfing nurse to any meaningful level.
There's more OP killers than nurse nowadays.
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Blight is nowhere near an easy time but he is fun to play against. Way more fun that the camping gods known as bubba and hag. And yes I am scared of fengs when I play killer
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Basé, adrénaline Vial better than ring anyways now so i’m cool with that
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Honestly just delete all his addons and start over
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Noppers
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Tell me you haven't played Nurse without telling me you haven't played Nurse.
Nurse is my main killer... she's buggy as hell and her blinks are hella hard to place. But also knowing how she works, what her weaknesses, etc are, also allows for me to play against her because I know the situations I can run into that's hard for Nurse players to counter.
"Know thy enemy" so to speak...
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Again, nurse ignores pallets. Pinhead and nemesis have to deal with pallets and also do not go through walls. With nurse you just hold w and use LOS. If you have fun going against a nurse even though you get clapped instantly in a chase with not much you can do, maybe use that mindset on every other killer. Oh you got downed by pinhead? Well awesome, plus he's from hellraiser so even more awesome, know what I mean? Nemesis brings zombies into the game and that's fun and cool to see. Also why do you expect killers to take skill but not survivors? I mean all my games I go against good survivors ( not every game obviously) and they all have meta perks, dead hard to a pallet and cannot do much about it. When they do gens hella fast and escape I don't say they didn't deserve to escape just because holding a button to do a gen takes no skill. Basically if you have the mindset of not getting upset when you get clapped by a nurse even though she goes through walls and ignores pallets, windows and there's not much you can do even if you use LOS, maybe against other killers you shouldn't be as upset since atleast they're not as strong as nurse and can't teleport through walls.
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I do play her and she's hard. I'm not good at her but understand she's hard. Does not matter though because she goes through walls and is hella strong lol.
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Is it the killers fault for camping or the player camping?
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I don't find Nemesis a problem but pinhead I only find annoying when I have bad teammates.
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Did you see the kill statistics DBD posted a few days ago on social media? Nurse had the lowest kill percentage by far (~40%).
When you say that "it doesn't matter" that Nurse has a high skill ceiling, the truth is that good Nurses are actually fairly uncommon, and Nurses who are so experienced that they can take full advantage of her powers to dominate every game are extremely rare. The high skill ceiling does matter, because almost nobody can play her well enough to be the unstoppable superkiller she's become in the DBD player mass psyche.
When I play survivor, I'm never really unhappy to come across a Nurse. The ones who are good only manage to impress me.
Does Demo belong on that list? I could go against a Demo drunk, stoned, and blindfolded. I always breathe a sigh of relief if I come up against one. (Never play him, though.)
Nemesis needs a hitbox buff so badly. His tentacle range is actually terrible unless you've made it to at least T2, and even then, good luck hitting anything, especially if you're playing on Stadia with a controller. Maybe once DBD gets EAC Linux support and I take the time to learn how to use mouse and keyboard, I'll change my mind, but.
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Yeah, you're focusing on her strengths. Now tell me her weaknesses. Once you've figured that out... exploit them!
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So you like easy games is what you’re saying?
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Or the guy just doesn't like Nurse?
I guess killers that don't like meta perks from survivors just want easy games, right? You're not allowed to dislike anything if you're a survivor because you "just want easy games" apparently, lol.
You have to now say you like every single survivor perk or it's obvious that you just want easy games.
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No it's because Nurse breaks the game design. Survivors only defense against killers are pallets and windows and she completely counters both of them.
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You clearly didn’t read the second sentence.
I get that but what’s with you saying you like Doc because he’s “bad at what he does”?
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It comes from a fact of Nurse being a high level killer and taking skill. She is OP, but to reach that level of op is extremely hard and it leads to most nurses just being very good at most, meaning chases are extremely interactive for both sides. It isn't just hold w drop pallet, you have to show your skill. As a pinhead main (and nemesis enjoyer to a degree) it makes quite sense why they aren't enjoyed. Gameplay is fairly boring and uninteractive, and each chase devolves to the same thing. Predrop pallet, run away. They aren't OP, but in chase their entire power is being heavily oppressive. It is why MOST new killers are complained about, they are just very similar in power and gameplay and it gets stale. Nemesis and Pinhead are both sweet, I've been a fan of both series for a while and I'm super happy they got in, but Nemesis could've been so much cooler (but I do think pinhead is great).
This is also the second post I've seen you compare Doctor to Nurse lmaoo why? In terms of power, he is like low B tier or even high C tier lmaoo what is this? Not to mention the fact that doctor IS hated, like actively as one of the more hated killers.
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Nemesis is fun as heck to go against imo. His power doesn't make him 'unloopable' just very very strong at pallets and the zombies are random fun!
Now this is from the perspective of a killer main who rarely plays survivor.
Anyway I don't have the effing PATIENCE to DC in this game. Especically after waiting an agonozing survivor que time, not to mention it will be about another miniute or two before you're actully in the game, then HOW are you going to play for a few minutes.... only to DC get 0BP and double de-pip so its that much harder to get a bp reword on the 13'th and now you have to wait 5 minutes only to be allowed to wait even longer in the que again and before you know it you've been playing 30 or 40 minutes with not a single BP to show for it!
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Because he's not annoying to go against if he's a bad killer personally. I don't think Nemesis is bad and I still like going against him, it's not my only metric.
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