Homophobic slurs aren’t bannable?!!

Fenrir said:

nøbødy said:

Blueberry said:

@tt_ivi_99 said:
Saying someone is gay is not bad, its the same as saying a black person is black or a lesbian is lesbian.
O course the people who say that dont mean It in that way but devs cant do anyting if the context is not clearly verbal abuse (which would be calling you something like [bad word] gay, instead of just gay).
There has to be explicit verbal abuse in order to ban someone.

This ^ basically.

Like being offended for calling the grass green. If someone calling you gay is offensive to you, then you are believing there is a negative connotation in being gay. You don't like gay people? That's pretty homophobic in itself. Pointing out something isn't offensive, stop getting offended so easily. Snowflakes everywhere.

He's talking about being called a f*g. That kind of homophobic slur.

And yet no bans

@DarkWo1f997 said:
@Orion I don’t mean this in a rude or harsh way, but I don’t think your political rant has a place on the forum for an asymmetrical horror game in my humble opinion. It could cause more problems and fighting, politics divide people pretty harshly, and I think you’re better than that, while trash talking is definitely a problem, it’s ALWAYS been a problem since online gaming was first introduced, having thick skin is a self help way of being mature and moving on instead of giving salty players the time of day to make you the subject of their temper tantrum.

That’s all I’m trying to say, I’m not saying something shouldn’t be done, but I also think it’s a solution that anyone can get peace of mind from if they just don’t give confrontational individuals the attention they want to use against you. Just because someone else doesn’t have self control, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t as well. 

I’m not implying that this problem should be ignored, but I also don’t think toxicity is the worst of this game’s problems right now. 

Dude, my "rant"? I posted, like, two comments on Republicans - after someone else brought up politics - both of which put together were shorter than the first paragraph of your comment here.

@Gorgonia said:
While I never felt oppressed nor abused in any way because of my sexuality, the whole lgbtqxxx community has suffered greatly and we tend to be over sensitive when it comes to situations where being gay is used as an insult or as something derogatory or negative.

No offense, but speak for yourself. I just want ######### to be held accountable for their actions.

@Gorgonia said:
I never said they shouldn’t? I’m talking about when they use gay as in “man, that’s gay” (?
That doesn’t make people ######### unless they go overboard about it knowing it can alter someone else’s peace of mind.

I never said you never said they shouldn't. I said that you should speak for yourself instead of projecting, in your words, your "over sensitive" nature to the entire LGBT community.

@ChesterTheMolester said:
Orion, you did blow the topic, don't get me wrong but the alt right is what, 50k members worldwide, all in middle age or above members, take a look at them, they don't even know what Steam is.

The ones using such language are most likely just kids. And since you don't know them its better to apply Hanlons razor and say that these are raised by parents that are, statistically speaking, no full blown neo nazis and simply do not watch what their kids are doing on the internet, which is how they got involved in DBD in the first place (look at Noob3's and you know who's comment section).

Im not accusing you yet of pushing an agenda but you did go full overboard in an almost hysterical way.

I made one comment on the subject of Neo Nazis in this thread. Why are you blowing it out of proportion?

Orion said:

@Gorgonia said:
I never said they shouldn’t? I’m talking about when they use gay as in “man, that’s gay” (?
That doesn’t make people ######### unless they go overboard about it knowing it can alter someone else’s peace of mind.

I never said you never said they shouldn't. I said that you should speak for yourself instead of projecting, in your words, your "over sensitive" nature to the entire LGBT community.

George_Soros said:

@Gorgonia said:
You guys should kiss. Hard. Like with tongue and everything. 

That's gay.

However, I'm willing to do it, if only to prove how open minded I am. @ChesterTheMolester , are you game?

@ChesterTheMolester said:
You did that its a result of neo nazi normalisation, i assume most of them never even heard of /pol/ nor know a neonazi, not to mention being nearly unable to understand the philosophy of national socialism.

No, I said Neo Nazis were trying to normalize it.

ChesterTheMolester said:

Gorgonia said:

Orion said:

@Gorgonia said:
I never said they shouldn’t? I’m talking about when they use gay as in “man, that’s gay” (?
That doesn’t make people ######### unless they go overboard about it knowing it can alter someone else’s peace of mind.

I never said you never said they shouldn't. I said that you should speak for yourself instead of projecting, in your words, your "over sensitive" nature to the entire LGBT community.

I think I mentioned I never felt oppressed due to my sexuality? I’m not over sensitive myself but many of my friends are and sometimes they react badly towards unintended offenses or jokes coming from people that ignore what being gay is and how gay people feel when their sexuality/orientation is used as a joke. Not justifying them, just saying that before we get mad we need to try and educate those people.

Sorry but you contradict yourself there, you say its unintended that means there is no offense given, yet claim you don't justify that as if there was a crime.

Given that its unintended, they may need to learn to differentiate between the two, because emotions don't justify actions, no matter if you are gay or misinterpreted a joke. They are after all responsible for their own behavior. 

@Gorgonia said:
On the other hand, many do. We probably live in different circumstances/societies/places. While many don’t care, many do.

Indeed. Our point is that you shouldn't project that to the entire LGBT community.

@Gorgonia said:

@Orion said:

@Gorgonia said:
On the other hand, many do. We probably live in different circumstances/societies/places. While many don’t care, many do.

Indeed. Our point is that you shouldn't project that to the entire LGBT community.

“While I never felt oppressed nor abused in any way because of my sexuality, the whole lgbtqxxx community has suffered greatly and some tend to be over sensitive when it comes to situations where being gay is used as an insult or as something derogatory or negative.”

Is that better now? Tbh, I never felt like I speak for the whole community, forgive my bad wording \o/

Yes, that's better.

W> @ChesterTheMolester said:

Gorgonia said:

ChesterTheMolester said:

Gorgonia said:

Orion said:

@Gorgonia said:

I never said they shouldn’t? I’m talking about when they use gay as in “man, that’s gay” (?

That doesn’t make people ######### unless they go overboard about it knowing it can alter someone else’s peace of mind.

I never said you never said they shouldn't. I said that you should speak for yourself instead of projecting, in your words, your "over sensitive" nature to the entire LGBT community.

I think I mentioned I never felt oppressed due to my sexuality? I’m not over sensitive myself but many of my friends are and sometimes they react badly towards unintended offenses or jokes coming from people that ignore what being gay is and how gay people feel when their sexuality/orientation is used as a joke. Not justifying them, just saying that before we get mad we need to try and educate those people.

Sorry but you contradict yourself there, you say its unintended that means there is no offense given, yet claim you don't justify that as if there was a crime.

Given that its unintended, they may need to learn to differentiate between the two, because emotions don't justify actions, no matter if you are gay or misinterpreted a joke. They are after all responsible for their own behavior. 

I’m saying that I’m not justifying the joke or the offense based on their ignorance or lack of intention. How is that contradictory? And how is an unintended action with a negative consequence not an offense? Negligence does have a consequence, legally.
Correct me if I read your response incorrectly

Im not talking legal term, and i haven't said there was no offense, there was no offense GIVEN. Huge distinction. If someone takes offense and reacts "badly", and the result is something unethical, then its all on the one who has taken the offense , in this case the gay. Saying that just because someone is LGBT he is not in control over his emotion is not only ridiculous but attacks their agency in return.

Okay, I think I know where the confusion is.

Someone feels offended by a joke and gets mad. Offender doesn’t know he is provoking this.
I said I don’t justify the offender because of his negligence, I also said that instead of getting mad at them I would rather educate them.

How is educating condescending? Really? You educate customers, you educate people on certain topics, say drugs, safe sex practices. You educate people when you give information on a topic that is usually not discussed. It is not a matter of feeling you know better, it’s a matter of making information available to others whether they agree or not with the topic.

@sadmuffins13 said:
ChesterTheMolester said:

sadmuffins13 said:

Gorgonia said:

W> @ChesterTheMolester said:

Gorgonia said:u

ChesterTheMolester said:



Gorgonia said:



Orion said:

@Gorgonia said:

I never said they shouldn’t? I’m talking about when they use gay as in “man, that’s gay” (?

That doesn’t make people ######### unless they go overboard about it knowing it can alter someone else’s peace of mind.



I never said you never said they shouldn't. I said that you should speak for yourself instead of projecting, in your words, your "over sensitive" nature to the entire LGBT community.



I think I mentioned I never felt oppressed due to my sexuality? I’m not over sensitive myself but many of my friends are and sometimes they react badly towards unintended offenses or jokes coming from people that ignore what being gay is and how gay people feel when their sexuality/orientation is used as a joke. Not justifying them, just saying that before we get mad we need to try and educate those people.

Sorry but you contradict yourself there, you say its unintended that means there is no offense given, yet claim you don't justify that as if there was a crime.

Given that its unintended, they may need to learn to differentiate between the two, because emotions don't justify actions, no matter if you are gay or misinterpreted a joke. They are after all responsible for their own behavior. 

I’m saying that I’m not justifying the joke or the offense based on their ignorance or lack of intention. How is that contradictory? And how is an unintended action with a negative consequence not an offense? Negligence does have a consequence, legally.

Correct me if I read your response incorrectly

Im not talking legal term, and i haven't said there was no offense, there was no offense GIVEN. Huge distinction. If someone takes offense and reacts "badly", and the result is something unethical, then its all on the one who has taken the offense , in this case the gay. Saying that just because someone is LGBT he is not in control over his emotion is not only ridiculous but attacks their agency in return.

Okay, I think I know where the confusion is.

Someone feels offended by a joke and gets mad. Offender doesn’t know he is provoking this.

I said I don’t justify the offender because of his negligence, I also said that instead of getting mad at them I would rather educate them.

Unfortunately some people dont want to be educated. They are close minded an ignorant. Until they go through a similiar situation it means nothing to them. People would rather provoke and get a rise out of somebody then actually talk. An i personally don't have time to waste on it. An what do you mean joke??? Because i dont see how its funny. Its more like someone is taking a word and turning it into a negative. A word people use to idetify themselves with. So now am i a stupid gay...? Hahaha no.... How about we educate these people by throwing them a dictionary?

Another appeal to emotion here.
And what i've said applies to you too, just because you don't think its funny does not mean they are close minded and ignorant, though im pretty sure you will assume it, which would speak more about your misanthropic mindset than it does about them.

And btw being ignorant is different from being an edge lord. 

 Seriously trying to justify something that is wrong? If something bothers me i will speak up. Its not being sensitive its called speaking my mind. Ive delt with people like you. An im done entertaining you. 

No wrongs are justifiable. We can change the approach depending on the circumstance. You should never stop speaking your mind, that’s how changes happen. The way you speak your mind is what defines it all though. Some people do not understand reason and won’t stop being #########, some others never had the chance nor the challenge to change. I make war with the former (not literally). I sit down and share a coffee with the latter.

ChesterTheMolester said:

sadmuffins13 said:

ChesterTheMolester said:

sadmuffins13 said:

Gorgonia said:

W> @ChesterTheMolester said:

Gorgonia said:u

ChesterTheMolester said:

Gorgonia said:

Orion said:

@Gorgonia said:

I never said they shouldn’t? I’m talking about when they use gay as in “man, that’s gay” (?

That doesn’t make people ######### unless they go overboard about it knowing it can alter someone else’s peace of mind.

I never said you never said they shouldn't. I said that you should speak for yourself instead of projecting, in your words, your "over sensitive" nature to the entire LGBT community.

I think I mentioned I never felt oppressed due to my sexuality? I’m not over sensitive myself but many of my friends are and sometimes they react badly towards unintended offenses or jokes coming from people that ignore what being gay is and how gay people feel when their sexuality/orientation is used as a joke. Not justifying them, just saying that before we get mad we need to try and educate those people.

Sorry but you contradict yourself there, you say its unintended that means there is no offense given, yet claim you don't justify that as if there was a crime.

Given that its unintended, they may need to learn to differentiate between the two, because emotions don't justify actions, no matter if you are gay or misinterpreted a joke. They are after all responsible for their own behavior. 

I’m saying that I’m not justifying the joke or the offense based on their ignorance or lack of intention. How is that contradictory? And how is an unintended action with a negative consequence not an offense? Negligence does have a consequence, legally.
Correct me if I read your response incorrectly

Im not talking legal term, and i haven't said there was no offense, there was no offense GIVEN. Huge distinction. If someone takes offense and reacts "badly", and the result is something unethical, then its all on the one who has taken the offense , in this case the gay. Saying that just because someone is LGBT he is not in control over his emotion is not only ridiculous but attacks their agency in return.

Okay, I think I know where the confusion is.

Someone feels offended by a joke and gets mad. Offender doesn’t know he is provoking this.
I said I don’t justify the offender because of his negligence, I also said that instead of getting mad at them I would rather educate them.

Unfortunately some people dont want to be educated. They are close minded an ignorant. Until they go through a similiar situation it means nothing to them. People would rather provoke and get a rise out of somebody then actually talk. An i personally don't have time to waste on it. An what do you mean joke??? Because i dont see how its funny. Its more like someone is taking a word and turning it into a negative. A word people use to idetify themselves with. So now am i a stupid gay...? Hahaha no.... How about we educate these people by throwing them a dictionary?

Another appeal to emotion here.
And what i've said applies to you too, just because you don't think its funny does not mean they are close minded and ignorant, though im pretty sure you will assume it, which would speak more about your misanthropic mindset than it does about them.

And btw being ignorant is different from being an edge lord. 

 Seriously trying to justify something that is wrong? If something bothers me i will speak up. Its not being sensitive its called speaking my mind. Ive delt with people like you. An im done entertaining you. 

Congratulations, you failed to read. 
There is no thing as universal wrong when it comes to jokes, its highly context related, especially regarding who the audience of the joke is. And if you saw the thread in entirety then you'd know that i said that actual homophobic attacks should be banned so get out of here if you don't even know what the conversation you mixed yourself in is about.

George_Soros said:

@sadmuffins13 said:
Gorgonia said:

W> @ChesterTheMolester said:

Gorgonia said:u

ChesterTheMolester said:



Gorgonia said:



Orion said:

@Gorgonia said:

I never said they shouldn’t? I’m talking about when they use gay as in “man, that’s gay” (?

That doesn’t make people ######### unless they go overboard about it knowing it can alter someone else’s peace of mind.



I never said you never said they shouldn't. I said that you should speak for yourself instead of projecting, in your words, your "over sensitive" nature to the entire LGBT community.



I think I mentioned I never felt oppressed due to my sexuality? I’m not over sensitive myself but many of my friends are and sometimes they react badly towards unintended offenses or jokes coming from people that ignore what being gay is and how gay people feel when their sexuality/orientation is used as a joke. Not justifying them, just saying that before we get mad we need to try and educate those people.

Sorry but you contradict yourself there, you say its unintended that means there is no offense given, yet claim you don't justify that as if there was a crime.

Given that its unintended, they may need to learn to differentiate between the two, because emotions don't justify actions, no matter if you are gay or misinterpreted a joke. They are after all responsible for their own behavior. 

I’m saying that I’m not justifying the joke or the offense based on their ignorance or lack of intention. How is that contradictory? And how is an unintended action with a negative consequence not an offense? Negligence does have a consequence, legally.

Correct me if I read your response incorrectly

Im not talking legal term, and i haven't said there was no offense, there was no offense GIVEN. Huge distinction. If someone takes offense and reacts "badly", and the result is something unethical, then its all on the one who has taken the offense , in this case the gay. Saying that just because someone is LGBT he is not in control over his emotion is not only ridiculous but attacks their agency in return.

Okay, I think I know where the confusion is.

Someone feels offended by a joke and gets mad. Offender doesn’t know he is provoking this.

I said I don’t justify the offender because of his negligence, I also said that instead of getting mad at them I would rather educate them.

Unfortunately some people dont want to be educated. They are close minded an ignorant. Until they go through a similiar situation it means nothing to them. People would rather provoke and get a rise out of somebody then actually talk. An i personally don't have time to waste on it. An what do you mean joke??? Because i dont see how its funny. Its more like someone is taking a word and turning it into a negative. A word people use to idetify themselves with. So now am i a stupid gay...? Hahaha no.... How about we educate these people by throwing them a dictionary?

And don't forget, "educate" sounds rather condescending. It suggests you assume you know better. What if the offender genuinely dislikes a certain type or group of people? Say, gay people, just to stick to the "homophobic" topic. It's quite common that straight people feel deeply disgusted by homosexual activities. Especially men kissing. (Which is gross btw).

How do you propose to "educate" them, considering that, one: it's more of an instinct based reaction, than a clearly articulated moral standpoint. Two: it's VERY difficult and indeed rude to assume, prior to any dialogue, that you know better than the other, that you have the moral high ground? (This question mostly goes to you, @Gorgonia )

There actually are valid arguments that support the view that, say, homosexuality is, to some extent, a morally questionable choice. A lot can be said AGAINST this view as well, and no one should force you to accept any of it. But trying to "educate" someone whose views you don't even know can only come across as smug and it probably kills any chance of reasonable dialogue.