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Teams like ORACLE. Why are there competitive teams in this game?
I watched a few Oracle matches. After it was said and done, I don't get the hype.
Yeah there good, but these guys as well as other teams aren't playing on some whole other level that competent survivors aren't already doing.
I've played against competent teams many times, and most players play like this and it just strikes up the question as to why they play this game like it actually a real competition.
It's not.
I watch them use their second chance perks to make it to windows and pallets, and help each other heal using speed healing perks, or medkits.
The maps are designed to help survivors win. As long as the 4 survivors are gen focused, understand the map layouts, and how to handle each killers power they will always get the gens done.
It takes good understanding of the game, more than skill. There's no ultimate skill level a survivor can get to over someone else. In the end it's about knowing the maps, knowing the resources given, and an understanding on how to effectively loop a pallet and use windows at jungle gyms long enough for gens to go.
It takes some skill, but it's capped. It's mostly awareness of the crap around you but I hear people say they play in a way that's above and beyond others.
Not really. They just know how to loop and use the million pallets like they should.
So why is this a competition? The killer will always be outmatched, and out numbered. It's always the killer that has worse odds against the other 4 players.
A real competition is both sides having a equal chance, and the winner is the more skilled player.
Dead by daylight isn't like that. It's designed for 4 people to work together to get out. And they will, every time using the resources that the devs give on these maps.
I just don't understand the hype of these tournaments. Doesn't make sense to me.
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Comp DBD is a total snoozefest in general.
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DbD comp scene is all about how nasty and scary killers can be I think.
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It actually shows the opposite. If anything, putting 4 competent players against even the best killer only shows just how hard the killers really have it. It shows how much killers struggle against all those perks that in my opinion unfairly aid them and give them many chances even though they lose at that chase.
I watched a competent killer 1k a match as pre nerfed wraith when he still had the built in windstorm boost, and 0k against them as twins and spirit.
The killer lost bc they kept helping eachother. Without the aid from their friends they wouldn't have made it out. It was the dead hard, borrowed time, and speed healing that did it.
Not the skill.
That's why I'm so confused why they say it's a competition. No offense to oracle, there good players.... but... I mean... it's just the typical stuff we see everyday from alot of others using their perks to aid them and teamwork that coms and swfs bring to the game
The killer cannot simply compete against all those stacked bonuses survivors get.
It's physically impossible. That's the design to the game.
Killers bank on mistakes for wins. And competent players make less of those mistakes.
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Yeah it's ridiculous and cringe. This game takes no skill, aim or reaction
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It takes good understanding of the game, more than skill. There's no ultimate skill level a survivor can get to over someone else. In the end it's about knowing the maps, knowing the resources given, and an understanding on how to effectively loop a pallet and use windows at jungle gyms long enough for gens to go.
I don't watch tournaments but to be fair gaining game knowledge and understanding the best ways to do things in all situations is definitely a skill. It's not a twitch reflex type skill, but a strategic and tactical one. I don't know how high the skill ceiling is on the game or how much better tournament players are than people who just play as survivor a lot, but there's definitely a wide range of skill levels of survivors that I encounter. And despite all the complaints on the forums about balance issues, at the end of the day DbD is very skill sensitive in that when one side makes fewer mistakes than the other the better side wins. Imbalances in perks and such make a difference when the killer and survivors are all about on par with each other, but when the killer is noticeably better or worse than the survivors that's almost always the deciding factor.
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Well not saying it shows how they are strong, but more like how top of top can try to defeat absolute odds and somewhat deal with it.
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Because everyone thinks they deserve a medal for something.
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There's a Competitive DbD sub-group who have their own bevvy of survivor limitations and a whole host of scoring rules. OhTofu is co-host on one of their tournaments currently.
While there are some limits for the most powerful killers (one or two perks you can't use), the sheer number of survivor perks and items that have to be banned for virtually any non-nurse, non-blight killer is absurd. The game is 100% NOT built for competition, and any Dev attempt at baking one in will have to severely limit SWF in a way that they adamantly refuse to do.
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I guarantee that you have never played against survivors approaching Oracle's level in a public match (queuing up for a regular match). I played killer and survivor competitively for a couple years and I can count on one hand the number of times survivors in regular matches came close to the level of comp team coordination and speed. I've played against Oracle. Normal survivors aren't doing that.
Competitive teams exist to play competitively in leagues and tournaments.
Killers actually do quite well in said competitions.
The point of competitive DbD is literally to bring as much balance to the game as possible and optimize it within that framework. There are perk/map/add on restrictions for both sides. The RNG elements are minimized as much as possible.
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There's no other answer than ,,they just like it." It's just not for everyone and that's ok.
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Well for most rule sets it's more trying to make the game as balanced as it can be. Which I guess it can be cause if you look back at the Best of the Best tournament fingergunz destroyed oracle as nurse.
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cause people enjoy playing this game competitively
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People are good at the game and want something more? Sure I find comp dbd boring to watch but I would never tell other people what is fun for them and what is not. Since I have no idea what others like and dislike.
Pretty much typical dbd forums post ngl
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Its not boring to watch, it's just the game play is the same as any competent 4man. The only difference is the coordination that make them win quicker but when it comes to evading the killers it's the same.
The skill seems to come from the coordination more than killer evading during chasing.
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i don't really get it but as long as they keep that stuff in kyf and their own tournaments i don't really care either
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I think every PvP game suffers from trying to turn it into an e-sport.
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Some people still think you can drag any game into e-sport scene. Even if it is as rng-based as DbD.
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