Is AFK pig Gameplay intended?
Is it intended that Pig's would take a 1 in 16 shot at glory by using "Video Tape" & Ruleset #2" and then crouching by a box? I think the answer is yes. And if so I am a huge fan. Here is an example of a 4k Mori captured today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWxTssEvjRg
What is your opinion?
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You guys are gonna get the addon nerfed aren't ya 😓
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I guess technically it's "not participating in normal gameplay" so it should be bannable, but lol, BHVR banning someone.
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I've seen videos and I like it cause it's like Saw. "Live or die, make your choice." 50/50 pig seems true to character and source material.
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They are not AFK, most only pretend.
It may be dumb, but it seem to work and is kinda funny.
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This is what most likely might happen if too many people do stuff like that. Ruining it for every other Pig-Player who just wants to use decent Add-Ons.
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It would probably be better to allow survivors to try a box that they have already searched if they have searched all but one. The addon can stay as is, but it won't be abusable.
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It's hilarious but is a bannable offense. This is no different than body blocking someone before ECG, which was confirmed by devs in this forums to be worthy of a ban. Survivors cannot progress the game or the traps will activate and cannot remove them either.
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As i remeber they said that it is not if it is in EGC. Because there it is clear that the killer want to block a surv in order to kill him.
If you just block somebody in game and nobody can do anything, then yes.
Oh wait - you wrote before EGC. But in this case you can secure a kill with it. It is like camping a box and down a surv when he comes - just mor obvious.
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I like the idea of the add-on, and actually advocated for it prior to it being in the game. It’s just like the movies. But we need it tweaked that Pig doesn’t see box auras. And if the game detects she is too close to a box, the game allows a survivor to re-search a nearby box instead. Problem of abuse solved.
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Or IDK a Dev could reply and say its intended gameplay. I am a bit surprised so many people are acting like this is some kind of actual game play abuse. Guys this is a party game, you are supposed to have fun. You act like there is some kind of ELO present, this isn't a game of Hockey.
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Most survivors get their fun in chases, not being killed with no counterplay to an inactive killer.
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I been playing a lot of DBD lately. It seems to me a lot are getting fun using the wiggle build. Squid Pro Roe. Is it suddenly a problem the killer has a fun build? I mean it isn't like the game has been skewed in a way that only benefits 80% of the participants in the game ... oh wait. Again I see no problem with this Pig game play, but if the Dev's say its wrong I would stop.
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Even with an active trap, you can still escape through the hatch. So it's actually still not bannable. It's not stopping the match from ending.
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It's as much securing a kill as body-blocking someone for the whole match. Survivors a put in a deadlock: they cannot progress the game if they wish to escape. And until we get Dev confirmation of this scenario, you might be risking your account.
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Hatch won't spawn unless there is only one survivor in the match. The video clearly shows 4.
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Can I instead suggest getting it re-worked into a better add-on?
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And only 1 box is camped... Leaving 3 survivors to complete gens. It's not taking the game hostage in any way. It's more akin to tunnelling one survivor out. But it's more chance and less personal.
If all 4 keys are in one box... That's just bad luck but also means that there is a chance NO keys are in that box
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Lots of people roleplay. Lots of people have done this build. I seriously doubt a professional company would ban someone for asking a question. So let's say I have a lot of faith in BHVR.
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I think the easiest thing would be just to code it so at least one survivor has a different box than another survivor. It's totally a strategy to mine salt but there's only a 1/16 chance of it working and a much higher chance you just threw the game so I don't see it being high priority.
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Depends on how many Traps need that one specific box to be freed. Multiple Traps could theoretically need the same box to be freed.
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I edited. It does also mean theoretically no survivors could need that specific box. It does make the match seem very saw-esque
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If all four keys are in the same Box, then the game is at a complete stalemate. That's not Saw-like at all.
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You must have missed the Part where Amanda betrays John =)
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I don't remember reading about the part in the movie where both Jigsaw and the Survivors are caught in a game of chicken for an indefinite amount of time.
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In that case your in luck! I have a copy somewhere ...
"It was then Jon Doe #1 & Jane Doe #2 realized they would have to do a gen and hope the voice on the video tap was the key to salvation. As the gen popped panic ensued and a wild scramble to unlock the bear trap began. It was no holds barred winner takes all. As the team crossed the threshold into the shack all became clear. Amanda was sitting in front of the last box gently caressing John. The author of their redemption turned his sad gaze upon them and stated in a magnanimous manner "don't let this man distract you from the fact that in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 feet through an announcer's table." And they all lived happily ever after because this was just a movie. Jane Doe was happily eaten by a Demogorgon. Jon Doe became a detective and found out what was in the box. Amanda discovered John wasn't the real Jigsaw afterall it was his twin brother and after a passionate romance they continued the great work together. The End".
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Why would they do the gen if doing so guarantees their death?
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Because they are paid actors. Script says do a gen they do it. Also the voice on the tape told them to.
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I mean, if there is two person with a trap, and gate is powered... just make your choice? one of them can survive.
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I think the add-on is fine but the devs may want to make it possible to use the Jigsaw boxes from the sides like you can with gens.
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I mean... Amanda's whole deal was making lose-lose situations rather than giving people a chance at all. It's actually kinda perfect and why they picked Amanda for DBD when Jigsaw's personality isn't exactly a good fit.
For the record though:
You're not being "held hostage" because you can't progress the game WITHOUT LOSING. It's not being able to progress a game AT ALL that's a bannable offense. If they want out, they do the gens and die.
Otherwise every successful 3 gen strategy would be hostage holding by definition.
Essentially: if a player can't end the game without DISONNECTING, that's hostage holding. Everything else... ain't.
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I think the root of the problem isn't that the Pig can block boxes
It's that survivors cannot leave with an active bear-trap on their head. Perhaps this is what needs to be looked at, instead of the addon/playstyle it's being used for
IMO that's the big underlying problem here. I'm not saying nerf pig, I'm saying perhaps problems like this arise because you can be put in situations where you have no recourse - you can't punish the killer for not playing the game by leaving
Here's my solution
Addon and bodyblocking stays
The tape addon has a downside added that survivors can escape while wearing active RBTS.
Boom, sorted - The addon will function exactly the same as it does now by slowing the early game down and it also addresses this problem. If people think it's enough of a reason to be solved I mean.
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Definitely not, that is the most unique part of her trap and shouldn't change.
Just remove bodyblocking because that is better if you gonna do that.
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Then she'll just attack you as you're trying to solve it. So that won't work.
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And that’s fine, she’s not literally afk then.
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No, bodyblocking should remain as a strat - because you can do it tactically. The same way you can bodyblock prepared exit gate switches
And yes, I agree not escaping with an active RBT should stay on NORMAL pig, but with the video tape addon perhaps that should be disabled as a solution to the problems being discussed in this thread
I'm not saying the change should be made, it's a suggestion based on my perspective of the issue. I don't really care myself bc seeing pig players do this is hilarious. Like old facecamping bubba-tier hilarious.
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I am pretty sure that this kinda game play wasn't intended, but player will always come up with creative solutions and applications, like crouching behind a killer after a pickup or bodyblocking the hook in concert l, etc.
That being said even though I think the meme video is kinda funny, it's not a good way to "play" and pretty aweful. Its on the same level as "all in, full seal bully squads": you might laufgh your arse off, but the other side is just wasting their (miserable) time till its finally over.
Pig getting nerfed YET again is a sort of meme and self depreciating joke by now, but what can you do besides asking players politely not to do so?
This could be THE opportunity for us killers to show our greatness and that we stand head and shoulders above petty squabbles and spite... But I guess our bad apples, few or many, will still do what they gotta do in order to ruin a few matches for others. At least it will be over with pretty fast.
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Survivors body blocking = strategy.
Killers Body blocking = abusing mechanics.
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I'm pretty sure I can have fun as a survivor against those pigs up to 20 matches, it's unique kek
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That arguments apples and oranges though, if you actually compare the two
Survivors bodyblock to protect their teammates being chased (also known as playing the game). BT can be abused in this way, you aren't wrong about that aspect but overall survivors bodyblocking isn't inherently unhealthy, I don't think
(in this threads example) The killer is deciding to not play the game and just block one of the boxes in hopes that survivors are unlucky and get put in a lose/lose situation where they do gens and die or don't do gens and the game never progresses.
Your post would 100% be right if people were complaining about the killer bodyblocking an exit gate switch to stop survivors from opening it (their fault for 99'ing it in the first place right?)
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If he had blocked the wrong box he would have looked like a fool.
The box is an objective, and however he chooses to defend it is his business, how is it different from a trap?
I consider that playing the game, he chose the right box and was rewarded for it. If it was wrong he would have lost.
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Except the killer did play the game. With addons provided by the Devs. The Killer just didn't play the game in a way you like. A 1 in 16 shot may sound like a lost cause to you. But it makes it super rare. What do you think happens after they get their helmets off? The heroes ride off into the sunset? LUL no, I kill them afterwards anways.
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And I mean, he doesn't even has to "block" it, pig can just camp around the trap and decisively strike people who trying to use the box.
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That's now how Dead By Daylight works. The reality is that no gens will get done, and the trial continues indefinitely. Which is not Saw at all. :P
It's not hostage-holding or a lose-lose; it's a stalemate similar to hatch stalemates before the Killer could close the hatch.
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It has nothing to do with whether I like or dislike the """playstyle""" because I'm not arguing that it should be changed. I will make the argument however that sitting still doing nothing, isn't playing the game and you shouldn't be rewarded for it IMO.
Play how you want, you're entitled to your fun the same as anyone else - just don't be surprised if people think something is BS or unfair and try to have it changed. That's just how dbd is, we all know it.
That being said, If I were to make a change to address the issue in this thread (I wouldn't bother personally), then I'd go with the change I suggested earlier.
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I was always a proponent that the killer should be able to push though bodyblocking survivors with maybe 30% speed. The total blocking of movement is so wack and totally out of character. I acknowledge that its a sort of tactic, but dayum!
And the same could be done if a killer bodyblocks a survivor for more then 60s? Then they can slowly push them away till they can use the Jigsaw box.
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tbh the problem isn't really that the killer can block the box, it's that the killer can 100% guarantee stop someone from doing a box because they can just camp it.
Which again is totally valid under normal circumstances, but the video tape addon is far from normal circumstances. Killers who do this aren't AFK, they're just not playing the game (in my opinion ofc) so being able to push them away won't do anything.
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What's the difference to it than camping the hook.
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Not really much, which is why both should be addressed. Allegedly camping already is, but who knows how and when.
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Simple. There's actual recourse/things that can be done about it
Perks like BT and Decisive can help you get out of being camped. Good team coordination can also end a camp
Perks like Kindred/Kinship/Camaraderie help make your teammates aware of it and buy them more time
None of that applies to camping a jigsaw box, they aren't the same.
Hell, camping hooks is valid. It's not fun for some, but it's valid and you can choose to do it when you need to or if it's your gameplan - go for it. Survivors know what to do about it
So, quite a lot actually.
(This is talking generally, some killers can facecamp and basically you can't save like Bubba but talking generally the above still applies to the majority)
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I disagree, camping hooks is fine and should stay.
Facecamping with killers like bubba isn't a game problem, it's a power problem. It's their power that allows them to do it with little to no counterplay
It's not fun, but that's a different matter. Killers don't have fun losing either.
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