DMS is Broken on Artist

Why do you need a "100% counter" in the first place?

I agree, I said multiple times above damaging people at range is a gimmick, her real strengths are long range information, aura tracking in a chase and zoning at loops. That’s why I said removing her ability to do damage at extreme range isn’t a big nerf.

1. It's as close as you can get to 100% in a multiplayer game. Smart players always try to counter the counter, that's what makes pvp fun.

2. I brought up bbq because the mindset is similar to countering both. Watch for the pickup, and dont be caught out of position when your teammate meets the hook. With DMS it's easier, as you don't need to go for a locker, just not be on the gen. (And wouldn't hurt to move a bit away when facing any ranged killer)

Blocks a gen if the survivor let's go of it during a 45 second window after getting a hook.

AFTER a survivor is hooked, it activates and starts its timer, but doesn't do anything yet. While its timer is active, if a survivor lets go of a gen, the gen is blocked for the remainder of the timer. It does not regress the gen, and the killer can't cancel it early in order to be able to start regression themselves. Its basically locked in a neutral state.

Oh, also, the timer doesn't refresh with each hook. If there are 5 seconds left on the timer when another survivor is hooked, the perk is wasted for that hook entirely.

I don't think it's overpowered or broken. Is it strong? Most definitely. But hey it's not ruin undying so 🤷

And it actually has counterplay, you just have to play around it. Much like killers have to play around dead hard, ds, unbreakable, circle of healing, bt, boil over, flashlights, firecrackers, flashbangs, soul guard, and many other things.

If survivors don’t respect the ability at long range they’re giving the Artist free information every time a crow hits them. It’s the info that’s valuable, not the snipe gimmick.

So you get to watch them sit on the gen and not move, without being able to punish it short of crossing the entire map? cool.

And BBQ likewise shows you info on distant survivors, but people still think that information is valuable.

Well your complaint about the aura was you get to see them but be too far away to pressure them off. How is that any different from BBQ?

Also I don’t use BBQ personally but I know there are quite a lot of people who use it just for the aura.

the aura is only worth the perk slot on killers that can utilize it well. Killers like Pig, Billy, Nurse, Blight who use it either to know where everyone is, or to start the next chase as quickly as possible. Its also a perk that gets chosen in a loadout and not, you know, the killer's base power.

This isn't like pinhead's addon where his chains can injure immediately on hit. The artist's ability to injure survivors by hitting them while they have crows already on them is specifically to punish survivors who ignore her power. The time to remove crows vs the cooldown to fire more is a pretty clear indication of that.

I have to use her because I spent my shards on her for PR as a teachable, now she has like 80 envelopes to use up D:

Exactly, I said the same thing a few times already. Her extreme range damage is a gimmick, it's not a key part of her ability set.

Because the killer's base power is intended to either help them get injures, get downs, or both. A perk that is optional, can be applied to any killer, and only gives information is very clearly NOT intended for the same purpose. Anything built into a killer's kit directly is there for a purpose to aid them in either chase (antiloop,) or catching survivors off guard (stealth, or mobility.) Crows do literally neither of those things.

Its funny you keep mentioning doctor, since his power prevents vaults/pallet drops/even dead hard. Crows do none of those things. She has to land a skillshot that has a placement and release delay. The kicker is that she either needs to do it when there are absolutely zero physical obstructions, or she needs to land it twice within a period where a survivor holding the button to disperse her crows is only 1 second shorter by default than her ability to place and release more crows... or the survivor ignores her power completely and then gets confused and cries on the floor when they get downed (assuming they were injured to begin with.)

This is one of the easiest to counter powers in DBD history yet people still complain without taking a minute to learn how it actually works. You got your absolutely safe built in counterplay, yet you refuse to use it.

As for the 30 meters argument, you clearly don't even understand how it works in a simple loop, why would you pretend to understand what impact it would have at 30+ meters versus 28?

this hurts ya, but all you gotta do is alternate with another gen. just remember, DMS means there's an extremely high chance they're not running pop, let alone them being able to use it on said gen. The gen that gets "suddenly blocked" is like a free misdirect at that point.

They can zone survivors out of being able to take advantage of a loop because she slows herself down to place them, which creates a mindgame vs the survivor just leaving the loop (hint on how to mindgame her btw.) As for complaing about her, you're directly trying to justify a both unnecessary and unrational nerf to her for literally no reason. You might not have directly said she's op plz nerf, but you're asking her map pressure to be gutted with little to no justification.

It IS extremely easy to counter her long range damage potential, and your argument is "well then get rid of it" instead of "maybe survivors should rub two brain cells together and hold A or D for a moment"

The entire point of her power at long ranges is to both get information, and punish survivors for not taking her seriously. The clown is a beast in chase, yet his map pressure is awful specifically because people ignore him if that purple fluff aint in their faces.

You're completely confusing what I'm saying. To reiterate

• I have no opinion one way or another if she's broken in combination with Dead Man's Switch. I said that, FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE, if it actually it broken then one way to fix it without significantly nerfing Artist overall would be to tweak Artist so she doesn't do damage at extreme range.
• I said multiple times that her doing damage at very, very long range is the weakest part of her kit. Her time is much better spent using long range crows for detection and then using crows in chase for zoning and aura tracking running survivors.
• I'm not saying "get rid of it" for no reason. I'm saying IF that combo is actually overpowered then getting rid of her very long range damage is a minimal change that eliminates the broken part of the combo while still leaving everything else intact for Artist and still leaving Dead Man's Switch untouched for other killers.

Also you mentioned Clown, but Artist is more like Doctor. Clown only has chase, that's it. Artist and Doctor have both anti-loop and solid tracking. She's basically on par with Doctor. She has potentially longer range tracking but has to more actively manage it, and her auras in chases are a bit better than Doctor's passive hallucinations and periodic screams. Doctor's anti-loop doesn't cause damage directly but is still effective at blocking survivors at vaults and dropped pallets. However his Madness has some innate slowdown which is useful to give him a bit more time in the match.

Finally I'm not sure why you think a survivor who just ignores the crows at long range is "doing so safely". If you don't remove the crows they never go away so Artist knows where you are the entire time and can come after you whenever you likes. Even without extreme range damage all she has to do is get within about normal terror radius and launch a crow and you can get hit. Survivors still are going to be taking a risk if they never remove crows, even if Artist is out of range, because sooner rather than later she'll be in range since she knows you're there.

If you honestly think her anti-loop is on par with doctor's primary ability use, who also has his static shock as a secondary power entirely, you're losing your own point from the onset. The reason I mention Clown is because his power suffers horribly from map pressure while being good in loop specifically because survivors ignore it outside of chase since it they have zero reason to respect it. They hear a jake screaming multiple times elsewhere in the map? cool, that means they're 100% safe from the killer until they're downed or the clown disengages and comes your way. Same with Demo shouts from a mile away while someone else is being chased. The Artist is in a situation where, even those situations, if youre sitting there ignoring a swarm of snuggly boiz in your face, she can punish you for not respecting her power. That alone gives her map pressure, something most killers (including those with strong antiloop) desperately need. It IS the weakest part of her kit, but removing it singlehandedly allows survivors to outright ignore her power, which is a bad change.

Just because something is easy to counterplay, doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. especially if its entire reason for existing is to punish people who ignore it. Freddy's powers are worthless against people who are awake, should we just remove snares and fake pallets simply because survivors can just use alarm clocks anyway?

Bad and wrong assumption leads to bad and wrong solutions. DMS isnt broken on artist.

You can’t bluff people out of dead hard for distance

There are other ways to loop an Artist then to just hold shift+w. Just running from her is the lazy way out when you do not want to try it at all. Artist has a pretty good tell when she sets her crows, she slows down loads when doing so and you can even see the Crows.

I agree that Artist with DMS can be hard to deal with. But what is so bad about this? Finally you get to see some other perks aside from Pop/Ruin/Tinkerer/Undying and the meta changes a bit. This is a good development. Crying about DMS is just like Killers who cry about the mere concept of Boons...we want a shift in the meta and then when it comes.

I am quit happy to finally face some different perks and I am also happy to finally see another Killer aside from Blight and Nurse having some strong points.

The only thing they should change is the fact that Pain Resonance can affect generators who are already regressing (Ruin). This should get changed because it makes little sense to me.

The idea should always be to nerf Deadmans by the way. Anybody suggesting that we nerf Artist is on a pretty wrong track. Perks should be balanced around Killers and not the other way around. A Killer should feel good, fun and rewarding for both sides. Artist brings this. If anything the perk has to change and not the one Killer who is good with it.

Sorry to tell you this but that is quit personal.

My friends have a blast playing Artists and comment on how she is a pretty good concept of a Killer with good visual, chase theme and ability. Pretty personal as well because we all have different taste. I for one do not play her because she is just not my style.

Bu I have a blast playing against Artist and as an example chaining two loops into each other. With only 3 crows she can only do so much. I think survivors will just have to adapt to her power and come up with a few counters and then those have to become a bit more widespread.

Thinking that survivors have so little creativity and abilities to counter a Killer feels a bit like an insult to them. Shift+W as the best counterplay is like telling the Killer just to "camp and tunnel if you want kills"...

And if it’s not broken then no change is needed. My whole post has been saying IF it’s broken then here is a possible fix that has minimal impact on the Artist and perk outside of that one combo.

But what if they use it for distance before u can catch up

But you can’t counter dead hard for distance, so it’s uncounterable