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Is this what you wanted BHVR?
Weak killer,easy to bully ✅
Perks that endorse bullying ✅
I can already see the titles on youtube from some survivor main content creators: "I made Sadako dc,haha i'm a god" .
Please dont do this to Sadako,I was excited when they announced she's gonna be in dbd,now i'm just dreadful .
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so you watch a few youtube clips and judge the killers strength off of that? Sadako literally has nothing to do with these clips, they couldve been playing Wraith, Oni, Demo, etc and it wouldn't of made a single difference
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This is pretty much the same with every killer out there. We are the survivors bully toys.
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It's a new psychological horror direction (horrific for the killer)
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She's easier to bully because she's weak is what I meant.
I think Wraith,Oni,Demo are all stronger than her,they have mobility and can shut down pallets in less than 5 seconds.
Sure,ofc a killer can bully survivors but in all my games as survivor,I never felt bullied by a killer even when me and my team got stomped.
Weak killers are definetly the ones that deal with the most bulying,because for example,you cant bully a good Oni,Nurse,Blight,Spirit,even Wraith,a good Wraith is actually insane but Sadako,I feel like she has nothing going for her,even if you play good.
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I've been bullied so many times as a different killer ive lost count.
Yeah shes not very strong killer which is sad but she's not the worst. I think they should fix her condemn..its completely useless.
She's just another M1 killer who cant deal with loops and pallets.
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I think that was more of an illustration of his other point: "Perks that endorse bullying". I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing. I'm just pointing what I think the video relates to.
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She is far from a weak killer and is actually pretty decent. Problem is from what I can gather is she has a very unique playstyle and you need to keep a lot of mental notes with her
She has what is probably the best map mobility in the game and theres an added bonus of having pretty good game delay. The game delay comes in the form of Condemned and you're able to have a pretty good idea of how much Condemned a Survivor has if you pay attention to the UI. Static on them means they have a tape and if there's no static they don't have a tape. Its almost always safe to assume that if they have a tape on them for quite some time they are probably pretty close to getting fully Condemned which leads to a kill. Survivors obviously want to avoid this and are most likely gonna have to insert the tape which is always the furthest TV from which they pulled the tape from.
She also has what is possibly the best stealth ability in the game which has literally no cooldown and has a passive phasing similar to Spirit which can definitely throw people off, and theres an indicator showing when it happens on your end meaning you can actually make plays around it.
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Best map mobility in the game
you can't say this when survivors can literally hold M1 for .5 seconds and turn her mobility off. Imagine if you could interact with gas cans around the map and turn billys chainsaw off, or Blight serum, or any of the mobility killers. Mobility is worthless if you cannot use it to approach survivors and good survivors will always turn off the closest tv to the gen because 7 stacks of condemnation is hilarious to build up and 2.5 seconds of total animation time will get you the tape + put it into a new tv. The only limiter here is travel time at 4.0 M/S and a buildup rate of 1 condemnation stack per 30 seconds of holding a tape.
Want to explain to me the math of how you can build up condemnation/take advantage of her "best map mobility in game" vs a swf who turns off your tvs?
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They turn off your TV's that wastes time, and doing so also reveals their location. And its not something as hard to track as say Plagues fountains where it can some times be a little hard to keep track which one was just used and which ones were already there, if you see a gen with no TV near it, it means some one was just there.
Also them taking it out builds 2 points of Condemned and if they stay on the gen they build it further. The TV also doesn't stay off long enough for them to stay on the gen for the full 80 seconds.
These are just my observations from PTB with the little time I spent in it, and so far it seems I was doing quite well, she punishes greed HEAVILY and I really like that about her since theres not really another killer like that.
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oh the lord Otz has said the killer is C-tier? Must be true then
He focuses on condemned as if that's her sole goal to reach, it isn't. He also talks about how everything she does she's not great, the thing is every part of her compliments it self, theres risk in countering her map mobility and she can know where Survivors are for doing so, and her stealth makes it easy to catch Survivors off guard. If a Survivor plays really greedy then she punishes that HEAVILY. And there are some cases where some times being greedy is the correct play. Especially against her.
I have nothing against Otz, but this isn't your argument as to why she's bad, its his
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Its also my argument since I agree with him.
Also of all the content creators I watched,all of them seems to say the game thing,she's weak.
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I disagree with Otz.
I think she's D-tier.
Better than Legion and Console Trickster.
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Legion is a weird one for me,Legion has the potential to snowball like crazy,but also get dumpstered if survivors split up and dont adapt to that quick.
I've been playing a lot of Legion lately and for me personally he's mid tier.
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He's fundamentally the worst.
He encourages Survivors to split up and only the worst of the worst don't. Not only that, he eats a longer stun than NURSE for a non-lethal power. He can't down anyone with his power either, so he has to play as a pure M1 Killer with no stealth or instant down potential.
Also, CoH exists.
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I am legit wondering if I am being baited here. How is a .5 second animation "wasted time", it's nothing. If we wanted to 'waste time' interacting with a tv would take 10 seconds minimum and so would re-inserting a tape. Condemned is a joke, you can erase 4 stacks at any point in time. Sadako punishes greed in what way? Being able to teleport != 'punishment'. You seem to think being able to go from point A to point B instantly is a big deal. If it were truly such a big deal demo would be considered one of the best killers in the game.
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CoconutRTS also shares the same view as I do and actually came up with a build which just emphasizes more on her strengths and gets rid of her weaknesses. Which just speeds up the process of Survivors either risking becoming condemned or leaving gens to get rid of condemned.
This play style still works without these add ons, its just you have to play more towards the mid/late game
EDIT: Forgot to link the video lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_p6Rx_x5V8
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This seems like what you wanted. It seems like something that a few people wanted.
- Weak killer to complain about
- Perk that people say will be used to bully killers (Dark Theory)
The devs obviously don't want a weak killer. She will probably get some buffs shortly after going live.
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Its a .5 second animation to take out and insert the tape, how ever you are completely missing where the wasted time comes from and thats from having to go on the other side of the map just to get rid of your condemned. If you ignore it and the Sadako player knows how to play around this you are putting yourself at risk
Also, going from point A to point B really is a big deal especially when it can be accessible from literally ANY WHERE on the map with NO cooldown. I'm not saying she's the best killer, I'm saying she's much better than people realize.
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Do you guys think this is a bully? you guys are cuties
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I run enduring on Legion,I literally cannot play him without that perk due to the reasons you stated.
Yeah,I think he's worse than I give him credit for.
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"No cooldown" is EXTREMELY disingenuous. You disable a tv for 100 seconds if you teleport to it....literally longer than it takes to do a gen solo.
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And 60 seconds if they turn it off, which is less time than a gen and thats assuming you're just giving them the gen for free, she's similar to Hag in a way where she doesn't commit to chases. Only wittles down Survivors little by little until an opportunity shows it self for the right time to strike.
The only thing I have an issue with is her being HEAVILY reliant on regression perks, since the main strat almost requires them.
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I wouldn't jump to conclusions without playing her, I really don't think she's that bad but I might change my mind when she hits live
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It is better to get stunned by a pallet than to go through your cooldown.
Yikes.
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Why do you think she's good?
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Because every little aspect of her kit compliments it self and theres just so much about her that many people don't realize. She's kind of a jack of all trades since she kind of has a little bit of everything. Another thing I quite like is you can use the same mindgame as you did with Old Freddy where you could trick Survivors thanks to his flickering, she has this as well which lasts for a few seconds (idk the exact number) after Manifesting and it gives you feedback on when it happens, allowing you to play around it.
I don't think she's the best killer, but she's FAR from being any where near the worst
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Here are my issues.
Her Condemned is very non-threatening. One stack PER teleport where the Survivor has to be within 16m of a TV is brutal when it has to be 7. If it were 2 per successful teleport and the Video Tape removed 3 stacks instead of 4. It's clearly meant as game-delay, but it just utterly fails to do so.
Her Teleport is also on way too long of a cooldown. It takes 100 seconds for a TV to turn back on after she teleports. Make it 30-45.
She needs a movement speed bonus while she's in her Ghost Mode. Nothing big, maybe 120-125%. That'll give her a better lunge so she has a BIT of anti-loop.
If she gets those changes, she's better to me.
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Are you... complaining about parental guidance?
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Its one stack per teleport yes, but that adds up. Its not like a Survivor is gonna stay on the same gen the entire game. And its not like you can't interrupt a gen being worked on without the teleport.
Its not like you waste too much time doing other things, she has a some what similar play style to Hag where you don't really want to commit to chases, you want to scare Survivors off gens and have a sort of hit n run playstyle. You delay the game as long as possible for them to gain condemned and only pick off those caught in bad situations which isn't hard thanks to her stealth.
Her teleport being 100 seconds absolutely needs to be brought down, I knew it was long but didn't know it was that long until some one else mentioned it earlier
A movement speed bonus would be nice as well
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Getting lucky SEVEN times per match is ridiculous. If they keep that, they need a different way to gain Condemned stacks. It needs to be a threat, otherwise nobody will use the Tapes, ergo no game delay.
Hit-and-run is almost dead thanks to Circle of Healing. People heal far too fast to make that a real playstyle anymore. You would be delaying the game, but it would really be delaying the inevitable.
Yeah, 100 seconds is way way too much.
I just think the movement speed would help her in chase, which she desperately needs.
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And the abundance of CoH in todays meta is one of the main reasons that you don't see that many Hags around, anymore. Her hit n run and wittling down Survivors style would have worked pre CoH, but now your work can be faster undone then you can deal out the hurt and you will end up like a headless chicken running from survivor to survivor, while they all run circles around you fearlessly, knowing fully well that they got a lot of easy escape mechanisms in place and just need to run in the vague direction of the blue-white totem.
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Boons we're a mistake.Especially coh.
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Boons weren't a mistake per se, but that they can be relit ad infinitum and can't be broken THAT is a mistake, that takes a lot of strategy out of the game and makes it essentially a no brainer to boon, once you find a totem.
And CoH needs to be seriously curbed down. By a lot. Its killing so many killers (duh) and playstyles. Just let it give everyone selfheal, but at the "normal" 50% self-heal speed. Why run self-heal these days, if you could just boon a totem? And give it a moderate healingspeed buff when healing others. Botany Knowledge just gave you +33% healspeed and was still run by dedicated healer builds, so why give CoH +100% (or +70% after the nerf)?
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She's really bad. I don't see her getting fixed because she needs more than a couple of really tiny buffs, which is the most of what she'll get from PTB to live. See you in 3 years when they take another look at her.
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Honestly, every killer can get bullied. Survivors will always find ways to annoy the killer no matter what.
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Can't believe I am about to say this but check out Coconut/Dowsey videos of what she is capable of. You got to use your brain a bit more with her but weak she is not. I hate referencing streamers as I prefer to base my opinions off my own play but I'm console and I already know I'm going to like her. Check it out.
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Hit and run is a joke in the boon healing meta.
She is no better than a good Clown,Pig,survivors that know how to loop will absolutely destroy her.
She's not even a real stealth killer since you can still see her even demanifested.
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Not a fan of how they did her stealth either. As for Pig and Clown they are two of my best killers. I think with some minor tweaks she can be really good but overall I think I can use her and be happy with results. CoH is strong but it don't make or break characters for me.
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I watched Coconut video and even Scott Jund responded saying what he did was really addon and map dependent,that goes for any killer,you can turn trapper into a powerhouse using his best addons,same with Wraith,this doesn't mean she isn't bottom tier.
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Agreed. Does not mean she is either.
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...wow, if you can't see a bully, idk what your mindset is "he was just playing the game" true, but he could've done that without the tbagging in front of the killer, most killers don't like seeing a survivors buttox
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Well when it can be paired with all that other stuff, I would assume that would be complaining
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Also, C-Tier is not a problem Tier.
D-Tier needs buffs.
S-Tier needs nerfs.
Every other killer should be either A, B or C.
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Map control is useless if the only way to down someone is with 3 M1 hits, yes counting 3 because literally everyone uses DH this days. M1 killers are really weak and she will be not an exception if the devs don't add something to help during a chase.
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Condemn is too hard to give survivors pips because the only way to give it to them is if they are close to a tv when you teleport or if they CHOOSE to remove a tape to slowly get Pips but can turn it in to remove 4 pips instantly. Great idea but poor design.....her speed is good and other abilities are good but dang BHVR what were you thinking.
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That's not OP's point. OP's point was that the direction the game is taking is no longer "Play your favorite Killer as a threatening role" and is more now "Play against popular Killers, and get to bully them for fun". Which if you love a certain movie/show and it's characters, is a pretty big slap to the face, when the game advertises getting to be the power role of your favorite pulp fiction Killers. Killers are no longer the Power Role, you don't get rewarded for good play - instead as Killer you have to play right and then hope the Survivors make enough mistakes they run out of second chances.
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The issue is more that nobody can agree on a tier list whatsoever. I do not feel we even have any s tier killers to begin with, and I do not believe Sadako is C tier. So that just leaves a lot to be desired in terms of our agreement.
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I said this in another thread, but Sadako being able to insta-kill survivors is the issue. We currently don't know how powerful that ability is going to be when players master her. We also don't know what addon combinations will do when they are fully explored. Her ability to insta-kill is pretty unexplored, so the developers being extra cautious is a great thing. If in a couple of weeks, after she has been mass-played and she is better understood, then buffs can be applied. However, if players discover that with so-and-so addon and so-and-so perk, Sakako can insta-kill survivors before they complete 1 gen, then that would be a disaster.
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Yes.
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