Here's a suggestion to make NOED more skilled
Here's my suggestion on how to make noed more "fair" if the killer played poorly or actually played really well, or you know, you can do bones instead of complaining about the perk.
No one escapes death is no longer a hex perk
No one escapes death is now a token perk, you gain 1 token for every hooks you get for a maximum of 8 tokens, you can only gain 2 tokens from each survivors
Each tokens gives the exposed debuff to survivors for 10 seconds for each tokens you have, for a maximum of 80 seconds exposed debuff once the gens are powered
Cannot be taken away from survivors, so you can rush all you want as you always do, and reward the killer by getting as many hooks as possible, did poorly and only got 1-3 hooks, 10-30 seconds debuff, hooked no one, you are free to leave, they aren't rewarded for it.
Just making it clear, this post got edited by mods and moved into feedback, I was more sarcastic and calling other survivors crying for noed crybabies, all this got removed, I have NO issue against noed, it's just a personal suggestion on how to amke the cry babies shut up.
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I'd be fine with that.
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Me too. A lot of NOED users wouldn’t be!
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It should be reduced to 4 tokens to be in same line with other perks.
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20 seconds each then, but dying light can have many tokens, more than 5
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Just make NOED basekit and no longer a Hex TBH.
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that would be a good balance change with BT coming basekit soon
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Hell, I'd be fine with 30 seconds for each survivor hooked.
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that would be OP lmao unless it's 4 max so 2 minutes, at first I wanted it to be 15 seconds/token but I reduced it to 10 seconds
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Dying light has effect all the time, not just endgame.
Also is an obsession perk.
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fair enough
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So it's a win-more perk that if you play well you'll never get any value out of, and if you aren't playing well you get no value out of.
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you do realize noed used to be on a 120 second timer and was changed. what makes you think 80 seconds is better?
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Because 80 is two thirds of 120? You can’t camp someone to death from their first hook to death hook in 80 seconds. If you’re not fast enough, it won’t even last a full hook state. Plus, it’s only 80 seconds if fully earned under this model.
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Honestly, you may as well ask for NOED to be removed.
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Don't know why killer should earn there only second chance perk when survs have them without earning them. Oh and nice touch how you choose the time specifically so you can 99 the door sit out noed and then rush the hook with your swf for the nice 4e so the m1 killer can't do ######### about it
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I mean someone else already explained how killer has an issue where almost none of their perks work when they start losing, unlike survivors where all of their best perks only work while you're losing.
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Definitely better over current NoeD.
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0riginally this post was named for all noed cry babies here, but the mods modified it and moved it into feed back, I have no issue with noed and you can simply do bones toi remove the perk, but I guess it was slightly too mean for the mods so they removed that.
idc about noed, I am just so tired of survivors crying about noed when they have all the dh, unbreakable, ds bt bullshit
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The problem with this suggestion is that NOED isn't a reward for skilful play, it's a tool for you to use at a certain point in the match. It's already got a ton of restrictions on it, as well, there's no good suggestion for NOED that puts more onto it.
Also, this was moved into suggestions and feedback because it's a suggestion. It's not to remove it, it's to have it in the right section of the forum.
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Because killer is the power role and supposed to control the flow of the match. Killers have their chance up until the fifth gen pop to stop survivors, and of course more chances after that. NOED requires zero killer skill, but also zero input.
To use a survivor second chance perk, they either become exhausted, get hit quickly after an unhook, use a one-time use perk (that require killer slugging or tunneling), or earn it by completing their primary objective.
NOED? Just have at least one dull totem somewhere on the map. Congratulations.
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Ah nice you told yourself the counter no need for me to do it. I give you noed is strong but It comes with its own disadvantages. It can be cancel bevor activation and after activation and its a late game perk so basicly 3 perks all game with the chance for it to never activate because someone like me did bones its enough to do like three. Then one is almost always booned and the last one can be cleansed if there is noed so I think it's pretty fair. And survs also have very strong perks to save your game plus they can rush the hook with three so it's impossible to defend
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Well that’s definitely more fair than current noed. Idk how good it would be though.
In practice, if you actually have the full 80 seconds it means every survivor is dead or on death hook so a lot of the time it potentially gives you 1 extra kill (which you may have gotten anyways) and nothing more since the remaining survivors will have no reason to stay afterwards. I guess you can still run NWO with it though.
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I likey
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I know
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Honestly, if you wanted to make it more skillful make it a "nice guy" perk, which it only works on survivors that have been hooked at least once before during the end game. So to get the entire team exposed you need to hook everyone once. However, with such a restriction they'd probably need to remove the hex component to it, and it'd lose that "catch up" mechanic it sort of has for better or worse.
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Requires too many hooks. Against good teams you're unlikely to even see 4 hooks before all the generators are done.
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I like the token idea, but maybe make the token setup similar to No Way out, such as 30 seconds guaranteed plus 15 seconds per unique survivor hooked. One thing I noticed is that you didn't mention the movement speed buff which is actually a pretty significant part of NOED, would you keep it the same or modify it?
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Then you're going against teams below your skill level, and most streamers are among the best in the game. Even then though they often find it aggravating going against survivors running the meta.
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If a crutch perk literally does not work against anyone even slightly better than your skill level, what is the point.
It's like saying DS shouldn't work if they caught within 30seconds.
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It'd probably be closer to "DS only works if you're the only person who's been hooked in the match".
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So a ######### Devour Hope? No thanks.
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I don't think it needs changed.
1. You'd be removing the main points of the perk. Yes, it's the killer's only real second chance. But it's also also an incentive to cleanse totems. This would remove incentive to do them so survivors can just gen rush even more without having to be worried.
2. NOED already has counterplay, survivors just don't want to do it. They want to rush 5 gens in 3-4 minutes and escape.
3. The whole point is to give killers a second chance if they're having a bad match. That bad match could be because of anything from mistakes and missed plays, to bad map RNG with extremely gen efficient survivors.
Survivors already have a ton of second chance perks that can be used all throughout the match that killers are forced to play around with no ability to remove them.
NOED can be removed before it even gets any use. All it requires is survivors to do the other part of their objective. That's why you get objective points when cleansing them. Why should killer's only second chance perk be nerfed to reward survivors gen rushing even more, because they don't want to cleanse totems. Makes no sense
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(cleansing totems is boldness points, not objective)
But I fully agree with you. And with boons being a thing now, survivors can't use the "but it takes tiiiime to cleanse totems!" when it takes even longer to set up a boon, and yet they do it over and over during a match. So it feels like "it takes tiiiime" was just an excuse to say "but I don't wannaaaaa"
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Exactly lol
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yep, that's literally how it is, yet they always complain
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Imagine if you could remove DS/Unbreakable/BT before it even gets used by spending a few seconds of your time as a killer.
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Remove noed , please
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remove DH and DS then
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Seems like getting Survivors to do Bones might be easier.
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