Last minute saves are considered "greedy" now huh
[Context: Meg at Exit Gate #1 me at Exit Gate #2. Killer got Meg at Exit Gate 1, I ran to get her.]
I went for a last minute save for Meg, but BW got both of us killed. lol.
I laughed it off and said gg but the killer started going off about us just leaving instead of BMing. I said that I was there to keep my teammates alive and he told me that I was trying to greed a save.
Why have that attitude, killer? Leave the preaching to the pastor and just play the game. haha
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It's probably a symptom of the killer having poor strength in end-game even with end game perks.
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Being preachy when winning at end game is the symptom...? Jokes aside.
I think we know our own shortcomings without having the killer be all preachy about it. I think the killer was on his high horse for a minute there and assumed I was there to BM and wanted to greed a save. lol
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This is what happens when killers get snobby with their wins. They need to rub the win in the survivors' faces and lecture them about their wrongdoings. The loser mentality is strong with this one.
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Its not BM but that's the epitome of a greedy play so I don't understand why you're surprised at that. If you're both at the gates unharmed and Meg isn't in your party to communicate AND she's across the map then you're being greedy by going to attempt the save when there's barely time left. In reality, a lot of people attempt to save regardless of the scenario, but by technicality the optimal play is to just leave and let him 1k. It has nothing to do with whether or not you're a good teammate, its literally just a greedy play that led to an unnecessary death
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What constitutes a "greedy" play? There wasn't even a hint of greed in my body when I went for Meg.
If altruism is considered greedy then I have nothing to say anymore.
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Well i would say in general (not your case specifically) it is the same "greed" killer get called out for when they try to secure even one kill after the gates are powered even if it means camping and/or tunneling.
Killer get called out for that all the time as tryhards or sweating. So i am not surprised that healthy survivor get called the same when they don't want to leave anyone behind even when the other 3 could escape already.
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I literally said "lol gg" since I knew Meg kind of screwed up on her part, but I kept it civil and sensible so that she didn't feel personally attacked.
And then came the killer, lecturing us about us wanting to BM and telling us to just leave. Then proceeding to tell me that I was trying to greed a save and that BW is OP using his own words.
I mean, I don't want to point fingers, but we didn't call out the killer for using BW, we normally criticized each other. Looks like killers need to stick their noses into other people's businesses sometimes lol.
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Survivors do it out of altruism. Killers don't really have anyone to be altruistic for now do they?
Securing a kill and trying to save a teammate from death are very different examples. I wasn't trying to secure a save for myself, but instead for the Meg. If the killer wants to coat it as "greeding a save" then that person is in fact, very twisted indeed.
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It may be a case of "Monkey See, Monkey Do" with a killer watching a bigger DBD streamer/youtuber.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrC8zg6USjU
This came out just a few days ago and sounds familiar with how the killer was describing the situation.
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I was just playing the "whataboutism card".
I don't really care for either but it is the goal of the killer to kill so i don't think they are greedy at any point even with the 3rd man slug to find the fourth and neither are the (up to 3) healthy survivor trying to prevent the kill.
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Well... that's my point exactly. Everything the killers do is for their own self. Survivors also have individualistic objectives, but we also have a thing called "teamwork" and "altruism" something killers can't share, unfortunately.
So your example about killers securing kills is very different, not to mention unrelated to the point I made. The two roles are simply incompatible for comparisons.
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Over altruism is generally considered as greed by most killers, because that's what kills them.
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Maybe not greed per se, but lack of empathy? The killer had 1k, why trying to mar this smallest of measure of success for the glory of a daring and perfect escape? Killers have it though enough with all the pressure, so let them have the occasional kill by not "greeding" every possible save just for the sake of it.
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Killers are altruistic all the time by showing mercy, accepting an item that they can't use or giving someone the hatch. In essence this is even more altruistic because they don't get any ingame reward for this, quite in the contrary, just some fuzzy feeling in their stomach that they made some others players day a little brighter.
Altruism towards the killer, ie giving them a mercy hook when they would walk out of that match with 0k, not BM them at the gate or t-bagging after each successful pallet save, leaving once the doors are open as not to prolong the game, this are things that many survivor players wouldnt even think about because its so ingrained into survivor culture. Not everyone does this, but this behavior is a distinct lack of empathy towards the killer as a player.
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The point eludes you then even when the Killer and I just explained it to you. You're looking way too deep at this.. Greeding is any time a player makes a sub-optimal decision for the sake of getting a neglectable set of extra points, being flashy or just for the sake of being bold regardless of the risk it comes with. It doesn't make you a bad person or a bad teammate either but its as simple as that. Altruism even by other Survivors has always been looked at as greedy in the wrong scenarios for a long time
Example of Greed: You're running a killer with 5 gens remaining and you go down unnecessarily early because you wanted to loop the safe pallet an extra 2 times which led to a bloodlust...that's greeding a pallet. If you just threw it down as you normally would you would be safe and probably alter the outcome of the game, instead the killer now has a fast first hook and can go pressure your teammates
Example 2 of Greed: A killer slugs a survivor with unbreakable/medkit to go attempt a down on the last survivor thats across the map. Survivor #1 gets up and opens the gate and then takes a protection hit to save the other person. The killer greeded and gets punished for chasing the 4k instead of securing the 3rd kill first
You willingly turned a 1k loss for the killer into a tie because you wanted to force a save across the map with little to no time left and also ignored the risk of BW... you went out of your way in a lose/lose scenario when you already had the W. I do it myself sometimes so I'm not judging you I'm just letting you know what people consider that
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TL;DR: "greed" is going for something more than the safe option.
Yes, altruism can be greedy, in that definition, if you go for a risky save rather than just leaving.
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Is "greed" a bad thing? It's greedy going for a last minute save (risking 2 dead instead of 1) or slugging with the exit gates open (risking 0 dead instead of 1) but it's more fun right?
Also a killer salty because he got an extra kill sums up how difficult people are to please in this game
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TL;DR: Killers view it as greed. Survivors view it as altruistic. Got it.
I don't think anybody uses that word in that context. When we say "greed" it usually has something in it for me. Being altruistic has nothing going for me except trying to be a good team player. But... who cares right?
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Two things
1st. That killer is a whiner. I don't get why people want to lecture others at the end of match, but it makes me happy to be a console scrub.
2. I totally get how you see it as just altruistic, but for myself, if I can leave and I try for the last minute save like that? It's because I want to try and get a few more BP, if possible, which is totally greedy. Sometimes greed is good and leads to fun end game moments, sometimes you just end up hit by BW or noed and end up paying for not leaving when you could, but that's the game.
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Well, your second point IS greed since YOU wanted the BP for yourself.
My example had nothing going for me so it's a little different than your situation I'm afraid...
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You could either get out Scott free no danger or go back in and take a chance at losing it all. It is greedy.
Now with that been said as long as you expect that it was your fault for dieing then I see no issue. I will go in and try to save that survivor that bubba is facecamping after we finish the gens because I want to and when I die oh well I did it myself.
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If I didn't know that it was my fault for taking the risk, I would've flamed the Meg or the Killer, but I knew and laughed it off. I didn't tell Meg that it was her fault, point the blame at the Killer for using the perk, all I said was "lol gg".
The killer was the one who went on a rampage about "you should've done this" & "you should've done that" and got all preachy about the whole outcome, accusing us of BMing and being greedy.
That is something I will not stand by.
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Right, but you can see how someone who isn't privy to your thoughts wouldn't be able to tell the difference, right?
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Love how he mocks BW but he brings it anyway and yet being entitled about how you should play. I guess some people just don't understand the nuances of this game. Like sometimes you should 99 the door, sometimes you should open it to ensure no one gets downed near the exit, sometimes you should wait for teammates at the gate to help them, sometimes you should leave to give them a hatch chance and even taking a good decision does not ensure the best outcome. It's also impossible to play perfectly all the time as we are all just humans. Best not to be so judgemental about people's playstyles.
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Right. But still remaining to be a preachy arse even after reading my two cents on the situation also makes him a nosy individual, right?
Right.
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That's why I said he was a whiner who made me happy to be a console scrub 😉
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That's the whole reason why I just said "lol gg" instead of playing the blame game.
For a split second at the exit gate, I knew I could go for the save (albeit it being VERY risky) or just escape and leave her to die. I chose to go for it even though I knew I would not make it out alive (EGC was almost over you see). I took the chance and owned up to the outcome.
I just wish killers would just be happy with their wins and not preach/lecture us about how and what we should've done. That hindsight BS is not helpful since I know what situation I was in.
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Well at least we can agree on that part hahaha 😆
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I feel like some killers need to grow up and actually act like human beings with some social cognizance for once.
Seriously, some killers give out real anti-social vibes sometimes. Survivors seem like A-holes, but killers? Anti-social AF.
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The killer was a streamer and I did hear his voice in one of his videos and yes... sad to tell but he did seem like a pretty anti-social and opinionated person in general.
I wish a few of them went outside and meet some actual people. Then they'll learn that being extra preachy wins you no allies.
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Save too early, greedy. Save too late, greedy. Save at all? 'stop farming you greedy sock'.
DBD 2022 No more saving other survivors from hooks - lets go.
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Btw, absolutely hate those loadouts lol like jeez 🤣 poor killers
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Tell me about it lol.
I go without addons/items all the time so I'm no threat, but I do feel for killers sometimes. Those builds are brutal.
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I'm just saying. I did seem like you took accountability and idk what the killer was so mad about as a killer I love when survivors get greedy like that it normally works in my favor.
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Look how only one or two killer mains on this forum can call out this disgusting behavior.
If it was a survivor, they'd gone ape-ship crazy, but when it's one of them? Quiet as a mouse.
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Maybe he had a bad day or smth.
But he was a streamer and he had that attitude in his past streams, so... welp, go figure...
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It happens I've had games where I was just done. The last to games just killed my vibe and I'll get off. Unfortunately been a streamer you don't really have that option.
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It's always been considered "Greedy". Especially if it is unsafe and you get the unhooked Survivor killed for it, not just at the endgame, but throughout the game. I honestly don't know many survivor mains who would argue that it isn't.
I dunno if it really started with WGLF, but it definitely one of the reasons why unsafe unhooks are seen as Greedy.
The Killer is a jerk though and shouldn't have said anything. lol
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You see, I think people are using the word wrong or don't know the actual meaning behind the word itself.
I think the word they're looking for is "reckless" or smth along the lines on that, but definitely not "greedy". Unless I was farming BP, an altruistic save isn't "greedy" as there's nothing going for me personally.
I use WGLF for protection hits, cuz if I'm going to play altruistically anyway might as well get some BP out of it. But my main priority is not to farm, it's to play like an actual team. That's why I never use selfish perks like Dead Hard or Decisive Strike, perks that revolve around me and my playstyle.
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Or, and this is just a theory, people may just do what they feel is right. I'm not leaving someone behind if I think I can save them.
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Greedy is now going into the bin of: Words that no longer have meaning in DBD.
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Sorry, English is descriptive, not prescriptive. If DBD players use greedy to mean making overly-risky plays for an extra pallet or an extra save or finishing a gen, then that's a valid meaning. :T
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I would have done the same thing (last minute save) that’s what teammates are for
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Cool story bro. If you wanna get your team snowballed because you 'felt' its right to travel across the map to force a save against a face-camping basement Bubba be my guest. You're free to do so and enjoy it as well, doesn't change the fact that making overly-altruistic plays at bad times so your teammates get punished for it is one of the things in DBD that can be considered greeding
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Yeah, not like you just used to most obviously bad scenario to make your case or anything.
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And besides debating a moot point like the OP what exactly is your case? You're really going to sit here and argue that greeding isn't a thing? 😂
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"Greeding" is completely subjective.
Your point in and of itself is pretty moot since you project a subjective stance on the matter and can't provide any objective narrative that substantiates that an act of altruism is considered "greedy".
You sound like a very opinionated person already and it is no surprise you side more with the killers than altruistic survivors and can't resonate with us for sharing such values.
There's no point in conversing with people like you who hold no common ground. sorry.
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Any language is descriptive in that manner. The word "gay" meant "joyful and happy" before and now it means something completely different.
But in this case, you're literally changing the meaning of the word, not adding a definition which mean the people who're using it are using it wrong.
And like you said, if "overly risky plays & lack of caution" is the main context for using the word "greedy" then you're better off with words such as "reckless" which literally means the very context.
So instead of using the wrong terminology over and over again, why don't you start using the correct word that was made for situations like this? Saves all of us time and our last two brain cells we have left.
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Translation: I'm going to pull the 'you're biased for Killers card' and tell you what you 'sound' like because you don't agree with me even though you're a Survivor main with 4k hours that was mostly spent on playing Survivor at a reasonably high level
I literally provided objective examples so if you struggle to understand still then that's not on me. Clearly the Killer got you bent out of shape because you're still here taking 'greed' as a personal slight to your character when in reality even if they were being an ######### to you they still had a point. Did they have to tell you you messed up and what you should've done? No, but did the Killer lie? No
You secured a free win for yourself and the team, you denied said free win to go across the map for a save with way more risk than reward so you got punished and the Killer got a tie out of it. If you don't care about winning and rather save people that's fine and Iclearly said I'm not judging you for that, I simply explained what greeding is and how its looked at as a greedy play
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LMFAO, the very attitude of your statement speaks more volume than your words alone.
You say you provided objective examples? I don't think so. You may THINK you did, but you haven't. That's why I'm struggling here. Your examples are subjective and pretty unlettered if you ask me.
The killer's message is not a problem. I know my mistakes as any responsible players should and I own up to it. The killer had no business whatsoever to lecture regarding my actions though. It was not his place.
THAT's what I was criticizing. Not that the killer was right or wrong.
It was always about his attitude, sweetie. Maybe you missed that.
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