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Sadako changes are underwhelming
They seem like nothing more than small Qol changes. I was in the PTB feedback forum and read a lot of it but it seems like the only thing they added out of all the things widely asked for was increased condemned from holding a tape. And they only changed it to an unnoticeable effect of 25 seconds instead of 30 (it should have been 20).
No increased condemned from post-stealth/normal hits, no +2 condemned for t.v projections, no additional effects for condemned levels, no shorter cooldown on t.v's turning back on, etc.
It's like they ignored 90% of what people wanted, and just only gave her meaningless buffs. The issue still remains though, she has no control over her own power and its all in the survivors hands. And "killable" at level 7 condemned isn't even that strong. By the time it goes into effect, a survivor would probably be 2 hooks away from death anyway (or just on death hook) and you still have to chase + down them. They couldn't have just made into an insta-mori like Myers?
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They are afraid to go big without the almighty data. She sure will be buffed the first mid chapter after the next chapter after Ringu.
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Can we stop judge everything that early please. We did not even try new changes yet. And they said they will look her and if she needs, they will buff her again.
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Your suggestions would bring back the old Mori. There's a reason why they didn't listen to those suggestions.
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She was already spooky in the PTB. Now she’s Spooky+
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I think she MIGHT be at an acceptable point for release.
I don't think the buffs fixed her main issues (the lack of threat Condemned poses and her inability to close out chases) but they may put her in a good enough spot for now. She won't be in Legion-tier, so you might have some fun with her.
She's still weak, but not the worst licensed Killer. I'm still not particularly interested, but that's not really Sadako's fault.
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The changes they have proposed are just Qol, they aren't major in any way, shape, or form which is what she needed to not be a D-tier killer. The condemned effect will still pose zero threat. She is basically being released as she was in PTB, not hard to see that.
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This is why they added note. They will look her. I think she needs another buffs. Television cool-downs are so long. This needs to change.
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The changes they made did shut down the worst abuse of turning off a TV. If you grab a tape and do a gen, you're almost guaranteed to hit 5 condemned stacks. And you can only remove 3. Add in interruptions... well, it's not such an appealing idea now, is it?
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Everything on the list was something people widely asked for, except for the shortened action time on Manifesting and Demanifesting, which is a great chase buff. Inserting a tape removing 3 instead of 4 Condemned was probably the most asked for change across the entirety of the feedback forum, for instance, and I saw plenty of people asking for her visibility radius to be shortened.
She didn't need Condemned to give debuffs, that was just an idea some people spread around to change her- but she didn't need changing, she needed buffing, which is what she got.
The only thing I think she might need from here is lowering + swapping the cooldowns for her TVs. Otherwise, the changes we've seen are pretty great ones.
Even if you disagree, there is no way to spin this as a 'they just don't listen' situation.
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her tvs need to be buffed
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Yeah,I still think Sadako needs a little bit of tweaks specifically the tvs staying turned off for too long after you or a survivor interact with them
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She's like the best Stealth killer in DBD. All we need is for a COH nerf and she'll be one of the best killers with these changes tbh.
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I also feel like she's a bit underwhelming, but I'm willing to wait for her to go to live. When it comes to balancing sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. I will need to play with the changes to really know how strong or weak she is.
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Condenemed isn't meant to be easy to stack to get kills on, the point of it is to provide slowdown. I guess pig traps need to be 1 mintute and 30 seconds isntead right?
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They did mention that they wanna smoothen her rough edges and that these won’t be the only changes between ptb and live so yeah they are QoL
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I mean, stealth Killers aren't exactly strong. The strongest we've ever had was Wraith and he got hit with a huge nerf and CoH.
He's got better anti-loop but she has better game delay. I'll have to see how her Condemned plays out on live. It seems like it won't do much.
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Stealth killers have also never had the ability to teleport around the map before.
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This is true.
It's also STILL locked to a 100 second cooldown and can be completely controlled by Survivors iirc.
Tbh, I'd rather have Wraith's permanent 150% than Sadako's long cooldown, but that's probably a preference thing.
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add in interuptions? You realize it can't stack during a chase right?
And just wow at the other part. It's crazy they actually have to run for a whole 20 seconds after shutting down her power in 2 areas to a high-lighted t.v and it takes a crazy 2 seconds to perform. Yeah dude, a massive improvement over the pile of crap she was in PTB.
Why dont they just give survivors pacifiers as a new item, cause they really seem to be treating them like toddlers.
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It doesn't go up in a chase, but a TV wouldn't stay off for the entire time a gen was being done, just most of it.
i.e. so far as minor buffs go, this does make "completely ignore the condemned meter and teleportation" something that could get you killed after one chase.
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That's like comparing trash with stinky trash. Yeah, one is better than the other, but it's still trash at the end of the day.
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Nothing will please you people. They even said they will give her more changes in the future if needed. They buffed her in ways that a lot of people wanted.
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Changes that may come to little to late or may as well not have come at all.
Clown rework is a great example. His 'rework' didn't do anything for him.
Legion is anorher. He's needed changes for years. They're only now getting around to him.
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Let's at least wait until she comes out and actually play her and then we can reevaluate. She got a long list of changes.
They made it more difficult for survivors to get rid of condemned which is what a lot of people wanted, and her chase is slightly better now. If she comes out and she's still too weak, she can always be buffed again, and they've already said they're open to more changes if necessary.
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The only underwhelming thing i see is that they didn't make holding a tape gain condomed at 24 seconds per stack for fluff reasons
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Honestly I'm pretty happy over them. They all address her biggest issues and she really doesn't need anything crazy good anyway. They were nice small buffs to make her play better and that's all she needed.
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It will make her FEEL great to play, though, and that is all I can ask given the state of the game. Expecting a viable killer was just greedy, Nemesis was a happy accident and even then, most people aren't even aware of that and think Artist is better. Lul.
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so the dev be like, let us give Sadako undetectable. Oh by the way, here's a 32 meter lullaby, now 24 meter lullaby to detect her. I wonder how high you have to be to give a killer undetectable and than give the killer a lullaby.
Look at this way, at least they tried to make her better than PTB.
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My major complain are her TVs cooldowns being insanely long + that stack up insta kill ability is almost worthless.
TVs cooldowns should be at least 50% shorter (30s for Survivor using TV, 50s for Teleport to a TV).
I would prefer if the Condement (insta kill) effect generates slowly over the time after you been hit once by a TV from a teleport. This would force people at least once a match go for some short side objective.
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I'm sure we'll see changes soon if she needs them. They want people to play as and against her for a while to see how it goes. It's too early to complain right now. Again, they gave us some good buffs that people were asking for... I have no doubts that she'll get more buffs if needed.
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I actually would not change cool-down for survivor using TV. They should get a stack every 20 seconds. So this will make them to get rid of tapes as fast as they can. And this will be good second objective for survivors. But Sadako's cooldown should be shorter for sure. 100 seconds are just so long. 50 seconds would be better. Maybe 60 seconds?
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Honestly i just wanted +2 condemned for being in range of the teleport, it would actually make it feel like it does something. The +1 is way too insignificant to use the projection ability strategically to pressure survivors off generators. That and not having to de-manifest to teleport to a t.v (thats the 1 Qol changed i wanted). It's like they ignored everything important and just added in meaningless fluff.
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In 3 months? When the Anniversary chapter drops, which will probably be hyped up?
Forgive me if I don't think many people will care. Everyone moves on to the the next new shiny thing.
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Wait till you play it or something blah blah blah
Ha.
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She need rework.
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So what I'm taking away from this thread is that she's been buffed because everyone cried loud enough but it's not enough and she should be buffed even more so we're all here to cry more 😐
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Have you played PTB?
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Before judging her, we need to pass the new phase.
Killers will have to learn her a bit.
Survivors will have to learn how to beat her.
Killers will have to adapt.
And then we'll see how good or bad she is.
Although we may need to see the boons fixed first.
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You don't need to much wait lol.
She is like a worse wraith with her main stealth + extra ability to teleport. Thats it. Nothing huge new. No aiming, no set ups traps, no super hight skill cap, etc.
Just your avarage Freddy or Wraith with extra steps recycled in a different form.
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more likely, in 3 years.
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You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand these changes do very little.
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She will get more changes if needed. They gave her buffs that a lot of people were asking for.
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The main point everyone made was that her TV's and her main teleport power can be very much controlled by survivors and they didn't touch it at all. No one cared about her "anti loop" gimmick and the condemnation buff is very minor.
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They still buffed her in ways that people asked for. Again, I'm sure she'll get more buffs if needed.
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Actually buffing her ability to get downs does indirectly improve her ability to teleport and get Condemned stacks because it puts more pressure on survivors to rescue each other versus manage the gens and TVs.
But I do agree that if she still needs a buff after going live then reducing the TV refresh timer would be an obvious choice.
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She’s actually better than Wraith in a chase because she continues moving at survivor speed while Demanifesting versus Wraith who slows to a crawl while Decloaking. (Wraith’s speed boost after a Decloak isn’t enough to catch up to a survivor mid chase assuming they already know he’s there. They easily gain a lot more distance than the speed boost grants.) Wraith’s main advantages are instead he’s a bit harder to spot while moving around and his extra cloaked movement speed outside of a chase. Once the chase starts though she’s better.
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Those buffs she got are pretty moderate. You can’t really say that they’re underwhelming when we haven’t even seen how effective they are yet. Being a 4.6 movement speed killer with a 24 meter terror radius is gonna make her really good at the start of a chase. She might be the best killer to run Monitor & Abuse on now.
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