My thoughts on T-Bagging, Flashlight clicking, and Bming on Hook
I think more than a few of us have called this "Toxic" right? Well I kinda disagree but also... agree. I don't know. I don't really find this toxic as I have played a fair amount of both sides. Usually from what I've seen when a survivor does either of the two things the killer will probably get frustrated allowing the survivor in the head causing killer to play worse. I've seen this before where a calm collective killer started getting angry making them make mistakes they usually wouldn't have other wise. Now my thoughts to Bming. Honestly I just find this funny. It usually leads to being tunneled which im actually fine with sense the killer is just wasting more time on you rather than protecting gens. What I find toxic, actually toxic is post game chat or dms to a player on console because they did or experienced the things motioned above. Really clicking or t-bagging makes you lose distance and bming on hook waste precious seconds. I know there's more things that I could have motioned as toxic but these are the things I hear about most. Tell me your thoughts and if you agree with what ive said.
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I don't see any of this as toxic however I do think something needs to be done about Flashlights as some people have reported actual health issues happening due to the click spam. Respectfully they do need to address that to be totally honest that is a huge no no in gaming. They could add the option where you can no longer see the beam and just the light turn on in the center of the flashlight.
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Soooo.... How would you feel about taking the last survivor to the hatch, dropping him, closing the hatch in front of him and then proceed to hook him?
You know, just asking. Out of curiosity
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Though wouldnt that sorta be like lightborn. Just seein the beam. I guess they shouldnt be able to see the light till after there blind but then I feel like that could be used as an advantage. I dont know
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Pretty funny actually. This has happened to me before as well. After all it is just a game. Shouldn't let it sour your mood.
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Yeah it's a weird situation but as some people are having health issues it should be top priority figuring something out.
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I mean they could run light born for the time being. or give the same effect of flashbangs but you know not instantly
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Sigh.
Okay, let's dig in here. Going point by point.
- 'Toxic' is a subjective definition. I'd say that it refers to people doing things in the game with the only purpose being to upset or annoy other players.
- Yes, it can be effective as a tool, disrupting the mindset of the opposing side with the goal of making them miserable IRL so they play worse - but is this something we really want to support? Shouldn't we be looking at ways to make both sides have more fun, not less?
- Personally, it doesn't make me play worse. But it does annoy me, and make me enjoy the game less.
- Having a community of this nature stifles growth. I know that it makes it a harder sell to prospective new players in my circle of friends. League of Legends, on the other hand, was one of the pioneers of improving community behavior and it did brilliantly. I'm not saying that the slow (and at times backwards) growth of DbD can be attributed entirely to it's obnoxious community, but it definitely doesn't help.
- There isn't much difference between spamming your flashlight to upset the killer or sending them a nasty message after the game to upset the killer. In both situations your goal is to make life unpleasant for another player.
Obviously, some people can be oversensitive. But I come from a sports/martial arts background and I can tell you - if you refuse to shake hands with your opponent before the game (or even after), you generally are looking at fines, possibly even disqualification.
There is a reason for this. Sports should be about skill. Not your ability to upset or irritate your opponent on a personal level. I don't see why competitive gaming should be any different.
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Yeah lightborn is a temp fix but something should still be implemented and yeah possible flashbang could work better.
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i think if the killer tunnels, face camps or babysits, they're fully deserving of all flashlight spam, t bagging what have you.
Like wise, if a survivor is a douche right off the bat and only exists to piss off the killer, they are deserving of alll tunneling, babysitting etc that ensues.
karma, or whatever its called.
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I disagree with the statement of flashlight clicking or a message. A message you can say kyf or as a flashlight it just gives an annoying clicking sound. Yes it makes the game less pleasant but these two can not be compared in that sense
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Fair.
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Part of the game, is it nice? No, but if it's a part of the game, people will do it
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Imho toxic behaviour doesn't involve the kebabbing/camping/tunneling/tbagging/clicking, and does involve harassment, slur usage, and other side behaviours like breaking in-game rules of conduct.
All of the above can stay in the game because they aren't toxic (though they aren't fun either, so that's an argument for removal and compensation) except flashlight clicking, which poses a serious photosensitivity threat and as such should be removed or the game given a photosensitivity warning
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Completely agree
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It's uncalled for, but it's still better than trash talking in endgame chat.
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agreed. Teasing and all that is fun if its not meant in a heinous way.
Post game chat is more or less scum of the earth
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Tbagging, flashlight clicking, etc, can be toxic in my opinion.
When I play killer I know when a survivor is t-bagging to get my attention, in a legit way, it's totally fine. If I'm proxy camping and you tbag, it's ok. If they want to be chased, it's ok. I don't find it toxic, it's a pure strategy to get me distracted, and it happens so much when the match is getting hard for survivors.
But if I'm having a bad match, playing a killer I visibly have no experience, zero hooks, even though I'm putting a lot of effort, and you start to mocking me... go f*ck yourself. I've been seen this happening mainly with newer killer players. People that do that are a total piece of sh*t.
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Noxious stimuli+strobing gives me an intense migraine and occasionally nausea. This stems from a concussive injury I suffered some years back - and my photosensitivity issues are very mild. Only one other recent game has actually given me issues, and it was ridiculously flashy.
I can only imagine how this would work on someone with more serious issues - and I've had survivors say in postgame that they hope they can give someone an actual seizure one day.
On the other hand, I can turn postgame off and private my Steam profile. One form of toxicity I can negate, one I can't.
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I mean one you can but its not the way people would want to stop it and thats just switching roles. Same applies if one role is to stressful or boring
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This
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I don't see anything in-game as toxic except maybe bleeding out when it's unnecessary. It's a game where one guy tries to murder four others. We all chose to play a game where that's the only thing that happens.
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Did it traumatize you that much? So a survivor taunting a killer at the gates is ok, but killers taunting back is toxic?
That's poor sportsmanship. I understand it frustrating you, but I feel like it's just a game. When someone goes to that much effort to mess with you, it's almost a compliment. You had something more important to do with that five seconds?
That's trolling, something that happens anytime people have no fear of being slapped. Trolling isn't toxic, you think anyone who's played DBD for more than a minute hasn't been trolled? You can choose to be offended or just laugh about it. I choose to laugh, but also kill.
Sometimes I'm Bubba in TCM, sometimes I'm Bubba in TCM:TNG. Ash got dumped on all the time, he was never offended that the evil deadites were evil.
To your actual question, I would never do things like that, my parents taught me to be a good sport. Also I think it's way more badass to kill someone and then just walk away. If someone did it to me, I'd laugh and then hop into my next trial.
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I will sum up my thoughts on Tbagging, Flashlight Clicking, and BMing on hook in one word:
'Lulz'
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Not the same. The devs have said right along that camping and tunneling are just good strategies, and then made it even more appealing by making their MMR system only consider kills for killers. Tunneling and face-camping gets kills. It is not bad manners to play the game the way the devs intended. Do I wish the devs would change that, absolutely, but until they do, this is what the game is. Survivors need to stop blaming the killers for this situation and put pressure on the devs to change the nature of the game so there are other, more rewarding ways for the killers to play.
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i just see it as childish, if you want me to know you're between the ages of 15-25 that's what you do.
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