State of the game
Just gonna put it out there.
The state of this game is atrocious, there's too many major problems to list here so I will simply ask this.
Does anyone see this massive player decline coming to a halt anytime soon?
All I've seen in recent months arounds is negativity around the developers and the game in general.
Like they literally sit there in the Q&A and give us barely anything despite it going for well over an hour.
SBMM is fine apparently? Biggest load of rubbish I've heard.
No plans to remove perk tiers? Why not exactly when it will solve the grind issue for longer than this game will be alive?
Why is survivor still so god damn broken at higher levels especially on certain maps?
Like are the devs really this slow with making any kind of progress to make major improvements to the game? Last I checked it's the role of the developers to actually DEVELOP the game.
So far it's remained the same apart from their new killers and survivors since its release which is extremely concerning.
And the part I find the most concerning is during their Q&A's they literally have ZERO transparency when they are asked specific questions, I find this part to be the worst of all.
Hate to put up a full on negative rant post but this is what it feels like with this game now, there is nothing but negativity. It isn't fun anymore and it doesn't look like it's ever gonna get better with these current developers at the helm.
I really do want the game to succeed because I enjoyed it for a long time and it seems a waste to have it go down the drain because of an incapable developer team but holy ######### are things bad right now.
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While I empathise with the frustration held over things changing slowly, there are some things in this post that are just flat out untrue, and I feel as though there's a responsibility for someone to point that out, so...
- They did not say SBMM was fine? That's literally not true in the least, they defended the way the number's calculated but the bottom line of that answer was "the system is currently broken in this specific way and we're working on it", not "the system is fine".
- While I do also disagree with the decision not to remove perk tiers for now, it's worth remembering that it wouldn't solve the grind issue at all, it'd just lessen it for a while. Their answer that putting that much work into a bandaid solution would be a bad idea when a comparable amount of work could go into a permanent solution is sound, though again, I still disagree.
- The game has categorically not remained the same apart from new characters since its release, it's improved in leaps and bounds since then and many many things have spiced up how the matches work. The Obsession, Hexes, and the Endgame Collapse were not mechanics actually present in the game when it released, for starters, and massive amounts have been done to fix balance issues across the board over time.
- Not necessarily a rebuttal, but I am curious- what were they non-transparent about?
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First off this is quoted from Patrick in the last Q&A.
"There's a common misconception that by using just kills and escapes to adjust your mmr it's ignoring skill in the game, this isn't true and this is false".
Now to me that they're implying that the major function of SBMM is working as intended and is fine which is a real issue because none of SBMM is fine at all and them not addressing this factor of the system is a huge flaw so yes they deserve all the criticism that comes their way when talking about SBMM.
Secondly, you sound like them here in your second point. Removing perk tiers will fix that issue for a SIGNIFICANT amount of time and provide them plenty of time to come up with a permanent fix. They are just simply being lazy when it comes to this topic pure and simple.
Thirdly whilst all of your points here regarding endgame collapse, obsession etc are all valid points they aren't what I was saying.
I'm talking about the fundamental mechanics of the game needing an overhaul because over time players have become naturally better at the game which only suits one side and it certainly is not the killer. Like look at the amount of effort the killer has to go to especially on some bad maps to even down ONE player not to mention hook them.
The reality is the game has needed a big overhaul for quite some time now. You speak of bandaid fixes etc right? Well what do you think they're doing with nerfing and buffing certain perks in the game. They need to make sweeping CHANGES not just nerfs and buffs which are actual bandaid fixes.
They were non-transparent about I'd say 5-10 different things throughout the Q&A not to mention the downright refuse to make plenty of changes that the vast majority of the community has been requesting for ages.
Like it really is time to stop tip-toeing around these developers and start criticising them for these kind of actions because criticism is the only thing that can really work. They sure give themselves enough pats on the back as it is when they do something right but they need to start fixing the game or this decline won't just be a decline, it will be the end of this game.
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Alright, tackled in order again...
1: Yeah, that's exactly what they're saying. They first say that the core function of the MMR is working - something we have no reason to disbelieve - and then they go on to say that it's broken in a few other places. Which stacks up- the problem is inconsistency, and they give a very believable explanation for why it's currently inconsistent. No matter what way you slice it, there's no way to interpret the answer given that boils down to "SBMM is fine", because they did not say that- they actively acknowledged that it's broken.
2: It wouldn't fix the problem, it would lessen the problem. It wouldn't do anything to address the grind in any other area beyond letting you use a perk straight away instead of needing to get it three times, everything else would still be a problem. Again, I want perk tiers removed too, but we don't gain anything from pretending there's no nuance and the developers are delusional.
3: Well, what exactly are you suggesting? The idea that the core mechanics of the game need a huge overhaul is not a foregone conclusion, you actually have to back that up and provide examples to explain why that's a better solution than just fixing the balance problems that exist within the current mechanics.
4: Right, but can you give an example. What did you want them to be more transparent about?
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What I am doing is not tip-toeing around the developers. It's making an effort to ensure that criticism is accurate and constructive, because your criticism getting back to them would be useless in its current state due to things being flat out wrong.
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None of what I say is flat out wrong, it's just harsh and I'm just not pretending.
If their idea was to release SBMM as it is now and then say that THIS is what they intended then the game has already failed.
They had years to get ready for SBMM being introduced, it really isn't acceptable to introduce it in such a flawed state.
What they said about it in that Q&A means they're happy with how it was introduced and generally working as intended.
THAT in itself is the major concern because if this is what you call working as intended then they're already several steps behind where they need to be.
Yes it would fix the problem for a SIGNIFICANT period of time. Lessening the problem in this instance with simply removing perk tiers would massively reduce the grind and give them PLENTY of time to come up with a permanent fix. There is no negative to removing perk tiers because it provides both a long term solution and time for them to bring in a permanent solution as well which I stated in my previous point.
Again they're just being lazy and don't want the extra work.
I don't need to provide anything to prove my point the game needs an overhaul, I'm not the developer of this game. I simply stated it's very clear to see that the game is in dire need of an overhaul or something along those lines. You think the disappearing players would disagree with me on that? I know plenty of people that have grown to absolutely hate this game and it's purely down to them not doing a thing to rework the game to progress it which was what I was saying before in that the game hasn't really changed from its core.
The criticism is accurate, you just can't see it like many other people in this community. I simply don't view the game through rose-tinted glasses and BHVR as a company are failing whether you can admit it remains to be seen. I don't care if my criticism gets back to them to be honest, I just want players to be aware because BHVR seems to be immune from criticism directed at them anyway.
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@jesterkind Just got flashlighted after a locker grab in this game 5 times. You wanna tell me how somethng like that is still in the game? This game is absolutely CRAWLING with problems and to act like most things are working fine is a joke and a real offense to players who have committed to playing this game for years. I say again stop tip-toeing around these incapable developers so they actually start getting off their asses to do something because in its current state this game is dead within the year.
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Like I said before, what I'm doing is making sure criticism is accurate and constructive, instead of just coming from a place of being personally annoyed with something.
Did you actually have something constructive to add to this conversation, or are you just pinging me because you want to yell about something?
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Literally that because providing constructive criticism is getting this game absolutely nowhere. The makers of this game need to be made aware of how incredibly frustrating this game has become. I'm done with this now anyway, they just seem to not care all and to that I simply say cya, good riddance and I won't buy another one of yours.
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I'd certainly support taking a break if the game is getting this frustrating for you. There's no point continuing to bash your head against the wall if you're not enjoying it, right?
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Correct but it's developer arrogance that's driven me and probably thousands of players to this point.
Have players quit because they just don't give two shits anymore is not a good thing when it comes to game longevity but again not my problem anymore. Time to find a new game.
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I wish you the best of luck finding a game that frustrates you less!
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Any game in existence almost I would say.
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