Can Survivor mains say this is perfectly fine?

Isn't Tru3 doing killer and survivor with no perks and add ons at the moment?

@Vietfox said:
We already got a thread like this, can you @Peanits close this one please?

and this is why i dodge 2 or more toolboxes ^^

just thought you might be interested.

If you typed in the search you would've find the video.
@Vietfox Someone else closed similiar post like this don't remember who. But for sure it wasn't Peanits

@fcc2014 said:
this is coordinated group he played. Not every swf is like this. These "swat squads" are few and far in-between. You can't balance this game based on a small percentage of the player base.

The best would be if the devs were able to find a way to nerf gen rush somehow so these extremely organized 4 man swf teams get hit by it a bit but the other normal survivor teams don't really get impacted by the nerf in any way, especially considering that the escape rate for survivors is under 50%, especially at lower ranks. But I don't really see how that's possible. So this is true.
Closing the balance gap between solo and swf survivors is the best they can do I feel.

Arroz said:

@Master said:

@Arroz said:

@Master said:

@Arroz said:

@Master said:

@Arroz said:

@ZeroGaiden said:

1 hook, 4 gens

Can killer main say this is perfectly fine?

3 hits At a faster speed than the survivors?

Game starts with a ragequitting survivor (classic btw), the killer (poor legion) still needs 13 minutes and only gets 2 kills?

That's the only video i found.. All what im trying to say is Frank's Mixtape + With the other very rare addon (Dont know the name) Its unbalanced.. 3 hits + More speed than survivors?..

Do I need to repeat?
In a 3vs1, the killer took 13 minutes to ONLY get 2 kills. That seems indeed rather unbalanced

Umm, maybe because the killer sucks? He dont have experience? He's using a ps4 controller? (If you didn't know for new players who play as killer use the ps4 controller is more hard than mouse) Just stop fostering toxicity in the forum, I've already seen the answers you give in the discussions and you're the typical killer main that wants the survivors to run in a straight line and believes absolutely anything about the survivors is op. Better enjoy the game like it is and stop complaining in the forum or just unistall if you think the game is unbalanced or you just can't catch any survivor.

I would like to quote you:

" All what im trying to say is Frank's Mixtape + With the other very rare addon (Dont know the name) Its unbalanced.. 3 hits + More speed than survivors?.."

Now think again.

Just only check this video..

Master said:

@Carpemortum said:
Arroz said:

@Master said:

@Arroz said:

@Master said:

@Arroz said:

@Master said:

@Arroz said:

@ZeroGaiden said:

1 hook, 4 gens

Can killer main say this is perfectly fine?

3 hits At a faster speed than the survivors?

Game starts with a ragequitting survivor (classic btw), the killer (poor legion) still needs 13 minutes and only gets 2 kills?

That's the only video i found.. All what im trying to say is Frank's Mixtape + With the other very rare addon (Dont know the name) Its unbalanced.. 3 hits + More speed than survivors?..

Do I need to repeat?

In a 3vs1, the killer took 13 minutes to ONLY get 2 kills. That seems indeed rather unbalanced

Umm, maybe because the killer sucks? He dont have experience? He's using a ps4 controller? (If you didn't know for new players who play as killer use the ps4 controller is more hard than mouse) Just stop fostering toxicity in the forum, I've already seen the answers you give in the discussions and you're the typical killer main that wants the survivors to run in a straight line and believes absolutely anything about the survivors is op. Better enjoy the game like it is and stop complaining in the forum or just unistall if you think the game is unbalanced or you just can't catch any survivor.

I would like to quote you:

" All what im trying to say is Frank's Mixtape + With the other very rare addon (Dont know the name) Its unbalanced.. 3 hits + More speed than survivors?.."

Now think again.

Just only check this video..

Lol survivors nerf? The games in a decent state, and survivors are if anything, more assisted than killers. If ONLY due to the fact that theres no hard counter for a full SWF swat team. Even with randoms though.... unless survivors are potatoes or the killer is a legend, chances are you'll escape.

Thats not true, a nurse can compete with these SWFswat teams, but she is the only killer

@Vietfox said:
@weirdkid5 said:

@Vietfox said:

ZeroGaiden said:

In that case, Look up Marth88's (I think its just Marth now) The dereanking squad had 0 perks and 0 items and went against Killers with the best perks rank 3 with some of the best in slot add-ons and still destroyed the killers. That alone shows the game control 100% being in survivor hands unless said survivor makes mistakes.



Gonna copy/paste what i said in the other thread:

Don't forget that the depip squad played when the game was different than it is right now AND most of the killers they faced were bad and/or made several mistakes.

Tru3 DID make important mistakes and was running one of the worst killers you can run without perks and addons in a big map. If game was balanced towards that kind of situation don't you think it would be broken if he was running perks and addons? Besides, i think he got 4K with other weak killers like Freddy. Probably because survivors made mistakes too, and that's fine, because mistakes should be punished.

So are you saying ScottJund is bad? Cause they demolished him.

Mistakes should be punished, but when you have to win entirely on your opponents mistakes, you cannot win if they play perfectly, which isn't very difficult to pull off in this game unless you face a godlike Nurse.

If someone plays perfectly i don't see why said person shouldn't be rewarded.
I'm not saying Scottjund is bad, everyone can have a bad match no matter how good they are.

Because even if you play perfectly, your opponent has to have opportunities to overcome your skill. This is where the game drops the ball.

Compare it to something like fighting games, where there are a million variables and even if you go against an opponent who is much better than you, you can use your knowledge to overcome the challenge and FORCE mistakes or outplay the opponent.

The main problem with DbD's balance is that it doesn't present the Killer enough opportunities to force mistakes out of Survivors or to outplay them, with the sole exceptions being Nurse, Billy, and Huntress. If two players play perfectly, it comes down to who has better reflexes, mindgames, and overall the ability to read the opponent.

With looping as it is and with how all 5 gens can be finished in just 160 seconds, the Killer has almost no room to actually outplay smart Survivors.

I also love it the "top Killer gets bodied by Depip Squad" point gets shut down immediately with "everyone has bad games." Yes, you are correct, but when Scott can body 20 teams in a row, and then get absolutely murdered by the Squad, it shows that majority of Survivors are incapable of actually facing good Killers. ScottJund had to use all his best gear against them and still lost.

And he played as well as he could have, it wasn't a bad game at all. The game is just stacked against Killers, and despite saying the exceptions are Nurse, Billy, and Huntress, ScottJund was playing Huntress when he lost. They also defeated several top level Nurses and Billys. The only real viable Killer is Nurse.

@weirdkid5 said:

@Vietfox said:
ZeroGaiden said:

In that case, Look up Marth88's (I think its just Marth now) The dereanking squad had 0 perks and 0 items and went against Killers with the best perks rank 3 with some of the best in slot add-ons and still destroyed the killers. That alone shows the game control 100% being in survivor hands unless said survivor makes mistakes.

Gonna copy/paste what i said in the other thread:
Don't forget that the depip squad played when the game was different than it is right now AND most of the killers they faced were bad and/or made several mistakes.
Tru3 DID make important mistakes and was running one of the worst killers you can run without perks and addons in a big map. If game was balanced towards that kind of situation don't you think it would be broken if he was running perks and addons? Besides, i think he got 4K with other weak killers like Freddy. Probably because survivors made mistakes too, and that's fine, because mistakes should be punished.

So are you saying ScottJund is bad? Cause they demolished him.

Mistakes should be punished, but when you have to win entirely on your opponents mistakes, you cannot win if they play perfectly, which isn't very difficult to pull off in this game unless you face a godlike Nurse.

What? They didn't demolish me? I won.

@weirdkid5 said:

@ScottJund said:

@weirdkid5 said:

@Vietfox said:
ZeroGaiden said:

In that case, Look up Marth88's (I think its just Marth now) The dereanking squad had 0 perks and 0 items and went against Killers with the best perks rank 3 with some of the best in slot add-ons and still destroyed the killers. That alone shows the game control 100% being in survivor hands unless said survivor makes mistakes.

Gonna copy/paste what i said in the other thread:
Don't forget that the depip squad played when the game was different than it is right now AND most of the killers they faced were bad and/or made several mistakes.
Tru3 DID make important mistakes and was running one of the worst killers you can run without perks and addons in a big map. If game was balanced towards that kind of situation don't you think it would be broken if he was running perks and addons? Besides, i think he got 4K with other weak killers like Freddy. Probably because survivors made mistakes too, and that's fine, because mistakes should be punished.

So are you saying ScottJund is bad? Cause they demolished him.

Mistakes should be punished, but when you have to win entirely on your opponents mistakes, you cannot win if they play perfectly, which isn't very difficult to pull off in this game unless you face a godlike Nurse.

What? They didn't demolish me? I won.

You went 2-2 against a team of Survivors that weren't using any perks, while you were using a sweat build with Huntress on Grim Pantry.

I wouldn't call it getting demolished, that's a little facetious on my part, but you did earn the pip. I'm not sure if you rematched them when they used perks, but the fact they still 2-2'd you with no perks is evident the game is still unbalanced, especially since 2 of them pipped and one safety pipped, given what you were running and they weren't running anything.

I can guarantee if you didn't run any perks or add-ons you likely would have lost. The fact Survivors can do what they did and still come out as balance intends shows that Survivors are way too powerful. Add perks to them, and they become nearly unstoppable.

This is the match if anyone has any interest in seeing it. Marth's performance aside (who admits he was "boosted" this match), this is what SWF is capable of, and how skewed the balance truly is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cssz6aQ9Dq8

Just saying, I was the first one to pip against them and then you say "they demolished me" when I pipped on Huntress with no instathrow, Iridescent, Ruin, on Swamp of all maps. You're just basically lying at that point. Stop that.

@weirdkid5 said:

@ScottJund said:

@weirdkid5 said:

@ScottJund said:

@weirdkid5 said:

@Vietfox said:
ZeroGaiden said:

In that case, Look up Marth88's (I think its just Marth now) The dereanking squad had 0 perks and 0 items and went against Killers with the best perks rank 3 with some of the best in slot add-ons and still destroyed the killers. That alone shows the game control 100% being in survivor hands unless said survivor makes mistakes.

Gonna copy/paste what i said in the other thread:
Don't forget that the depip squad played when the game was different than it is right now AND most of the killers they faced were bad and/or made several mistakes.
Tru3 DID make important mistakes and was running one of the worst killers you can run without perks and addons in a big map. If game was balanced towards that kind of situation don't you think it would be broken if he was running perks and addons? Besides, i think he got 4K with other weak killers like Freddy. Probably because survivors made mistakes too, and that's fine, because mistakes should be punished.

So are you saying ScottJund is bad? Cause they demolished him.

Mistakes should be punished, but when you have to win entirely on your opponents mistakes, you cannot win if they play perfectly, which isn't very difficult to pull off in this game unless you face a godlike Nurse.

What? They didn't demolish me? I won.

You went 2-2 against a team of Survivors that weren't using any perks, while you were using a sweat build with Huntress on Grim Pantry.

I wouldn't call it getting demolished, that's a little facetious on my part, but you did earn the pip. I'm not sure if you rematched them when they used perks, but the fact they still 2-2'd you with no perks is evident the game is still unbalanced, especially since 2 of them pipped and one safety pipped, given what you were running and they weren't running anything.

I can guarantee if you didn't run any perks or add-ons you likely would have lost. The fact Survivors can do what they did and still come out as balance intends shows that Survivors are way too powerful. Add perks to them, and they become nearly unstoppable.

This is the match if anyone has any interest in seeing it. Marth's performance aside (who admits he was "boosted" this match), this is what SWF is capable of, and how skewed the balance truly is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cssz6aQ9Dq8

Just saying, I was the first one to pip against them and then you say "they demolished me" when I pipped on Huntress with no instathrow, Iridescent, Ruin, on Swamp of all maps. You're just basically lying at that point. Stop that.

I said "that's a little facetious on my part." Or, I guess you missed the statement where I renounced what I said before? You still ran other meta perks on top of meta Add-ons, all to 2-2 a pack of survivors with no perks.

You had BBQ, whispers, and Stridor, and Nurses, on top of running 2 extra hatchets, AND Babushka for faster charge up time.

I might go back to saying they demolished you just cause it drives home the point you still couldn't 4k a pack of no perk survivors, and you had to use a top-level build just to pull that off.

im starting to think you havent even watched the game. I didn't have stridor, I didn't have extra hatchets, and I AFK'd the last 2 minutes of the match to just stop their streak instead of 4king. Are you confusing me with someone else? You seem to have some weird dislike for me