For those who say Spirit is not S tier anymore

S-Tier killers have not so much counterplay and ignores most loops. Spirit is still strong but she is not un-counterable anymore. She has fair counters and strong add-ons. And she is highest A. I think she is okey now. But i don't think she is close to Blight or Nurse.

She has a variety of counterplay pre-nerf, and now she's been nerfed so she has even more counterplay. How is this killer still S tier to you? I have a friend who mained Spirit, and since her nerfs he really doesn't know what to do with her. "How do the devs even want people to play her?" he says.

she is not S-tier for me because I feel like I can 1vs1 spirit for long time, somewhat consistently. I'd say on average, if spirit commit to me, its like 3 gen chase on average. I'd say it is almost possible to do 5 gen chases against her. I'd say she is around average(B), but is A-tier if she uses DCB+MDR. Its certainly harder to loop her with those. There is more of guessing game with faster speed. I like playing against MDR spirit now, but I do not like DCB as much. It makes her more braindead with less mindgame potencial. I think I prefer old Stridor spirit than the add-on. Stridor, you can manipulate sounds, Killer instinct, not so much.

Few other comments I can make around tier-list.

I think doctor is underrated in his tier list because when you look all other killers in doctor's tier, They have very little chase to no chase potential. If they have any chase potencial, its pretty easy to counter them often just by dropping pallets a bit sooner etc. A lot of killer in C-tier are practically 5 gen chase possible in about 80% of maps. doctor is pretty tough to 5 gen chase. He has gameplay at every loop but he is ultimately slow at what he does. I would label killer that are slow at what they do in average tier. He wins chases, He just does not win them quickly.

I think bubba and Oni underrated/overrated killers. If you look at all b-tier killers, B-tier are able to win chases but they win chases slowly, too slow for the game standard. Oni can win chases at very good/100% consistency when he get demon form. He is likely to get 1 down if per demon form he gets assuming Oni player is good. He just get demon form slowly. very slowly. Its too slow for game tempo. Oni is suppose to slug players so he can get more value out of demon but dev punish Oni for slugging and punish for just about any action he does. While his skill-ceiling is very high, He is not reward for it at all. In modern day, I'd compare him to unrewarding blight, similar to how many players compare curving billy to unrewarding blight.

Bubba is underrated in comparison to tier list. His instant down is easily accessible unlike Oni. His skill-floor is pretty low if your entire objective is to walk someone 2 meter away and rev chainsaw for instant down and many people discredit his difficult by saying you can 4k through facecamping, but strong bubba players do not rev chainsaws within 2 meters. They rev chainsaws from 15+ meters and time their charges such that they hit the survivor on very last swing of chainsaw, perfectly timing the distance of it every single time while also taking account windows & tight curves. This gives deceptively average-high skill-ceiling.

Otz says that nemesis has fastest pallet break and that is simply not true. Bubba has fastest pallet break in the game. He breaks pallet 1 second. For comparison, A normal pallet break is 2.5 seconds. To break pallets in 1 second, That is brutal strength at 150%! Nemesis is 2.5 and he has 0.35 wind-up time. Its just nothing in comparison. He has rev for 2 seconds but as I stated above statement, bubba rev chainsaws well-advance as they curve around pallets taking into account their slowdown. The instant down capacity removes bodyblock potential, entirely skips dead hard as a perk, neutralizes effectiveness of Borrow time and overall pierces health states like butter where COH is mild time-waste.

I'd say for all intensive purposes, Bubba is most practical and most powerful instant down killer. I would switch Oni & Bubba position in tier list. He is last of good instant downs killers that the game has and if he was to change like some survivor main posts request, There would not be a single solid instant down killer choice left for killers.