Still struggling to understand the new Prove Thyself.

Each extra Survivor on a Generator all get a 10% penalty in time, Prove thyself counteracts the penalty and makes you Repair at 100% speed for everyone, so instead of 270% for 3 it would be 300%.

I think that's how it is, almost sure.

@AntiJelly said:

@Bongbingbing said:
Each extra Survivor on a Generator all get a 10% penalty in time, Prove thyself counteracts the penalty and makes you Repair at 100% speed for everyone, so instead of 270% for 3 it would be 300%.

I think that's how it is, almost sure.

It won't help if you think about it in percentages, you have to put it into the game's "charges" system.
Each survivor contributes 1 charge per second on a generator by default. Each survivor after the first decreases the charge contributions by -0.1. So two survivors on a gen both contribute 0.9. charges, for a total of 1.8 charges/second. Prove Thyself is just negating that, just removing the debuff.

So, if four survivors are on a generator without prove thyself or toolboxes, they're all contributing 0.7 charges, for a total of 2.8 charges. You then divide the base charges required to complete the action by the charges contributed. A generator takes 80 charges to complete, divided by 2.8 making it take ~28.6 seconds to complete. Prove thyself makes it so that you are always contributing one charge per second, so if all four survivors have prove thyself, they contribute a total of 4 charges. 80 divided by 4 is 20.

TL;DR, Prove Thyself makes a 4 to 8 second difference. It's not that bad.

Oh okay thank you for the explanation

So is it slower than the old leader? or faster? or is it now with the new prove thyself the same speed (for example, 2 people on a gen and one has the perk) like a normal gen(before this patch) with 2 people without any of those perks? Was the penalty there before this patch?

As you can tell I'm a bit lost here and would really appreciate it, if someone could explain that difference to me

@ChesterTheMolester said:
Neska said:

So is it slower than the old leader? or faster? or is it now with the new prove thyself the same speed (for example, 2 people on a gen and one has the perk) like a normal gen(before this patch) with 2 people without any of those perks? Was the penalty there before this patch?

As you can tell I'm a bit lost here and would really appreciate it, if someone could explain that difference to me

Leader is way faster but doesn't affect gens anymore. 

Prove Thyself only counters a nerf that was implemented a long time ago. 

Its now 10% faster no matter how many but only one can be active meaning if there are 3 people on a gen using it the total bonus will still be 10% not 30%

Oh okay, I think I got it now, thank you

@ChesterTheMolester said:
Swiftblade131 said:

All this talk...

So is it useful or not?

The BP bonus is awesome. The effect on speed is decent but not game changing.

If you use Bond and want BP you can run it. 
You get over 3x the BP for completing a full gen with someone else compared to solo.

2 Gens with someone = Max Objective Category

Hmm, I'm actually not sure how much this really affects the rush.

Normally you have 3 Survivors repairing, and 1 being chased. If all 3 Survivors do all 5 gens solo, they'll have them done in 160 seconds.

Now, let's say 2 of them work together, one solo's and the other is still being chased. The other 2 will be able to get 2 gens done in 80 seconds, whereas the last guy gets 1 done, making for 3 gens in 80 seconds, just like before.

Now, the only way you would be able to reduce time after this is to coordinate the 3 Survivors to bang out the last 2 gens all together, making it about 153 seconds for all gen repairs. If they don't work together, then the last gen still takes 80 seconds to complete solo making 160 seconds overall still.

And this doesn't include time running around finding the gen. In the end, Prove Thyself may POSSIBLY make a difference, but you really have to make sure you all work together and stay together. If you have 3 Survivors all stick together for the gens, I think the total time for all 5 gens could be reduced to about 133 seconds. This could be interesting.

@Mochan said:

@Dwight_Fairfield said:
I absolutely LOVE the buffs to Prove Thyself and Leader. Combined with Bond my Dwight is an efficiency machine. I can go around locating other survivors on gens or who are injured and get stuff done quick smart. Plus that blood points boost on Prove Thyself is really nice.

Dwight is a rare survivor where are 3 perks are really useful.

Sorry dude, but the Leader changes are a NERF. They are not a buff.

Who tags along to give buffs to someone for cleansing totems, sabotage and searching chests? These are solo actions and you being there is you twiddling your thumbs watching someone do work when you could be doing something else that's productive. And worse, you don't get any emblem or bloodpoints for it because you're, yup, not doing anything.

The only activities where leader is helpful are: group unhooks (something that needs to be done against campers), healing (which doesn't happen that often, ask that Initiation Rite sitting in your dailies how many seconds of co-op healing you've done in the past month), opening exit gates (and again you sacrifice points for opening the exit game to let someone else do it, because that's more efficient), and yes! Doing generators. Oh I forgot, leader doesn't work on generators anymore.

Leader is now a trash perk. It was already off-meta but with the introduction of Discordance and now the absolute nerf it got, it's trash.

You say tomato.....but I don't see the leader changes as anything remotely like a nerf.

Several times since the update today I've boosted healing, hex cleansing, opening exit gates, and unhooking. Its been terrific. I feel like an efficiency machine with it. That 25% boost is sublime. I couldn't care less about losing some points for opening the exit gate. If time of the essence, as it often is when the exit gates get powered, I would rather get those gates open 25% faster, get my 5k escape points, and the rest of my team out.

Discordance was never a significant threat to Leader either. For the killers I have come across who do run it, rarely have I been chased off gens with another survivor. Except when you're down to the last two. But now that is no longer an issue for Leader, so happy days.

But you know that saying; one man's trash is another man's treasure. I'll be keeping my killer Leader/Prove Thyself/Bond combo. Because its been awesome so far. The bloodpoints from PT are just the icing on the cake.