Killer Hexes vs Survivors Boons

Well, that's not quite true, is it?

Boons don't always give you the value. If you leave the 24m radius, it stops giving you literally any value at all; there's no spot on the map you could stand where your Hex would be disabled.

Since we're talking about Boons and not CoH specifically, let's also take a look at the strength tradeoffs in exchange for being able to set it back up again- an act that eats away at time you could be spending on generators, for the record.

Now, we do have some weak hexes, there's no denying that, but the idea is for a big impact that survivors are compelled to try and turn off, whereas boons are supposed to provide more minor buffs in a limited area in exchange for being able to be relit. We're going to discard CoH here since we're looking at all boons and CoH is clearly its own problem, and so... yeah, they actually do seem fair. Shadow Step is clearly the strongest one, and even that only gives you an edge. It's nowhere near as impactful as Devour Hope or Ruin, and that's the strongest of the three. The other two provide their own benefits, they're not useless, but they're nowhere near as strong as the average hex.

I swear, there should be a banner at the top of the forum that says "Before you post about Boons, stop and consider if you actually just mean CoH".

For me, Plaything + Pentimento buy much more time than Ruin + Undying.

I really thing Hex overall should be reworked to work similar to Plaything.

1 is high risk, little reward. The other is no risk, little to high reward.

I snuffed out the same boon 6 times tonight in 1 match, luckily it was near my 3 gen so it wasn't too out the way, but the fact that it can be put in the same totem 6 times is a joke.

I think a good compromise would be to make the player placing the boon totem unable to keep going back to the same location. They aren't really strong enough to be one time use, but too strong to be used multiple times. Make survivors work for it and have them search and rotate to new locations. Allow them to cycle back to the first boon location only after they have placed it on another 2 totems.

COH needs reworked its way too strong. Give it a one time use per survivor per blessing.

Boon location should only be visible to the person placing the totem. Other survivors should actively have to look for the area and remember the location instead of just looking for the glowing totem on the map the same way as a killer has to make a mental note where the location is when he first finds the boon. They get a audio queue anyway so they know that one has been placed.

I second this. Got all 5 stacks my first time playing artist because I was hashtag blessed with the bloodweb giving her Plaything.

I prefer shadow step over CoH most times, but as someone who uses boons i think I sometimes waste too much time looking for totems to boon when I could be doing gens, same when they get cleansed and u need to go back or find another one.

Sometimes I dont boon at all cause I waste time doing them

lol i got tunneled by a spirit that saw i had shadow step, the game was obviously harder for her cause she couldnt see our scratchmarks, it was funny, not even mad i probably would've done the same, I used to main spirit lol

If Hex perks are considered strong in the devs book, then what are boons?

That screenshot explains it right there- hexes are meant to be strong perks that can be destroyed. Boons aren't.

Old Undying isn't comparable even to CoH, they're different problems.

Shadow Step is only really gonna make you lose a chase on like, one of maybe three maps, and in those situations you absolutely do want to snuff it. I still wouldn't say need, there's too many variables to say that you always need to snuff it, but you're probably going to want to.

I never said the other boons are useless. I said they aren't overpowered, because they're not. They all give the survivors an edge, but except for CoH none of them give so much of an edge that you absolutely have to snuff it; you can chase without scratch marks, you can avoid slugging, you can... just play normally, Dark Theory kind of is useless.

You're fully aware I meant that boons aren't designed around being destroyed.

Killers cant see the chime we only hear it.

It's because while you were cleansing all four of those totems, the strong hex perk - let's face it, probably Ruin - was still up and active. After you snuff a totem, it is then inactive until set up again- all this assuming that the comparison even works on its face, which it obviously doesn't because boons and hexes are not the same mechanic and do not work the same way.

Are boons really significantly stronger than hexes? Can you argue in favour of that without mentioning CoH? Because the other boons are designed around being infinitely relit, from having an effective range both the survivor and the killer needs to be inside to having more subdued effects than the average hex.

I'm not here to argue whether old Undying or old Ruin were better than their modern equivalents, I'm just pointing out the obvious logical answer to the question you posed. You can agree or disagree with it, it's no skin off my nose, the more relevant part is that boons and hexes aren't directly comparable anyway.

I've seen that video. First of all, CoH was in that video and it did the majority of the heavy lifting when it comes to the value the perks brought to the table, and the majority of the value his team received in that video was being coordinated, skilled players on comms, not having all boons. If a team of randoms, or even just a less skilled SWF, tried that tactic they'd see dramatically less value out of it.

Why would I need to say those perks are strong? That's not what I'm arguing. The more pressing concern is if I'd say that Dark Theory, Exponential, and Shadow Step are significantly stronger than those perks, and for the most part, I would say no. Shadow Step is about comparable to the strongest ones on that list, it's definitely the strongest fair boon perk, but the other two are by no means stronger than pretty much any of those perks except maybe Third Seal or Lullaby.

That wasn't my point in mentioning that they're a SWF. My point is that they would've gotten almost exactly the same value out of general meta perks and a good medkit, with the sole exception that Exponential gave them a couple extra pickups, because most of what they did in that video was achieved with skilled play and good callouts. There's also the point that we don't know how those killers played and if they bothered to snuff the totems at all, so it's a slightly shaky piece of proof that boons are OP on all counts.

Yes, all of those boons could be present four times at the same time. That doesn't really change anything since they're still balanced around being infinitely relit, meaning that they're still more subdued than the average hex effect. In fact, it's honestly a little better for you if more than one person is bringing boons (assuming as we are that it isn't CoH) since it means you can eke slowdown out of everyone, not just the dedicated totem jockey.

I'm not here to argue the hex point, though for the record I agree that they need a little tuning. I've got my own ideas for how to fix it, but that's not relevant to this discussion.

By reading the comments it is nice to see that people at least are coming to terms that boons are perfectly fine and that CoH is just extremely overtuned. In fact, if CoH just didn't exist I bet there would be loads of posts complaining that boons are awful lol

Boons are strong perks. Only one of them is busted. Theres no doubt in that.

Now in regard on their power rating against Hexes, i´d wish they´d switch spaces just for a week. So survivors can see how bad it is to lose a perk within the first 60 seconds.